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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #35 - 11/16/10 at 21:04:49
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FWIW, Rogozenko in 'Anti-Sicilians: A Guide for Black' includes a chapter on answering 4.Qd4. True, White has played 3.d4, but 4.Qd4 is clearly aimed to avoid the main lines of the Sicilian and therefore should be classified as an Anti-Sicilian.

5.Bd3 and 5.f3 are more of a grey area since they avoid the Sicilian main lines but still lead to positions with a strong resemblance to the Maroczy Bind.
  

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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #34 - 11/16/10 at 17:32:07
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TN wrote on 11/16/10 at 08:06:00:
This should be in Anti-Sicilians because the Open Sicilian occurs after 3.d4 cd4 4.Nd4 (...)

Another Anti-Sicilian 4.Nd4 Nf6 5.Bb5. (...) Ditto for 5.Bd3.



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Maybe it's just poor me, but I'm getting confused. After reading your text over and again, I dare say that you seem to get confused as well... Wink.

A classifying sytem like used in ECO has its merits. 2.Nf3 and 3.d4 = open Sicilian, main lines and side lines. Simple.

Huh Come to think of it, that's why I had such a hard time finding something here on my pet line 4.Qd4. Which, I hasten to add, has a somewhat larger pedigree then the open Sicilians (?!) you mentioned. Striving for a classic Maroczy setup like I discribed, an anti-Sicilian?   Shocked
Ok by me, after all the only "Sicilian" setup for white is 1.c4... Grin


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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #33 - 11/16/10 at 08:06:00
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This should be in Anti-Sicilians because the Open Sicilian occurs after 3.d4 cd4 4.Nd4 followed by Nc3, and 4.Qd4 is a way of avoiding the main lines such as the Najdorf, Scheveningen, Dragon and Classical.

Another Anti-Sicilian that is tricky without any real theory is 4.Nd4 Nf6 5.Bb5 Nbd7 6.0-0. Taking the e4-pawn is bad, but Black equalises easily with reasonable developing moves. Ditto for 5.Bd3.

Edit: Minor connection.
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #32 - 11/15/10 at 23:34:56
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It's been a while,  Roll Eyes, but I'd like to comment on the earlier mentioned 7.c4 f5!? sequence. I finally decided to dance around that problem with the following ideas:
1) After 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd 4.Qd4 Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 there's also the immediate 6.Dd3 (a move white has to make sooner or later), and only later c2-c4. Works great for me in practice.
2) There's also 5.Bc6 Bc6 6. 0-0 Nf6 7.Re1, with later c2-c4.
3) Aware black players do well to flick in 3...Nf6. No remedy for that! If you don't like 4.Nc3 (I do) , 4.Bb5+ Bd7 5.Bd7+ Nfd7 (ECO) and 6.d5 has always struck me as looking kind of nice. There's maybe even a game of chess in 5.Qd3. Fits in nicely with the line under 1).
Not that White has something , objectively, here, or under 1) or 2). He just has his game on the board and a lot free time gained with not having to study how to survive after 4.Nd4., as well as having some more time on the clock and a frustrated Dragonist or Najdorfgeek in front of you. Enjoy!

Someone mentioned (3...cd 4.Qd4 Nf6) as a good possibility; I agree, but I'd like to add a move that wasn't mentioned, I believe : White can go 5.Bb5+ here with a possible 5...Bd7 (5....Nc6 is transposing; 5....Nbd7 is 3.Bb5+) 6.c4!?.

Just my thoughts on this. If you decide to go anti-Sicilian, read up on anti-anti-Sicilian literature on go anti-anti-anti-Sicilian!
  
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Reply #31 - 08/14/05 at 02:02:58
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My teacher (who is a strong IM) told me that the only time an early c4 is called on is when Black retakes on c6 with the b-pawn.  Then White creates a Maroczy-Bind type position with the added benefit of Black having to spend another move to play ...c5.  One may argue that the pawn on c6 benefits Black because it somewhat neutralizes the "hole" on d5, but since Black will, most of the time, fianchetto the KB, the pawn on c6 contributes better to controlling/influencing the center (or d4 at any rate) if it is on c5.

