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Re: C30-C39 C33: The Fascinating King's Gambit
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Re: C30-C39 C33: The Fascinating King's Gambit
Reply #260 - 12/11/15 at 00:09:50
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Brackmar wrote on 12/10/15 at 01:09:41:
In 'The fascinating King's gambit' T. Johansson wrote: 'unfortunately modern computers soon came up with some strong improvements for black, in the theoretical main line, i.e. the Kieseritzky Gambit. These new ideas are almost certainly the reason why the King's Gambit has almost vanished from grandmaster practise the last few years'

I haven't found much information about these improvements, could someone please give a hint about where I should search?

Thanks.


Especially 5...d6 seemed to almost force a draw, but also 5...Nf6 or even 5...Be7 seemed problematic too, IIRC...

I think we debated these ad nauseam here back in the day - try googling the forum like this:
https://www.google.se/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=site...

or simply use the index and explore:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?board=Kgambit


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Re: C30-C39 C33: The Fascinating King's Gambit
Reply #259 - 12/10/15 at 01:09:41
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In 'The fascinating King's gambit' T. Johansson wrote: 'unfortunately modern computers soon came up with some strong improvements for black, in the theoretical main line, i.e. the Kieseritzky Gambit. These new ideas are almost certainly the reason why the King's Gambit has almost vanished from grandmaster practise the last few years'

I haven't found much information about these improvements, could someone please give a hint about where I should search?

Thanks.
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Re: C30-C39 C33: The Fascinating King's Gambit
Reply #258 - 03/21/15 at 11:35:14
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Knightcut wrote on 03/21/15 at 09:43:34:
Thus, so far my conclusion is that 3...c6 probably doesn't yield Black better chances than 3...Nf6. It is still interesting though that it scores better and seems to have a higher average rating amongst it's followers, at least in my database. I may have to buy Johanssons book to get deeper into it.


By the way, in case you missed it in this looong thread, maybe I should mention that the TJ in TalJechin stands for the initials of the author, i.e. I'm him! Wink

I don't think I mention 3...c6 followed by 4/5...b5 in the book - so, some may  use it to get White 'out of book' I suppose. But the main point with 3...c6 is that 4.Nc3 d5 5.exd5 Qh4+ 6.Kf1 f3 looked scary for White for a while, until Ivanchuk showed how to play it for White. I even named that chapter 'The Scarecrow' Smiley

Despite Shaw's claim of refutation it's comforting to see that Ivanchuk still plays the Bishop's Gambit - he recently beat Karjakin in a rapid game.
(http://www.chessbomb.com/arena/2015-vlpetrovmem-r/09-Ivanchuk_Vassily-Karjakin_S...)

No 3...Nc6 there though. I wonder if Chucky was planning to play one of my lines with 4.d4 or something else? Well, sooner or later I guess someone will find out! Smiley
  
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Re: C30-C39 C33: The Fascinating King's Gambit
Reply #257 - 03/21/15 at 09:43:34
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Wow, thanks a lot. Setting up a tournament with different programmes goes beyond my capability, but just tossing a bit with the pieces a bit further down the line with different programmes kibitzing - and looking at the game excamples from Taljechin -  have made me realize that 4...b5 may actually not be that good.

I then looked at 4...Ne7, which is interesting, but I failed to find anything good after 5.Qh5! d5 (5...Ng6 6.d4!) 6.exd5 cxd5 7.Nxd5 Nxd5 8.Bxd5 Qe7+ 9.Ne2 with good play for White.

Thus, so far my conclusion is that 3...c6 probably doesn't yield Black better chances than 3...Nf6. It is still interesting though that it scores better and seems to have a higher average rating amongst it's followers, at least in my database. I may have to buy Johanssons book to get deeper into it.

Anyway, since the release of Shaws book, my personal preference has clearly been 3...Nc6, which has also paid of in terms of many good practical results. That move has been discussed at some length in the thread on Shaws book elsewhere on the forum (and where I'm still hoping for some feedback to a replay (139) I made 25 november 2014...).

Thanks again both to Tony and Taljechin!
  
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Re: C30-C39 C33: The Fascinating King's Gambit
Reply #256 - 03/16/15 at 21:24:36
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I think one of the reasons engines like 4...b5 (iso 4...Nf6) is that it doesn't prevent Qh4+, which is the move most engines want to play in the Bishop's gambit, but which doesn't happen to be that great after all
  
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Re: C30-C39 C33: The Fascinating King's Gambit
Reply #255 - 03/15/15 at 20:43:11
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Here's some food for thought from what examples I found in the database. To me 4...b5 looks like an unnecessary weakening but today's engines may well overvalue the benefits of forcing play as they get deeper quicker into lines with forced moves (especially goes for Stockfish in the opening phase).

If you want to investigate it more thoroughly I'd suggest you let the engines play a theme tournament on the position after 4...b5 with a long time control and 2 games w+b between every engine. I would expect Houdini (and probably also Rybka) to score quite well as White (and probably also as Black depending on opposition). Other engines to invite would be for example: Komodo, Critter, Fire/Mars/Robbolito, Strelka plus perhaps a few different Sfish-clones tweaked differently (there are plenty of them nowadays).

After a few games you'll notice which engines get the position best as white or black and can pit them against each other. and you'll notice recurring themes as well and you can move the starting position further in as the main line tends to develop.

  
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Re: C30-C39 C33: The Fascinating King's Gambit
Reply #254 - 03/08/15 at 11:46:00
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TalJechin wrote on 02/01/05 at 18:14:41:
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[quote] Anyway he examines the line 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Nf6 (or 3...c6 4.Nc3 Nf6 though he doesn't indicate that these lines are analogous) 4...c6!


Well, he does mention that they transpose, which hardly needs saying as it is rather obvious isn't it?



I am interested in knowing, if 3...c6 may actually lead to better independent play after 4.Nc3 than transposing to the mainline through 4...Nf6, for example 3...c6 4.Nc3 4...b5!? Unfortunately, I haven't got Johanssons book myself, so I am seeking some help from some who knows it - or have good advice anyhow! 3...c6 4.Nc3 b5 is rarely seen, but scores well for Black in the 5 games in my database (3 wins, 1 Draw, 1 loss). It is also higher regarded by Stockfish than 4...Nf6. Am I overlooking something? Advice on the matter will be highly appreciated!
  
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Re: The Fascinating King's Gambit
Reply #253 - 06/25/13 at 17:51:28
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micawber wrote on 03/19/06 at 17:59:19:
Thomas Stock had an interesting site on gambits a few years back. But it has disappeared into an electronic Walhalla without leaving a trace. This site contained interesting information on the Kings Gambit , especially the Muzio.... He tried both to trace the history of this variation, provide new analysis and organised email-thema-tournaments. Most of the games of these tournaments have been saved by Tim Harding on his Mega-Correspondence-CD.


