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Re: C50: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #19 - 08/03/14 at 16:44:32
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In that Yearbook article from last year, Jeroen Bosch (a Dutch IM) thought that the compensation after 6. Bd3 is "barely sufficient" and that White should avoid it, that 6. Be2 is preferable and should be dynamically equal, that 6. Qxd4 should be equal and 5. Nxd4 should indeed be slightly better for White.
  
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Re: C50: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #18 - 08/03/14 at 16:12:26
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Indeed, I think White's best after 4...exd4 5.c3 Na5 is to persist in sacrificing a pawn for compensation after 6.Bd3.  It may not be enough for a theoretical advantage but I rather like White's practical chances and the compensation should be at least sufficient. 

5...dxc3 is dubious because as well as the 6.Qd5 line (after 6...Nh6 7.Bxh6 0-0, both 8.Bxg7 and 8.Nxc3 are slightly better for White), White also gets the upper hand after 6.Nxc3 because if 6...d6 (otherwise 7.e5 follows) 7.Qb3 leaves Black unable to defend f7 and 7...Na5 8.Bxf7+ Kf8 9.Qa4 is slightly better for White as Black's bishop-pair does not fully compensate for the misplaced king and lagging development.

In addition I believe that White can get a small advantage due to the better development/central control with the simple 5.Nxd4.
  
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Re: C50: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #17 - 08/03/14 at 13:12:20
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The Hungarian featured in the last round of the British Championships in the game between Howell and Hebden. This started 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Be7 4. d4 d6 5. dxe5 dxe5 and now instead of the Queen exchange, Howell played the rare 6. Nbd2 and later won a good game.

I prefer to avoid this with 4. .. exd4. I wonder what Hebden has found in the queen exchange variation as I've usually suffered in the resulting position.

Andrew Martin's comments can be found at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3bsZs0IZiLc
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Re: C50: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #16 - 04/22/14 at 13:31:47
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JediKnight has analyzed the line here:

http://tws27.50webs.com/chess/scotch_gambit/minormoves.htm
  

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Re: C50: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #15 - 04/22/14 at 03:57:23
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RdC wrote on 04/22/14 at 00:58:15:
5. c3 can be dangerous , tempting 5. .. dxc3 6. Qd5 Nh6 7. Bxh6 0-0. This doesn't win a piece without compensation, since if 8. Bc1, then 8. .. Nb4 gives dangerous counter-play. Returning the piece with 8. Bxg7 is likely to be the best try.

But there's an alternative with 5. .. Na5 . White then has the choice of whether to concede the Bishop pair with 6. Qxd4 or a pawn with 6. Be2/d3 dxc3.

(There was some analysis of this in the quarterly NIC Yearbook)


Indeed; I noticed that article.
Incidentally those possibilities have come up here before -- hasn't everything?  Smiley

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1201297346/21
  
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Re: C50: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #14 - 04/22/14 at 00:58:15
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kylemeister wrote on 07/17/12 at 15:20:31:
(though Black can determine the type of position by 4...ed, whereupon White should just play 5. Nxd4 rather than 5. c3).


5. c3 can be dangerous , tempting 5. .. dxc3 6. Qd5 Nh6 7. Bxh6 0-0. This doesn't win a piece without compensation, since if 8. Bc1, then 8. .. Nb4 gives dangerous counter-play. Returning the piece with 8. Bxg7 is likely to be the best try.

But there's an alternative with 5. .. Na5 . White then has the choice of whether to concede the Bishop pair with 6. Qxd4 or a pawn with 6. Be2/d3 dxc3.

(There was some analysis of this in the quarterly NIC Yearbook)
  
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Re: C50: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #13 - 07/17/12 at 15:20:31
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I'm always reminded of Hort playing it a few decades ago.  I take the standard view to be that it should be +=, and in the case of the main line 4. d4 d6 in several ways, with White being able to choose among different position types (though Black can determine the type of position by 4...ed, whereupon White should just play 5. Nxd4 rather than 5. c3).
  
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Re: C50: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #12 - 07/17/12 at 09:20:45
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ghenghisclown wrote on 07/17/12 at 08:57:23:
So what is the opinion that most of you have on 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Be7  ..?

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Re: C50: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #11 - 07/17/12 at 08:57:23
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So what is the opinion that most of you have on 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Be7  ..?
  

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Re: C50: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #10 - 07/11/12 at 01:20:29
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I believe that the white square bishop does not belong on g4 in the Hungarian defense.

I find that it's most efficient job is to put direct pressure on e4 from c6 or b7 and then to eventually transfer to the Kingside (f5 or g6) to later pressure the central light squares and sometimes invade the enemy camp on d3 or c2.. Trading it for the Nf3 is usually a strategic mistake.

An under rated defense at mortal levels. (below 2400)
  
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Re: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #9 - 02/21/11 at 03:45:02
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Re: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #8 - 09/06/05 at 17:25:21
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The aljechin-game is:
4.c3,Bg4 5.Qb3,Qd7?! 6.Ng5,Nh6 7.Nxf7,Nxf7 8.Bxf7,Qxf7
9.Qxb7,Kd7!! 10.Qxa8,Qc4 Rodzynsky-Aljechin 1913
That's why its sometimes referred to as the Aljechin-variation
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Re: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #7 - 09/06/05 at 16:30:06
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3.Bc4 d6 4.d4 also promises an edge: Be7 5.o-o or 5.Nc3 is the Hungarian and Bg4 is answered with 5.h3.
  

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Re: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #6 - 09/06/05 at 13:06:37
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book recommendation is (usually with c3 before d4)
6 Be3 Nf6 7 Qb3 Nd8 8 Nbd2 g6 10 dxe5 with the idea a4-a5.
I had this variation once on the board (that was what I was looking up) he played 6 Bxf3 gxf3 (probably queen is better) 7 Nf6 Qb3 and black was defending for a lot of moves, though he got a draw.
  

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Re: Hungarian(?) Defense
Reply #5 - 09/06/05 at 10:57:48
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I'll look it up for you. Iirc it should be relatively easy to obtain an advantage, but I am not going to suggest anything without book and board at the ready.

PS it is called Alekhine variation in most Giuco books or they just refer to Alekhine having played it.
  

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