What do y'all think?


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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #30 - 03/27/05 at 22:36:15
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I haven't checked  this message for a long time, so my apologies, Glenn, for the seeming neglect.  I was referring to WHITE playing Bxc6, not Black.  When black takes back with the b-pawn, he/she has to spend another move putting  the c6-pawn on c5, if that is his/her plan.  That's all I was trying to say.  Again, I am not nearly presumptuous enough to think I know as much as others do who are stronger players, but  I can only come from my level of understanding, and as a US Class B player, it's probably lower than yours...   Wink
  
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Reply #29 - 12/19/04 at 11:21:36
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Then White creates a Maroczy-Bind type position with the added benefit of Black having to spend another move to play ...c5.  bckm


I don't understand this comment.  First of all does Black really want to play ...c5?  Secondly, I don't understand the "another move" part. In the ...Bxc6 variation, Black can't play ...c5 at all.
  
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #28 - 11/23/04 at 11:43:12
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My teacher (who is a strong IM) told me that the only time an early c4 is called on is when Black retakes on c6 with the b-pawn.  Then White creates a Maroczy-Bind type position with the added benefit of Black having to spend another move to play ...c5.  One may argue that the pawn on c6 benefits Black because it somewhat neutralizes the "hole" on d5, but since Black will, most of the time, fianchetto the KB, the pawn on c6 contributes better to controlling/influencing the center (or d4 at any rate) if it is on c5.

What do y'all think?
  
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #27 - 09/17/04 at 15:45:56
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Thus we may conclude, that 7.c4 is unattractive because of f5!
  

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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #26 - 09/17/04 at 03:52:08
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I guess I'd agree that the position is equal; I hadn't really been looking at variations, but figured that after b3, Qf5 would keep White occupied long enough for Black to arrange some kind of b5/d5 break.  But it doesn't seem all that easy to arrange, and play might instead continue 12. b3 Qf5 13. Re1 13...Be7 (not 13...Ng4 as 14. Qe2 e3 15. f3 is strong). 14.Ngxe4 Nxe4 15.Nxe4 0-0 16.f3 Qg6

Black doesn't have anything immediate, but can poke around on the f-file, and still has the potential to do something on the queenside.  On the other hand, d6 will eventually be a target.

Alternatively, in Dzhumaev-Laxman (with 11....Be7 12.Ngxe4 Nxe4 13.Nxe4 0-0) 14.b3 should be met by 14...d5 immediately; White has some problems coordinating if he takes the pawn, and if 15.Rd1 d4 seems nice for Black.  So instead white should use move 14 to prevent d5; Rd1 or Nc3 both work.

All things considered, I still prefer Qc8, though perhaps the alternatives deserve a closer look.  I think Black has a nice game, but maybe no more than equality.  That's about the most one can ask for, I guess.
  
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Reply #25 - 09/16/04 at 20:25:36
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In Dzhumaev-Gallego Jimenez, 2000, 12.b3 looks equal to me.
  

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Reply #24 - 09/16/04 at 20:24:44
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In Dzhumaev-Gallego Jimenez, 2000, 12.b3 looks equal to me.
  

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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #23 - 09/13/04 at 18:18:19
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Ok I see the problem now. If white continues (4.Qxd4 Bd7) 5.c4 Nc6 6.Qd2 g6 etc, black would like to play Bg4 soon and exchange, to get some darksquare control as Rogozenko recommends. In this particular line, it is better to have played 4....a6 instead of 4...Bd7.
  
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #22 - 09/13/04 at 17:49:46
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Hi guys!

I recently came home from a tournament where I faced this "unusual" variation not once, but twice! And both times I had already written Nxd4 on the scoresheet only to see the opponent take the pawn with the damned queen!

Through time I have dabbled in many different lines against various Anti-Sicilian lines including the Nc6 and f5 lines discussed here, but now I'm trying to follow Rogozenko's book so that I can master certain lines. To this end, I replied 4...a6 in both games.