There's an internet archive site called
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You might be able to find the Thomas Stock site on gambits through this Wayback Machine link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020603234324/http://thomasstock.com/gambit/
  

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Reply #252 - 02/10/11 at 23:15:28
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Dragonslayer wrote on 02/01/05 at 17:37:23:
GM Emil Sutovsky recently played this variation against Nisipeanu. In New In Chess Magazine issue 7/2004 he comments the game. Here are the first few moves:
1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 e5 (2...c5 is a closed Sicilian or open but White chooses!; 2...Nf6 3.d4 e5 is more Philidor stuff, but White can play 3.f4!? when 3...e5 is a KG declined and 3...c5 a Sicilian Grand Prix, but Black has missed out on the Tal gambit as well as ...e6 and ...d5 lines)
3.f4! exf4 4.Bc4 Now it is a Bishop's gambit.
Sutovsky (as did IM Lawrence Day who played 4.d4 in this position) dislikes 4.Nf3 which he claims leads to a bad version of the classical gambit (Fischer defence). Actually this is not so, but let's just leave people thinking that and score a few easy points (Btw this demonstrates clearly that even GMs are oblivious to recent theory as ling as it has not been in Informator or the week in chess).
4...Qh4 5.Kf1 Be6 6.Qe2! This also occurred in Fischer-Evans, USA 1963. After Fischer had "refuted" the King's gambit...food for thought.

The familiar move-order would be 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Qh4+ 4.Kf1 d6 5.Nc3 Be6 6.Qe2. Now 6...Nd7!? is an interesting move played only recently (and so not mentioned in The FKG). White can get his pawn back straight away with 7.Bxe6 fxe6 8.Qc4 0-0-0 9.Qxe6, but at the cost of neglecting development. Now I like 9...g5! for Black (9...Ngf6 was Gonzalez Molina-Albesa, email 2007). E.g. 10.Nf3 Qh5 11.Qf5 (or 11.h4 Bh6) 11...Bh6 12.Qa5 Ne7! (White's attack is not as dangerous as it looks) 13.Qxa7 (or 13.Nb5 Nb6 14.Nxa7+ Kb8 15.Nb5 Nc6 and White runs out of steam) 13...Nc6 14.Qa8+ Ndb8 followed by a counter-attack beginning with ...g4.

Other "smash and grab" tries by White also seem unconvincing: 7.Nb5 0–0–0! 8.Nxa7+ Kb8 9.Nb5; and 7.Nf3 Qf6! 8.Nb5 0–0–0 9.Bxe6 fxe6 10.Qc4 c6 11.Nxa7+ Kc7.
  
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Re: The Fascinating King's Gambit
Reply #251 - 07/23/06 at 13:43:37
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Thanks Jon for sincere answers. I can hardly wait for your book, and by the way I expect three books on KG: one is yours, second is from Quality Chess Books, Sweden, and the third comes from Beyer Verlag, Germany. Johansson's FKG has 224 pages, I'm wondering how will you cover all variations of KG in single volume with small pages...
  

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Reply #250 - 07/23/06 at 10:25:04
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I don't understand why your future book Mr. Tait on KG must or will have 192 pages as all new opening releases from Everyman Chess.


That's just pre-publishing blurb. Dunno how many pages it has yet since I haven't finished it (though it will be around 192 to fit the covers).


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The KG bible is expected, and I don't see a reason why nobody writes a new modern book, complete and comprehensive on KG.


It won't be complete and comprehensive though. For instance Thomas's book has over 200 pages and that's just on the Bishop's Gambit (plus Declined lines for White).

Personally I think complete and comprehensive is beside the point for the King's Gambit anyway. One of my favourites is Bücker's Das Neue Königsgambit and that's only 90 little pages, but it's a great place to start play from.


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Today we see only intros and "Novice books", books with false titles like "Bashing the...", "Winning with...", "Beating the...". Only money counts, so there are really few experts who are ready to deal with writing a top notch opening book.


That's true. Partly it's because encyclopaedic tomes don't sell very well; and also because it doesn't pay authors to write them.


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I feel resurrection every time when top GM outplays oponnents in openings which are disregarded. The truth really has many faces...


Yes, there's lots of fun to be had with old-fashioned openings Smiley


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Reply #249 - 07/22/06 at 23:07:31
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I don't understand why your future book Mr. Tait on KG must or will have 192 pages as all new opening releases from Everyman Chess. The KG bible is expected, and I don't see a reason why nobody writes a new modern book, complete and comprehensive on KG. Today we see only intros and "Novice books", books with false titles like "Bashing the...", "Winning with...", "Beating the...". Only money counts, so there are really few experts who are ready to deal with writing a top notch opening book. I feel resurrection every time when top GM outplays oponnents in openings which are disregarded. The truth really has many faces...
  

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Reply #248 - 07/22/06 at 09:04:13
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nice to see my name up there with the grandmasters Wink

as to my assessment: I think you should play the King's Gambit to win with either colour Smiley
  

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Reply #247 - 07/21/06 at 21:27:06
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I do not see a reason why one should abndon KG, a specially a Bishop's KG! Here I see names from the so called "high level chess", such like Tait or Kosten by the way, and I, an amateur, think that in over the board games allways wins the better prepared player... When we speak about a computer chess there are more subtle and almost different conclusions, and because of that we do not have KG games in computer vs computer matches. I do support Mr. Johansson who wrote a KG books and I do have both, and with pleasure I do expect his future releases in this opening. And Mr. Tait, I have seen that your book about KG will apear in Everyman Chess next year. I can hardly wait to see how will you diclose KG and what will be your verdict... I must admitt that I'm a tactical player and I have all Renko's CD's on tactics. With KG I can beat even stronger players cuase theory is very important. As a future Master of Scinece I do feel delight when I must cruse in the ocean in variations which has Mr. Johansson privided for us KG followers. I sincerely hope that in those murky waters of KG lies the truth: and once even Pilatus asked the Iesus Christ: "Quid est veritas?", or in plain English: "What is the truth?". Thanks Mr. Johansson and Mr. Tait, I do love chess thanks to the KG, please keep develop it!!!
  

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Reply #246 - 07/20/06 at 16:51:27
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 07/20/06 at 01:46:15:
TalJechin wrote on 05/25/05 at 03:54:10:
Hebden is still on my favourite KG-players list (I think I've seen somewhere that it was he who taught Gallagher the KG, as a result of paying off a poker debt?!  


Mark has just assured me that it was, in fact, a backgammon debt! Smiley


he told me I should give it up because it lost a pawn Smiley
  

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Reply #245 - 07/20/06 at 01:46:15
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TalJechin wrote on 05/25/05 at 03:54:10:
Hebden is still on my favourite KG-players list (I think I've seen somewhere that it was he who taught Gallagher the KG, as a result of paying off a poker debt?!  


Mark has just assured me that it was, in fact, a backgammon debt! Smiley
  
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Reply #244 - 07/18/06 at 12:59:13
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SorenJensen wrote on 07/15/06 at 10:04:55:
Looking at the list of contents of the July issue of Chess (UK) one notes "Farewell to the Kings Gambit: so let it RIP".

Who's the author and what's the reason for  this gloomy title?


It's a five page review of the FKG by Stephen Berry. To sum it up quickly, the message is: good book, bad opening. Though personally I didn't see anything that would scare me off the ol' KG.
- Former Kgeers and corrplayers are usually more negative about the KG (and most other tactical openings).

Anyway, I won't get into another 'pros and cons of the KG'-discussion, as we've had them too many times already. Let everyone make up his/her own mind.
  
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Looking at the list of contents of the July issue of Chess (UK) one notes "Farewell to the Kings Gambit: so let it RIP".

Who's the author and what's the reason for  this gloomy title?
  
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Reply #242 - 07/12/06 at 11:09:48
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I don't believe that spending time analysing an opening one plays could ever be a waste of time!

You may not find an objective advantage (I doubt there is one in all major openings...) but one develops an understanding and skill that is quite useful both for handling the KG and discovering new ideas and that skill can often be useful in other f-pawn openings as well, e.g. the Grand Prix Attack or The Dutch Defence (especially vs white's early deviations).
  
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TalJechin wrote on 07/12/06 at 10:43:20:
Well, if you never look for an advantage how would you know if it's there or not?!  Wink


through hundreds of wasted hours looking for one Wink
  

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Reply #240 - 07/12/06 at 10:43:20
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I have this book Smiley

but I prefer your earlier one Thomas.

Mainly because such in depth analysis, although admirable, is a bit irrelevant in the King's Gambit I think. There is no advantage to be found for White in the King's Gambit, so looking for one is ultimately a depressing endeavour. It's much more pertinent just to find little ideas, things to try out in actual games and have fun. Analysing them in depth rather defeats the point I think.


Well, if you never look for an advantage how would you know if it's there or not?!  Wink
  
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Reply #239 - 07/11/06 at 16:05:30
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I have this book Smiley

but I prefer your earlier one Thomas.

Mainly because such in depth analysis, although admirable, is a bit irrelevant in the King's Gambit I think. There is no advantage to be found for White in the King's Gambit, so looking for one is ultimately a depressing endeavour. It's much more pertinent just to find little ideas, things to try out in actual games and have fun. Analysing them in depth rather defeats the point I think.
  

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Reply #238 - 04/15/06 at 03:30:49
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Finallty the FKG is also available in The Netherlands:

http://www.debestezet.nl/
  

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Reply #237 - 03/19/06 at 17:59:19
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Thomas Stock had an interesting site on gambits a few years back. But it has disappeared into an electronic Walhalla without leaving a trace. This site contained interesting information on the Kings Gambit , especially the Muzio.... He tried both to trace the history of this variation, provide new analysis and organised email-thema-tournaments. Most of the games of these tournaments have been saved by Tim Harding on his Mega-Correspondence-CD.
  
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Reply #236 - 03/18/06 at 15:04:30
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Dear all,

It seems to me from the lines given above and even from the absence of lines given by TJ (Qe2? but where?), that he made the right choice when writing about the Bishop Gambit.

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Well, by now I thought everyone here knew my site, with all it's weird colours and pop-ups - but I suppose there will always be someone lagging behind the rest of the class...  Wink

So, here's a direct link to the KG section of my site (most of the stuff there has been there for years...) - click on 'No Bust' for Levin's Qe2 idea, and as said above: be prepared for a few pop ups and ghastly colour choices. And if the diagrams should look weird, try updating the frame with the article.

http://hem.passagen.se/tjmisha/kg_index.html
  
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Reply #235 - 03/18/06 at 13:03:32
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Dear all,

It seems to me from the lines given above and even from the absence of lines given by TJ (Qe2? but where?), that he made the right choice when writing about the Bishop Gambit.

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Reply #234 - 03/17/06 at 19:10:04
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On my site I have an article on an idea of Levin's, an early Qe2 iirc. Other than that, I don't worry about 3...d6 anymore...  Smiley

Actually, I had a game in Hastings 2003 that went similarly to the Fischer main line via the Bishop's Gambit - but with the nice difference that instead of the non moves Ng1-f3-g1 I got both d4 and Nc3 in. Wink
  
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MNb wrote on 03/17/06 at 01:35:36:
.5.d4 g5 5.h4 g4 6.Ng1 is the most popular variation, but I don't think I can recommend it......because I've come to feel that it's against the spirit of the King's Gambit."
I fully agree with the second part of this statement and have always found 4.Nc3 interesting: g5 5.d4 or if a draw is not really a problem 5.h4.


I fully agree with TJ & MNb's sentiments. Its precisely because of this that is really tempting me to get both the Creative Aggressor & the FKG......to either learn alternative lines against the Fischer defense or to avoid it altogether by learning to play 3.Bc4 instead. TJ's recommendation of 5.b3 is my preference to 5.d3 as the latter looks  somewhat tame (psychological block p'haps, since ive always hated playing d3 moves as white in other openings. ive always believed in the e4-d4 pawn ctr)

I wonder if TJ has any other new ideas against the Fischer defense since the creative aggressor.....I would be interested to know them. MNb's 4.Nc3 looks interesting too.
  

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Reply #232 - 03/17/06 at 16:10:16
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In Fischer Defence
1 e4 e5
2 f4 exf4
3 Nf3 d6
4 d4 g5
5 h4 g4
instead of 6 Ng1 , you have the Attila Gambit 6 Bxf4 gxf3 7 Qxf3
I don't know whether it's sound , and I did not play it myself , but I made it play by my chess engines ,, and I got some brillancy prizes
  
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Reply #231 - 03/17/06 at 01:35:36
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In his 1998 book the KG for the Creative Aggressor TJ recommended 3.Nf3 d6 4.Bc4 h6 and now either 5.b3 or 5.d3.
"By the way, 5.d4 g5 5.h4 g4 6.Ng1 is the most popular variation, but I don't think I can recommend it. Partly because I have a horrendous score in it myself and partly because I've come to feel that it's against the spirit of the King's Gambit."
I fully agree with the second part of this statement and have always found 4.Nc3 interesting: g5 5.d4 or if a draw is not really a problem 5.h4.
  

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Dear Craig,

  I was not aware that TalJechin's book covered only the Bishop Gambit. But this probably White's best attempt (at dynamic equilibrium in any case!), so it's a good subject choice.
As regards the From, I must say I'm naturally sceptical of early gambits in general, but I thought this was a good reaction to 1.f4 and superior to the Stauton Gambit
(1. d4 f5 ; 2. e4) since Black's development is rather fluid and to the point after 2. ...d6.
But I must admit I never bothered to analyse it, and I'd be very grateful if you would spare me the effort and share your knowledge.
Perhaps you could start a thread in the Flank Opening section.