But as somebody noted earlier in this forum, why not play 4...Bd7 instead if you're gonna play Nc6 later anyway? I don't see any disadvantage with this move at all, regardless of how white treats the position (with 5.Be3 Nc6 Qd2 for example, or with 5.c4)

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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #21 - 08/20/04 at 15:08:51
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4.Qxd4 Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6.Bxc6 Bxc6 7.c4 f5 8. Nc3 fxe4 9.Ng5 e5 10.Qe3 Nf6 11.0-0 and now I think that 11...Qc8 is the best continuation for Black, and the critical line for this variation.

One point of this move order is that White cannot take on e4 immediately as 12. Ngxe4 Bxe4! 13.Nxe4 Qxc4 (Dzhumaev-Gallego  Jimenez, 2000).  Black managed to lose that, but was certainly better out of the opening.

Of course, playing Be7 is not bad, and Black had to work hard to lose in the game you cited.  Qd7 has also been tried, but I do not think it is as strong as Qc8.

I certainly prefer Black's chances after 11...Qc8.  White needs some new ideas here, or more likely, earlier in the line.
  
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #20 - 08/20/04 at 04:22:01
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<An amusing line runs 10.Qe3 Nf6 11.0-0 Be7 12. Ne6 Qd7 [ok Qc8 is much better here but just watch] 13. Qh3 Qxe6! 14. Qxe6 Bd7 and the queen is trapped.  Obviously this is not best play, but cute.>
That is probably why Dzhumaev preferred 12.Ngxe4 (see above). It is a pity, that nobody has commented on this game until now. Is it right, to conclude that this game is critical for the 7.c4 line?
  

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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #19 - 08/19/04 at 17:49:36
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After looking at the ...f5 lines, I'm pretty impressed.  I think black is equalizing in the lines given.  It seems like a good practical choice - White aims for a bind and ends up with no central control.  After (4.Qxd4 Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6.Bxc6 Bxc6 7.c4 f5) 8. Nc3 fxe4 9.Ng5 e5 and Black continues with Nf6, Be7 and ideas of b5 and d5.  I don't really see a plan for White.  An amusing line runs 10.Qe3 Nf6 11.0-0 Be7 12. Ne6 Qd7 [ok Qc8 is much better here but just watch] 13. Qh3 Qxe6! 14. Qxe6 Bd7 and the queen is trapped.  Obviously this is not best play, but cute.

Just another brief comment on one of Losetowin's lines: after 4...Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6.Bxc6 Bxc6  7 Nc3 Nf6 8.Bg5 e6 9.o-o-o Be7 10.Rhe1 o-o 11. e5!? dxe5 12 Qh4 Qc7 13.Nxe5 Rc8? 14. Ng4! (all Losetowin's annotations)

This doesn't seem like much of a trap; after 14...Nd5 I don't see a winning plan for white.  For example, 15. Rxd5 (the only critical try) f6! 16. Bxf6 Rxf6 and Black has a nice initiative and will likely end up better, for example 17.Rd3 Rg6 18.Qh3 Qf4 19. Ne3 Bb4.
  
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #18 - 08/15/04 at 20:56:30
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Wow, as the original poster of the topic, I'm flattered that my little line has ascended into the realm of theoretical physics and statistical analyses... I'm just a plain ol' college dropout who majored in music and whose greatest claim to fame is a coherent idea or two in the approximately 30 years I've played chess...  Wink

Since I posted the original question, I've played Qxd4 a few more times.  In my humble experience (around USCF 1700 rating), I tend to beat the weaker players and lose to the stronger ones.  So I suspect that Qxd4 is pretty much the same as most other opening lines: the player who understands it better will have the better chances.
  
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #17 - 04/14/04 at 17:59:34
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Of course I agree with Unluckie's comments on statistics - only why do you prefer publicly available data?
I have to admit that I only have done a superficial research of the position after 7.c4 f5. But I hoped that Unlucky would come with some interesting idea - I immediately would consider seriously to add the Bb5 systems to my repertoire. I have even made a suggestion!
Remember Unlucky, that you in your first post admitted to have abandoned this system exactly because of this line. The logical conclusion is, that White should play 7.Nc3. That was my whole point. But again, I would be glad if someone can convince me that I am wrong.
  