                                                   Looking forward to hearing from you,
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Reply #229 - 03/16/06 at 13:03:37
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I could be wrong here, but doesn't the Fischer Gambit arise after 3.Nf3 d6 4.d4 g5? Since TalJechin's book is based on a repertoire which is centered on the Bishop's Gambit (3.Bc4), I doubt that there are any transpositions to this line. I'm sure he will kindly give you his opinion anyway, however.  Wink

On an off-topic note, as Tim Taylor quite nicely shows in his Bird book, From's Gambit is under quite a bit of a cloud in most variations. It's quite amusing however, that I've played 1.f4 twice, knowing that my opponent plays 1...e5 so I could meet it with 2.f4.

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Dear TalJechin,

  I play the From Gambit, partly in order to get the chance to face the KG while avoiding other 1. e4 e5 stuff, so your book may be of some interest to me.
  What is your recommendation against the testing Fischer Defence, in particular the 6. ...f5!? line? Do you have any improvements on McDonald's analysis?

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Well, thanks for the confidence in me, but I've already had one KG group 6-7 years ago and we didn't reach many conclusions and dissolved after 1-2 years.

This forum works very well for all openings I think so why start a group on just one opening? Besides, there's already at least one google (or was it yahoo?) group dedicated to the KG on the net...
  
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Thomas Johansson would make a great leader of that group!!! Grin


Sounds good! Our KG God would make a great leader indeed Cheesy
  

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Reply #225 - 03/14/06 at 14:42:58
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I suggest that some of the leading authors (like Johanssons etc.) writes a book about King's Gambit which would not be a theory compedium, but on the contrary a sort of book which would include the following themes:

a) history of King's Gambit
b) great followers of the King's Gambit
c) evolution of lines and a body of theory
d) explanation of strategy and ideas through centurys
e) anecdotes, names of variations etc.
f) list of all worthy manuals and software about the King's Gambit

Such book would be a good crossroad for all future player and a treasure for all of us who already play this opening.
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Thomas Johansson would make a great leader of that group!!! Grin
  
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Hey people! I was wondering if we can build or form a sort of King's Gambit Society which would bond all players around the world. The society can then inform people about new books, software etc., perform thematic tournaments on the net (i.e. on playchess.com), build a register of members etc. I don't know if this project could pass, but one never knows...
  

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I think that I have a good news for all King's gambit aficionados: rumours on the net say that the Quality, a publisher from Sweden, works on the book about our favourite openings, and that I have heard from Mr. Aagaard personally. I hope this is true, and we will be armed with one weapon more...
  

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Slightly off-topic - I await further news of your 2.b3 book with relish, TalJechin. I've been playing this line for years with some success, but without too much knowledge of the theory, and could do with a guide to help me on my way! Is there a timescale on this project?


Well, I still hope to get it finished in a couple of months but alas tempus fugit - the main problem is that I tend to get caught up in some interesting position and spend way too much time on it than it might deserve compared to the whole picture...

The main chunks are the following parts:
5.Qe2
5.g4
3...Nf6
3...c5
2...c5/2...b6
misc 2nds

At the moment I'm halfway through 5.g4 (which may not be as bad its reputation, though one needs to growel for 2-3 moves in the main defence...)

I expect the remaining parts to go quicker than the first two as they're less intense in play - so late May early June may not be too optimistic a time frame...  Roll Eyes

Thanks for asking btw, always nice to hear that there might be a market for the RG book!  Smiley

I'll try too keep the books info page more updated within a few days, so keep checkin this page  Wink

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This is often a problem with opening books - they are generally created by people with little or no chess ability, often copying moves down blindly (and often making errors).

Slightly off-topic - I await further news of your 2.b3 book with relish, TalJechin. I've been playing this line for years with some success, but without too much knowledge of the theory, and could do with a guide to help me on my way! Is there a timescale on this project?

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Hey masters of attack! I've played one blitz game against Fritz 9 using his openings book, playing tournament moves, and just look how bad the variation is given by opening book moderator:

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Nc3 c6 5.Bb3 d5 6.exd5 cxd5 7.d4 Bd6 8.Nge2 0-0 9.Bxf4 Bxf4 10.Nxf4 Re8+ 11.Nfe2 Ng4 12.Nxd5 Be6 13.h3 Bxd5 14.hxg4 Bxg2 15.Rh2 Bf3 16.Qd3 Rxe2+ 17.Rxe2 Bxe2 18.Qxe2 Nc6 19.0-0-0 Nxd4 last book move 20.Bxf7+ Kxf7 21.Qc4+ Kf8 22.Rxd4 Qb6 23.Rf4+ Ke7 24.Rf7+ Ke8 25.Rf1 Qe3+ 26.Kb1 Qe7 27.Qg8+ Kd7 28.Rd1+ Kc7 29.Qxa8 a6 30.Qg8 g5 31.Qc4+ Kb6 32.a3 1-0

My book comes for Easter. Can hardly wait for leraning great unexplored stuff.
Best wishes!


Smiley It seems fritz's trainer is a Fischer fan, the game follows Bobby's analysis from 1964 up to 21.Qc4+ - a strange choice for a black repertoire...
  
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That certainly looks very poor ...  Huh
  

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Hey masters of attack! I've played one blitz game against Fritz 9 using his openings book, playing tournament moves, and just look how bad the variation is given by opening book moderator:

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Nc3 c6 5.Bb3 d5 6.exd5 cxd5 7.d4 Bd6 8.Nge2 0-0 9.Bxf4 Bxf4 10.Nxf4 Re8+ 11.Nfe2 Ng4 12.Nxd5 Be6 13.h3 Bxd5 14.hxg4 Bxg2 15.Rh2 Bf3 16.Qd3 Rxe2+ 17.Rxe2 Bxe2 18.Qxe2 Nc6 19.0-0-0 Nxd4 last book move 20.Bxf7+ Kxf7 21.Qc4+ Kf8 22.Rxd4 Qb6 23.Rf4+ Ke7 24.Rf7+ Ke8 25.Rf1 Qe3+ 26.Kb1 Qe7 27.Qg8+ Kd7 28.Rd1+ Kc7 29.Qxa8 a6 30.Qg8 g5 31.Qc4+ Kb6 32.a3 1-0

My book comes for Easter. Can hardly wait for leraning great unexplored stuff.
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Hi all,

I have just joined this forum.

You will find one of my correspondence King's Gambits in issue 22 of Kaissiber magazine.

I am currently playing a King's Gambit fixed openings tournament on ICCF. My opponents with one exception (who is a FIDE master who has no ICCF grading) are all rated higher than me.) None of the games are going to be published on the net until all games are finished. I cannot comment on them yet as some games are going much faster than others. Some games have only reached move six while I have won one game as black.

I have both of the books by Thomas Johansson. For the first time in my life I have tried the bishop's gambit. Alas the highest rated player in the tournament has played  one of the lines discussed on this forum.

When the tournament is over I will have a mass of stuff to post here including one bombshell game and lots of theory.

One delicous point is that I was able to play the white side of my two games with SIM Colin Savage in two over the board games during the week.
  
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To get the thread back on track and also to inform any german KGeers here, it seems the FKG has now a german reseller! Smiley

Instead of just quoting the back cover like everyone else, they quote my entire Introduction, which is OK by me - but they could've asked first... Huh

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Perhaps it has already been mentioned but just in case I'll note that one book has already been published on 1.e4 e6 2.b3.  I sold it years ago (now wish I hadn't) and can't remember the title or the author.  About the only idea I can remember from the book was the gambit 1.e4 e6 2.b3 d5 3.Bb2 c5 4.Nf3!? dxe4 5.Ne5.  Anyone aware of this book?



Yep I got it. It's Papa's eponymous gambitbook - though it's more like an a4 size pamphlet. It's still available at some dealers specialising in old chess books (at least I think I still have the address to one US dealer that had it six months ago - message me if u want it and I'll try to find it...).

On the issue of the definite book name - it will all be revealed in a couple of months, I hope!

Anyway, I think we've drifted quite off topic here...  Roll Eyes
  
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Perhaps it has already been mentioned but just in case I'll note that one book has already been published on 1.e4 e6 2.b3.  I sold it years ago (now wish I hadn't) and can't remember the title or the author.  About the only idea I can remember from the book was the gambit 1.e4 e6 2.b3 d5 3.Bb2 c5 4.Nf3!? dxe4 5.Ne5.  Anyone aware of this book?
  
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Reply #212 - 02/24/06 at 20:13:23
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OK, then simply Réti's Anti-French.
  

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You might have something there, and I've considered something similar but it tends to be too long a title...  Cry
  
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I like a title like "Frustrating the French with the Reti gambit" followed by the moves.
Personally I never heard of the Reti gambit and I suspect that to be the case for 80% of the bookbuying chessplayers.
  

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MNb wrote on 02/24/06 at 01:13:34:
What about Réti-Spielmann Gambit? After all my hero was the first, who had success with it! It does sound rather nice too.


Nah, sounds too long!  Wink Btw, Rudolf had only 2/3 (Müller, Grau & Foltys) while Reti himself had 2½/3 (and should have won the stem game against Maroczy too) so surely Reti was the first to have success with it! -Especially since winning the tournament in Göteborg 1920 (where the stem game was played) was something of a breakthrough into the chess summit for him. Unfortunately, 'the Gothenburg variation' is already taken at least once...

Btw, I've just noticed a large order of FKGs to a shop in Heiden Germany, so in a couple of weeks I suppose germans hesitant about online ordering may be able to buy it over the counter!  Smiley
  
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What about Réti-Spielmann Gambit? After all my hero was the first, who had success with it! It does sound rather nice too.
  

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alumbrado wrote on 02/23/06 at 16:00:36:
Well, in truth the site is not the prettiest ... but I am impressed that you have one at all ...

By the way, for what it's worth, I don't think you should call the new book The Réti Gambit, otherwise people like me will think it is about the gambit lines after 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4.

I'm sure it has another name, although I can't remember it at the moment.


Well, according to the net and Oxford Companion it's known as the Reti Gambit, while Schiller called it Papa-Ticulat, which sounds horrible to me! But there will of course be an undertitle mentioning 1.e4 e6 2.b3 and a cover picture - so it should be hard to confuse it with the Reti Opening, I hope!  Undecided

But I'm open to suggestion, if someone has a better title. Though, I guess I'll throw in an adjective (or maybe a noun this time?!) in the title just to annoy the reviewers! Wink
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Well, in truth the site is not the prettiest ... but I am impressed that you have one at all ...

By the way, for what it's worth, I don't think you should call the new book The Réti Gambit, otherwise people like me will think it is about the gambit lines after 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4.

I'm sure it has another name, although I can't remember it at the moment.
  

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As I once said, and now I say it again!!!
The King's Gambit would be more popular and "solid" opening if we would have a good and quality website. Mr. Johansson has bad site with a lot popups, funny colours and comercial adds. What would you think as a potential buyer and a player when you see something like this? Either it's some underground murky and bad water, or some bad and dark site.  Just think! When  you have bad site, you have bad reputation (like Eric Schiller fro US who is an "expert" for gambits), and bad reputation leads to disaster. "The Fascinating King's Gambit" would be definetely more popular and the sceptics would be also happy!

BY IGNORING THIS FACTS WE HARM OURSELVES!!!
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Well, the site's been there for at least 6 years and the fact is that so far, you're the only one who's complained and twice too.
True, pop ups have increased there the last couple of years but nowadays there's built in anti-pop-up programs in most browsers - or add ons available for download. And backgrounds etc can be eliminated in your own browser's option tabs, or you could just choose not to watch the site...

Personally, I can't imagine there's any chessplayer in the universe who judge an opening depending on the look of a web page! Grin

Anyway, I think you should be aware that using capital letters in textmessages is very bad netiquette and considered yelling - usually a good way of either irritating people or making them ignore you!



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The King's Gambit would be more popular and "solid" opening if we would have a good and quality website. Mr. Johansson has bad site with a lot popups, funny colours and comercial adds. What would you think as a potential buyer and a player when you see something like this? Either it's some underground murky and bad water, or some bad and dark site.  Just think! When  you have bad site, you have bad reputation (like Eric Schiller fro US who is an "expert" for gambits), and bad reputation leads to disaster. "The Fascinating King's Gambit" would be definetely more popular and the sceptics would be also happy!

BY IGNORING THIS FACTS WE HARM OURSELVES!!!
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I've started a thread & poll called Reviewing The Reviewers in the general chess section!  Smiley
  
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I used to trust 100% Hansen in his reviews, his books are also good (specially the 1.c4 e5 imho), but recently his backing of Davies 1.e4 e5! (****)  and Lanes Spanish book has left me puzzled. Both are pretty bad in suggested repertoire, analysis and layout! Explanations are either not there or the pathetic type (Bb5 puts pressure on the e5 pawn ...)

The only reason I could fathom is that Hansen is not an 1.e4 player, but still!
  

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I think CH book-reviews are rather good. He was one of the few reviewers that spotted that Lalic's book on the Marshall-Gambit (spanish) was not very good (a book we could have done without!).
At least he takes the time to substantiate his critical opinions. That his reviews of serial publications like the informator and new in chess are predicatable doesn't mean he does his job.
His criteria to judge opening-books are quite clear and employed consistently.

Watson's book reviews were rather good as well! He also wrote personal and rather honest opinions.
  
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"then I will surely contact Mr. Johansson"
You have already done so on this forum. In case you don't get it, TJ has two meanings.
  

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I don't think that the FM Carsten Hansen is the best reviewer or that he is an standard for the book quality, but I am sure that his writing is open, attacking, rewarding, and I guess honest also. I do not like read reviews in which the reviewer constantly praises the book and with this attitude he intentiously misleads the pontenial buyer. We all know that every book has the good and the bad side, and by pointing with finger on this nuances one gets much objective picture. Some reviewers are paid for writting good critics, they receive gratitude and free copies etc., etc... Don't be fooled by some verdict. Only when the large number of reviewers and specialists, buyers aslo, states that some work deserves praise, then we peacefully say that this or that book is good. How can somebody review the book if he never plays the King's Gambit at all. I get impression that most of them look the cover, index of variations etc., and then they simply try some lines with computer. The truth is somwhere out there, and WE ARE THOSE WHO WILL HAVE LAST WORTH ON IT. I can hardly wait for my copy, and then I will surely contact Mr. Johansson and share my thoughts with him, and also with the people who read this.
  