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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #16 - 04/14/04 at 04:02:57
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MNb, my PhD in Theoretical Physics and subsequent research has taught me one important lesson: sometimes there's just no point in trying to "understand" statistics...!

My "data" is not statistically significant, but for the record this is where I found it (I prefer to use publically available data!):

www.chesslive.de, position after 1.e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4 Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6. Bxc6 Bxc6 7.c4 f5.

A search on this position within this database with criteria White >=2400 and Black 2400 yields 3 games: Turov - Vaulin 1998, 1-0; Hasangatin - S.Ivanov 2001, 0.5; Belikov - Solovjov 2002 1-0. Widening the search to White >=2300 and Black >=2300 yields 7 games with White scoring 4/7 (57%).

Now, none of this is of any statistical interest to me! The validity of the data, the grades, the search criteria, the size of the database etc. is not the issue, and I'm sure you have access to a bigger and better database. What is interesting is that both Belikov and Dzhumaev both got good results as White. I haven't looked at the games yet in detail to see whether these results had anything to do with the opening. Was Dzhumaev's win the result of a big edge from the opening?

I suspect most of us are guilty of basing opening evaluations on the result of a game. John Emms makes an interesting comment in his book on the Open Games for Black, that often our view of an opening variation is based on a single experience with it. A bad experience can make us lose confidence in an opening. I've had one bad experience in the 7...f5 variation, but perhaps the games we've identified above indicate that White has reasonable prospects. The point I was trying to make in my previous post is that the recent games with this line seem to suggest there is no theoretical reason for White to fear this kine more than other lines in the 4.Qxd4 variation, and no reason to avoid it with 7.Nc3 rather than 7.c4.
  
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #15 - 04/13/04 at 17:28:25
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Dzhumaev,M (2498) - Laxman,R (2335) [B53]
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1.e4 c5 2.Pf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Dxd4 Pc6 5.Lb5 Ld7 6.Lxc6 Lxc6 7.c4 f5 8.Pc3 fxe4 9.Pg5 e5 10.De3 Pf6 11.0-0 Le7 12.Pgxe4 Pxe4 13.Pxe4 0-0 14.b3 De8 15.La3 Dg6 16.f3 Tf4 17.Tad1 Taf8 18.Pg3 b6 19.Dd3 Df7 20.Db1 d5 21.Lxe7 Dxe7 22.cxd5 Dc5+ 23.Tf2 Lxd5 24.Dc2 Td4 25.Te1 Te8 26.Dxc5 bxc5 27.Pf5 Tf4 28.Td2 Lc6 29.Pd6 Te6 30.Pc4 e4 31.Te3 Tf8 32.Td1 Tfe8 33.Td6 Txd6 34.Pxd6 Te6 35.Pxe4 Ld5 36.Tc3 Lxe4 37.fxe4 Txe4 38.Txc5 Te7 39.Ta5 Tc7 40.Kf2 Kf7 41.Ta6 Ke7 42.Ke3 Kd7 43.Ta4 Ke6 44.Ke4 Td7 45.Ta6+ Kf7 46.h4 h5 47.b4 Te7+ 48.Kd5 Td7+ 49.Kc5 Ke7 50.a4 Tc7+ 51.Tc6 Td7 52.a5 Kf7 53.b5 Ke7 54.a6 Kf7 55.b6 axb6+ 56.Kxb6 Td2 1-0

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Both players >2400: +2, =2, -2 score 50%.
Both players >2300: +5, =4, -9 score 39%.
Both players >2200: +11, =9, -15 score 44%.
Being a teacher in mathematics and physics, I simply do not understand that healthy 60%.
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #14 - 04/13/04 at 07:41:03
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Well I'm a mathematician by training so I certainly wasn't intending to demonstrate a statistical edge for White from a three game sample!!! Personally I believe statistics from large databases are over-rated in terms of providing information about the strength of opening variations.  Up to at least 2200+ I think the absolute strength of any particular opening variation is not the most significant control on the result of the game. (I hope that statement doesn't get me banned from ChessPublishing.com!)