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I don't see any reason why CA should be any better a reviewer than others. Usually, he's rather predictable - like "*****" for any Informator. Most reviewers functions as notice boards, 'look this is available' but less as consumer informants.

The sternest test for any chess book, is actually this forum! As contributers here
1) actually read the books they buy
2) usually play and already know alot about the opening they've just read about.


Also, and while I'm not accusing Hansen of this, don't forget reviewers may have a monetary interest in praising series works such as Informator and ChessBase magazine - continuing good reviews may well mean continuing free copies.
  
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The Johannson's new book becomes good critics so far and I do no doubt in quality of his work. Be at the end I want to have a review form CARSTEN HANSEN, the best and sharp reviewer from Chesscafe, in his column CHECKPOINT.
His verdict will be final and I hope that he will review this book.


I don't see any reason why CA should be any better a reviewer than others. Usually, he's rather predictable - like "*****" for any Informator. Most reviewers functions as notice boards, 'look this is available' but less as consumer informants.

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The Johannson's new book becomes good critics so far and I do no doubt in quality of his work. Be at the end I want to have a review form CARSTEN HANSEN, the best and sharp reviewer from Chesscafe, in his column CHECKPOINT.
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Thanks Trolletje, you spotted it before I did!  Smiley

It seems that Watson has really been burning the midnight oil for the last year to offer optimal enlightenment to prospective buyers...  Roll Eyes  Lips Sealed
  
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Watson at TWIC (review #72) on Johansson's FKG:
"Thomas Johansson's repertoire book The Fascinating King's Gambit is published by Trafford, a Print-on-Demand company for self-publishing authors. It's a little sloppy-looking, but that generally doesn't bother me in books and it has everything you need to know to play 1.e4 e5 2.f4, assuming that you are happy with the main line 2...exf4 3.Bc4. I've personally looked at various whacky ideas "the Westerinen Gambit" (1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Nc3 c6 5.d4!?) and here the critical 5.Bb3 d5 6.exd5 cxd5 7.d4. Of course you have to trust the main lines beginning with 3...Qh4+ 4.Kf1. I believe that the latter poses less threat to White's ambitions than the former, and both sides have issues to solve in the King's Gambit Declined (2...Bc5). Johansson's is another book that a student of mine is absorbed in, and potentially provides you with a way to avoid the near-infinite theory of the Spanish Game."
  
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Hey Thomas,

I liked the look of the SilverSurfer gambit in your latest ouvre. Has anything come up lately which spoils the fun?

Cheers, Soren


Hej Sören,

so far I don't remember seeing any important games with the SilverSurfer, but C33 seems to be rising in TWiC lately so maybe it takes a year to go through the book?!  Smiley
  
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I liked the look of the SilverSurfer gambit in your latest ouvre. Has anything come up lately which spoils the fun?

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Somewhat surprised about an earlier comment, I thought the book was doing well regarding sales... Pity, possibly, it was not edited by Gambit, that would have helped a lot and make it slightly cheaper.

Gambit's books are normally excellent, but they have also tried some crappy manuscripts. Well, I guess guessing if a book will sale well is an ardous task!

I guess it all depends how many copies you thought was worth your effort...



Well, the main reason is probably 'lack of promotion', considering the current wave of new chessbooks every month... Still publicationwise, je ne regrette rien!  Smiley
  
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The last line should read 'your effort was worth...' Sorry, could not edit the message...
  

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Hello!

Somewhat surprised about an earlier comment, I thought the book was doing well regarding sales... Pity, possibly, it was not edited by Gambit, that would have helped a lot and make it slightly cheaper.

Gambit's books are normally excellent, but they have also tried some crappy manuscripts. Well, I guess guessing if a book will sale well is an ardous task!

I guess it all depends how many copies you thought was worth your effort...
  
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One question: Is there anything wrong with 2...Qh4 against the King's Gambit? I've looked at it as Black and can't see anything obviously bad. Good luck with the book!  Smiley


Well, basically it's unharmonic, as black's Qe7 will be in the way of his other forces. In blitz it's not too bad since both sides make mistakes, and if you get a rotten position you won't have to suffer more than a few minutes anyway...  Wink

I think black plays it because he hopes white will over reach in trying to crush him. While the more laid back line I advocate often see black self destruct by opening up the position prematurely.

Here's an example from one of my blitz games, one of my few blitz games I actually almost remember - at least the final position!  Smiley

(TJ) (2367) - (NN) (2530) [C30]
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1.e4 e5 2.f4 Qh4+ 3.g3 Qe7 4.d3 d5 5.fxe5 dxe4 6.dxe4 Qxe5 7.Nf3 Qxe4+ 8.Be2 Bc5 9.Nc3 Qe7 10.Bg5 f6 11.Bf4 Be6 12.Nd5 Bxd5 13.Qxd5 c6 14.Qb3 Na6 15.0-0-0 Nb4 16.Rhe1 Kf8 17.Bc4  1-0
  
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One question: Is there anything wrong with 2...Qh4 against the King's Gambit? I've looked at it as Black and can't see anything obviously bad. Good luck with the book!  Smiley
  
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What's going on!!! Let me know!!! gsmith174@cox.net
  
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Well, perhaps some clarity. In the present thread discussions on old an new topics are woven together.
It becomes increasingly difficult to find the way as the number of contributions increases.
In new threads you could start to summarize in the first post what we've learned in the discussion so far on a single topic; and start the new discussion from there.

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Well, perhaps..  Undecided

However, the new thread might just become full of questions and replies referring back to this one - and then what have we gained?  Roll Eyes
  
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Taljechin,

No offense meant. But isn't it time we started a new KG thread after 180+ contributions
and more than 7000 views.
Perhaps call it  The Fascinating KG - the bloodchilling sequel  Wink
  
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Thanks, the sales could use some luck!

Anyway, I hope you'll enjoy it!  Smiley
  
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I ordered the book and I shall get it in one or three weeks.

Good luck for your book!
  
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How is it possible to get a copy of your book? Do you sell it in french library?

I would be interested.

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So far I don't think there's any library that has it... But it should be easy to obtain online from Trafford or Amazon. BCM and Chess & Bridge probably still have it in stock, if you're going to London soon.
  
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How is it possible to get a copy of your book? Do you sell it in french library?

I would be interested.

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before you investigate the Kings Bishop Gambit in one of your updates, you really must purchase the FKG. The problems you mention are dealt with in the book. Of course it is very possible, that you disagree with TalJechin; that will be interesting.
  

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Hi,

It is true that I like the position after 5e5 in the Morphy line. On the other hand I studied (not too long I must say) the position after 5Nf3 ( "A la Fischer" you said) and may be I am wrong but I don't understand the problem for Black. If 5...O-O 6 O-O Nxe4 looks slightly better for Black and 6e5 d5 7Bb3 d4!? (my idea) looks excellent for Black.

The old line with 5 Nge2 was met very well by 6...d5 7exd5 f3!? 8gxf3 0-0 with a  good position for Black, the game game Alekhine-Levitsky can easily be improved. After 9 d4 Nxd5 is better for Black.

The line proposed by Nigel Davies is though nut to crack.

I will speak soon about the king gambit!! Don't worry!

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Hi,

I didn't see your book yet, but I would like to ask you one question: After 1e4 e5 2 f4 exf4 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Nc3 I started to analyse the Morphy line starting with 4...Bb4 and it seems very strong for Black. Do you have any idea on that particular line?

OR


Well, I do spend a chapter on The Spanish Connection 5.e5 is most common - and probably why you like it? I recommend either 5.Nf3 á la Fischer Smiley or the rare 5.Nge2!? - the first resulting in 'bishop pair for a pawn' and the other in the usual 'roughly balanced'...

But maybe the subscribers would be more interested in your opinion on the old line Davies dug up for his latest book? I must admit that it's annoying that after a few natural developing moves and then giving away his bishops, black seems to have more or less equality.  Angry

So, any suggestions for white in your column would be welcome! Besides, you would be covering three openings in one!  Smiley
  
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I didn't see your book yet, but I would like to ask you one question: After 1e4 e5 2 f4 exf4 3 Bc4 Cf6 4 Nc3 I started to analyse the Morphy line starting with 4...Bb4 and it seems very strong for Black. Do you have any idea one that particular line?

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"The Creative Aggressor is a great book on the Kings Gambit!!!"

Agreed. The Fascinating Kings Gambit is even better.
  

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The publisher is the same, but it was not reprinted by the same printing company.

The surest way to get hold of it is to write to my publisher at Kania schachverlag, at the bottom of the site below you'll get all the info you need for ordering it!  Smiley

http://www.kaniaverlag.de/htm/englisheditions.html#Johansson

If you want to buy it somewhere else I suggest you search for the title at google, I'm not so up to date on who else is selling it these days...
  
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Yes, the Creative Aggressor is still available - it was reprinted in august/september last year. (It's slightly taller and thinner than previously since the original printer in Hungary had gone out of business and lost the original plates.)


So who is the new publisher now? Where do I go for placing an order? Its not in Amazon.  Maybe you might know if its still available at Chessville??
  

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SmileyThe Creative Aggressor is a great book on the Kings Gambit!!!
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TJ,
I did see that review earlier whilst browsing around amazon & had thoughts of posting it up for you. Guess you beat me to it!

I'm feeling very tempted to get a copy already. btw is your Creative Aggressor still in print? Been eyeing that one for quite a while. May consider getting both your books once i've the funds.
  

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Well, let me resume my 'blogging' - though I think most people would assume that a thread named after a book would probably be about that book and its subject...

Anyway, I recently noticed a new reader review of said book, it seems the FKG has at least converted one player!  Cheesy
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1412046475/ref=cm_aya_asin.title/104-4677188-28...


By the way, after seeing this week's TWiC (585) I got thinking about the impact of opening books. It contains 10 KG games (and only 1 transposing from the Vienna to C30), one went 2...d5 3.ed5 exf4 - Kaufman's recommendation; two or three (if you count the Vienna game or not) went KGD 2...Bc5 - Davis' recommendation, and 3/4 KGA went 3.Bc4 (- the fourth was a C38). So, no Kieseritzkies, and perhaps a small breakthrough for the Bishop's Gambit?  Smiley
  
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Thanks ubiyca and Craig for remembering that this is an opening forum and not just a place to rack up blogs.  I've got quite a bit of work ahead of me to digest all this analysis!
  
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I'll post some replies to this when I get home this evening, though it could well be that white is scrambling for a draw - they were meant more as an illustration of white's possibilities after sacrificing the c-pawn than anything else - of course this isn't forced, and white is at least equal if he chooses not to. I think either 12.Qd3 or 14.Qd3 are probaby better choices, and 12.Bg5 also seems pretty playable from a white point of view.

One gut reaction, in your first line, Qd5 doesn't necessarily force an ending, although I'll have to take a look at what I jotted down before I give a definite answer.
  

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Reply #165 - 11/15/05 at 21:40:16
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I'm no expert as I always played the knight's gambit or other sidelines, but I don't recall 7...Nc6 being the correct continuation; however, looking at this game, perhaps ...Nc6 here is fine, instead of the more standard ...Bd6 clinging to the f-pawn for a few more moves at least. I may have preferred 12.Qd3, possibly forcing the exchange under favourable circumstances (12.h3 looks like, in some lines, it could become a weakness, and I doubt white needs a luft here), but your suggestion of 12.Bg5 looks fine to and, in practice, I'd prefer white here with his bishop pair. 

Anyway, 12.h3 Bxe2 13.Qxe2 Ne4 and now perhaps it's worth looking at sacrificing the doubled c-pawn (temporarily at the least) with 14.Rae1!?, for example 14.Rae1 Nxc3 15.Qd3 Ne4 and now:

a) 16.Bxd5!? Qxd5 17.Rxe4 Nb4!? [Sharpest. 17...f5 seems to lead to a drawish endgame after 18.Re3 Qxd4 19.Qb3+ Kh8 20.Qxb7 Rae8 21.Qxc6 Rxe3 22.Bxe3 Qxe3+ 23.Kh1 but, I suppose, white does have a passed c-pawn...] 18.Qf3 [By contrast, 18.c4? Nxd3 19.cxd5 looks like a grim endgame, though with the bishop v knight probably can be held.] and there is another fork:

a1) 18...Nxc2 19.Be5! Qc6 20.d5! Qc5+ [The stunning point is 20...Qxd5?? 21.Qf6!!!!!!! (and yes, this many question marks are necessary!)] 21.Rf2!! f5 and white can take a draw with 22.Bxg7 Kxg7 23.Qg3+ Kh8 24.Qe5+ Kg8 25.Qg3+, or try for more with 25.Ree2!? Nd4?! [25...Rae8 26.Qg3+ seems to lead to a draw again...] 26.Re3! hoping for 26...Rf6?! (looks cute but fails) 27.Rd3! when white wins his piece back with interest. Sadly 26...f4!! seems to finally exhaust white's ideas and force the repetition.

However, white can hold onto his powerful bishop instead, and try his luck in the line 22.Qg3!? Rf7! [Not 22...g6 23.d6! with the prosaic threat of Qb3+] when white can try:
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a11) 23.Ref4 g6 24.Rh4!? [24.Bb2!? Rae8 25.d6!!?? just hurts my head and I'll leave everyone to work out their favourite ridiculous line] Re7! 25.Rh6! [Guaranteeing the draw] Rxe5 [Otherwise black sinks] 26.Qxe5 Nb4! 27.Qe6+ Kg7 28.Rh4!? [28.Rh5 is yet another draw] Nd3! 29.Kh2! Nxf2 and now 30.Qe5+ is another chance for the perpetual. However, 30.d6!? looks like a fun attempt to ignore white's material defecit and play on - however sadly black has the ridiculous 30...h5 31.Rc4 Qb6 32.Qe7+ Kh6 33.d7 Rd8 34.Rc8 Ne4! and now black can force the perpetual.