What I was trying to say is that in games between players each graded over 2400, White has done OK. I chose this arbitrary cut-off grading because I think that someone graded >2400 who plays the Sicilian against another 2400+ is likely to be quite well prepared!

I don't know of a particularly good line for white, however both (4.Qxd4 Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6.Bxc6 Bxc6 7.c4 f5) 8. Nc3 fxe4 9.Ng5 and 8. exf5 Qa5 seem to lead to interesting unbalanced positions. Does anyone know of any recent "theoretical" games in either of these lines? If not I'll browse chessbase once more...
  
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #13 - 04/13/04 at 06:10:16
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I agree with MNb. To use statistics with such a small collection of games are hopeless. Probably no black player has really prepared at home to face the 7 c4-line. There are too many important lines in sicilian, so its unlikely anyone would waste time figuring out all the ideas in the variations anfter 7.c4, I agree that such a line is good for white if he want to better prepared than opponent. Personally i have played the 3 Qxd4 line twice in serious play and both where easy wins since black only had vague ideas about the opening. I won because i was more accustomed after lots of blitz playing to the seldomplayed positions.
  
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Reply #12 - 04/11/04 at 19:58:13
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Statistics is a dangerous subject. My private database shows a mediocre 45 % after 7.c4 f5.
But I would be glad if Unlucky or someone else could give a good line for White in this variation. Maybe 8.Nc3 fxe4 9.Ng5 is not too bad.
  

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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #11 - 04/09/04 at 17:29:45
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In defence of 7.c4 (after 4.Qxd4 Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6.Bxc6 Bxc6), I note that on chessbase's public database White's scoring a very healthy 60%+ after 7...f5 between players of 2300 or higher, and 2.5/3 between players of 2400+. Not a representative sample admittedly, but evidence that the position is still OK for White. The problem with it from my point of view is that it's a very different position from those that arise from other lines of the 4.Qxd4 variation.

On the other hand I don't have much enthusiasm for White's position after 7.Nc3. White has a slight initiative but the position is probably quite congenial for Black if s/he likes open Sicilian positions. Just as bad, I think it's objectively level too.

So whilst I agree with MNb and Alumbrado that 7.c4 f5 is one of the better lines at Black's disposal, I don't think it's sufficient reason to recommend 7.Nc3 for White. 7. c4 gives White at least equality in an unusual position in which Black needs to be confident of theory. 7.Nc3 leaves an equal, fairly bland Open Sicilian-type position in which Black can do well simply by playing natural moves. At least that was my conclusion when I first looked at these lines 20 odd years ago, and I don't think much has changed to cheer White up about 7.Nc3!
  
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Reply #10 - 04/06/04 at 18:02:54
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In the Baker/Losetowin line, 13.Nxe5 Rfd8 and 13...h6 14.Bxh6 Ne4 15.Qh5 both resulted in draw, Vasjukov-Tal, Baku 1973 and Gipslis-Tukmakov, URS 1972.
  

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Reply #9 - 04/06/04 at 10:33:31
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I have also played 4. Qxd4 a lot, but now only uses it for none-sicilian experts since its unlikely that they know the theory intimately. With best play it should give equality. The most annyoing line for me have been the answer 4 ...Nf6 which i used on Bakers recommnedation to answer with 5 e5 . It forces an endgame that are only equal. On 5 Nc3 black can play ...Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd7 7 Bxc6 bxc6 when white pawn cant reach c4 ! It seems 5 Bb5+ is the only alternative but then i guess black can answer with Bd7 and white queen cant stay on d4 for long.
The mainline seems in my (subjective) opinion more interesting, since although its equal here as well, there  still are interesting middlegameplay left .The line Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6.Bxc6 Bxc6  7 Nc3   Nf6 8.Bg5 e6 9.o-o-o Be7 10.Rhe1 o-o 11. e5!? dxe5 12 Qh4 Qc7 was recommended by Baker. and as everything else it only gives equality, but there are some traps and sharp play left.  For example after the natural rookmove 13 Nxe5 Rc8?, white wins with 14 Ng4!.
  
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #8 - 04/06/04 at 03:22:49
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White should definitely meet (1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4 Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6.Bxc6) 6...Bxc6 with 7.Nc3!

This approach is also advocated by Murray Chandler in his "Bashing the Sicilian with Bb5" video (he recommends this line for White after either 2...d6 3.Bb5+ Nc6 4.d4 or 2...Nc6 3.Bb5 d6 4.d4).

I am not so sure Black can claim full equality in the line given by MNb.  Undecided
  

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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #7 - 04/05/04 at 18:04:54
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If it was not for 7...f5 I would love to play 7.c4. But 7...f5 seems so strong, that 7.Nc3 is best, when Nf6 8.Bg5 e6 9.o-o-o Be7 10.Rhe1 o-o 11.Kb1 Qc7 12.Qd2 gives equality. The main objection from Black's point of view, is that White can force a draw at several stages by winning the d6-pawn.
  

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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #6 - 04/05/04 at 15:48:32
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Perhaps it's a bit late to add to this discussion...in case it isn't, I've been playing 4.Qxd4 for over 25 years (! is it really that long?), initially as a way to avoid theory and lately as a surprise weapon against "strong" players ("strong" to me is >2000ish). I've exclusively played lines with c4 when I can get this in (as opposed to Chris Baker's recommendation of lines based on quick development with Nc3). Usual Black replies are 4...Nc6, 4...a6, and even 4...e5 (though not many opponents have got away with this flagrant disregard of classical principles!).

The most usual and probably best is 4...Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6.Bxc6. Now some surprisingly good players (most recently a c.2200) have played 6...bxc6 which imo is ?!, and I think Black is struggling after 7.c4.

Otherwise, 6...Bxc6 7.c4 (Baker prefers 7.Nc3 aiming for quick development and Q-side castling, which is also OK) and Black generally chooses 7...g6 with an Accelerated Dragon style position. I think this line works OK for white because if Black's usually a (say) Nadorf player, he's unlikely to be happy in this type of position (he's probably windering how to launch his usual minority attack with a pawn on c4!). Some less experienced players have tried ...e6 (and even ...e5?!) when again I think white is slightly better due to the "weakness" on d6 and control of b5 and d5. Generally in this type of position white builds up slowly with moves like b3, a4, Qd2, Nd4, f3 etc and waits for Black to self destruct.

The reason I lost enthusiasm for the line was when a c.230 BCF annihilated me with 7...f5!? a few years ago, which apparently is an old recommendation from BCO. If anyone has a good response to this please post it and I may take the variation up once more!
  
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #5 - 09/29/03 at 00:17:28
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I know White's playing 3.d4, but isn't this really an Anti-Sicilian system?  Not trying to be too picky, just curious.
  
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Reply #4 - 08/21/03 at 04:27:54
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Chris Baker's book 'A Startling Opening Repetoire' recommends this for White. I think that the best moves that he gives are already recommended in this forum, but it provides very good coverage of what to do as White and Black.  Grin
  
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #3 - 08/16/03 at 15:48:28
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Smiley  I don't play this stuff with either colour - but isn't 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 Nf6 a move-order trick to lessen the effect of the Qxd4 line eg after 4 Nc3 cd white will not be able to play the bind in Maroczy style !?
  
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #2 - 08/11/03 at 03:54:53
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I think better is 4..Bd7 to gain a tempo attacking the queen with 5..Nc6 as white cannot pin the knight anymore.
  
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Re: Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
Reply #1 - 07/03/03 at 07:06:46
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I play 4.Nxd4 but if you want to avoid the Najdorf 4.Qxd4 is a try.  The problem is if your opponent is smart he might not play the Naidorf.  He might play 4...a6, but just to prevent the bishop pin.  I think if you learn the English Attack well you can beat the Najdorf. Roll Eyes
  
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Sicilian with 4.Qxd4
06/23/03 at 19:50:47
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1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd 4.Qxd4 - anybody here play this for White?  If so, what responses do you typically run across, how do you fare with this line, and is it suitable for a mainline weapon against the Najdorf?

Thanks for your input!  Smiley
  
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