*deep breath*

a12) 23.Ree2 Nd4 24.Rd2 f4! 25.Qd3! Nf5 26.Bxf4 and I think white is probably better, rendering all the above superfluous. However, I got carried away looking at all the fun lines. 
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a2) 18...Rac8 is probably the critical test, and since 19.Bh6!? is probably insufficient, white may have nothing better than 19.c3 Nxa2 20.Re3 Qxf3 21.Rfxf3 Rfd8 22.Re7! Rxc3! [22...Nxc3 23.Bd2 gives white a seemingly drawn position after 23...Nd5 24.Rxb7 Nf6! [Of course, not 24...Rc7 25.Rxc7 Nxc7 26.Ba5! winning] 25.Bg5 Rd7 26.Rxd7 (I haven't worked out 26.Rc3 fully, it may be playable) Nxd7 27.Ra3 Ra8 28.Ra5 f6 29.Bf4] 23.Rxc3 Nxc3 24.Bd2 Nb5 25.Rxb7 Nxd4 26.Be3 Nf5 27.Bxa7 which is, theoretically, a dead draw. 

Still, there's of course...

b) 16.c4 [The maniac's choice, white gives up a pawn for what may or may not be compensation. You decide...] Nb4!? 17.Qf3 dxc4 18.Rxe4 cxb3 19.Qxb3 Nd5 20.Be5! f6!? [Weakening the a2-g8 diagonal, but perhaps black has nothing better] 21.Bg3 Qd7 22.Rfe1! Kh8 23.Re6! Rad8 24.Rd6! Qf7 25.Ree6 and I think white has to be better here, his rooks and bishop own the board, and the queen is threatening the b7 pawn.

I've not gotten any further than this yet, I've enjoyed looking at these crazy lines too much. Perhaps I'll take the KG back up...


Craig Evans posted that commentary in another thread, but considering the game is here, I figured it'd be useful to actually copy it to this page as well.

Anyways, some improvements for Black might include:

16.c4 Nb4 17.Qf3 dxc4 18.Rxe4 cxb3 19.Qxb3 Qd5!, entering a pawn up endgame.

16.Bxd5 Qxd5 17.Rxe4 f5 18.Re3 Qxd4 19.Qb3+ Rf7 (why give up the pawn with Kh8?)

16.Bxd5 Qxd5 17.Rxe4 Nb4 18.Qf3 Rac8 19.c3 Nxa2 20.Re3 Qxf3 21.Rfxf3 and now b5 just cements Black's advantage. The c3-pawn is fixed, and White will be the one fighting for a draw.
  

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Reply #164 - 11/15/05 at 12:01:03
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This post hopes to make life for TopNotch easy; I hope he will comment on my game with Fuzishawa plus the improvements given.

MNb - Fuzishawa,R [C33]
em J50/P052 ICCF, 2001
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Nc3 c6 5.Bb3 d5 6.exd5 cxd5 7.d4 Nc6 8.Bxf4 Bb4 9.Nge2 Bg4 10.0-0 Bxc3 11.bxc3 0-0 12.h3 Bxe2 13.Qxe2 Ne4 14.Qf3 f5 15.Rae1 Qd7 16.c4 Nxd4 17.Qd3 Nxb3 18.cxb3 d4 19.Be5 Rad8 20.Rd1 Nc3 21.Rd2 Rfe8 22.Rxf5 g6 23.Rg5 Qc6 24.Qf5 Ne4 25.Rxd4 Nxg5 26.Qxg5 Rxd4 27.Bxd4 Qd6 28.Bc3 b6 29.a3 Qe7 30.Qd5+ Qe6 31.Qxe6+ Rxe6 32.Kf2 Kf7 33.Kf3 Rd6 34.Ke2 Ke6 35.g4 g5 36.b4 Kd7 0-1

I hoped for 12...Bh5 13.Bg5 Qe8 14.Bxf6 += and assumed that the game continuation was about equal.
12.Bg5 Qe8 13.Bxf6 Qxe2 14.Qxe2 Bxe2 15.Rfe1 Bg4 16.Bh4 Be6 is dead equal.
I was not satisfied with 9.Nf3 Qe7+ 10.Ne5 Ne4 11.o-o Nxc3 12.bxc3 Bxc3 13.Bxd5 Bxd4+ 14.Kh1 o-o completely equal.
White's best try is 8.Nf3 transposing to other lines.
These are imo the important lines.

Taljechin's most important reaction was:
Btw, in the game, I think 14.Qd3 (supporting pawn-d4 and intending c3-c4) is an improvement.

So now it is TN's turn.
  

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Hello,

I must admit to not knowing what the Urusov  was, until did a bit of googleing just now. I have a bit of Alekhine in me, in not wanting to bother with pawn sacs in the opening, unfortunately the only bit, so would autually play 4...Nc6 in response to the gambit. The only other move that would interest me is 4...d5.  Anway, going off topic.

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Reply #162 - 11/02/05 at 08:57:12
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John,

Thanks, I usually play 2...Nf6, but the Susan Polgar article on the Urusov that appeared in Chess Life (in the US) has scared some club players away from it.  Polgar admits the Urusov doesn't give White an advantage against a well-prepared opponent in the introduction to her article, but she gives quite a bit of analysis by Chess Life standards to the opening.  I guess I should just advise my students to bite the bullet and play 2.Nf3 or learn the transpositions.
  
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Smyslov_Fan, your post is in exactly the right thread. 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Nc6 or 2.Bc4 Nc6 3.f4 exf4 is the Duras Defence of the King's Bishop Gambit - one of the most important ones. TJ gives a lot of new ideas and fresh analysis in his book.
  

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Hello,

I am learning this stuff too, so not 100% on the answer. If transposing to King's Gambit after 2...Nc6 is good, as seems likely, then a easy fix is 2...Nf6. Can easily fit in Nc6 later. Maybe there is some problem if student is not playing the two knights?

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I'm sure this is answered elsewhere, perhaps even in this thread but I didn't see it so....

When White plays the Urusov move order: 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4  and Black responds with 2...Nc6, does White get any special advantage by switching to the KG with 3.f4?  I haven't researched this line for any independent significance, but it cropped up in one of my student's games recently.  Thanks for your help!
  
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I've now seen Bücker's review, and since someone asked about the Nordwalder ca 5 pages back in this thread, I should perhaps mention that his new mainline is 2...Qf6 3.Nc3 Qxf4 4.d4 Qf6'!?' claiming black is OK after 5.dxe5

[5.Nf3 exd4 6.Nd5 was played in the latest practical outing i.e. Zill,C-Vonach,B Augsburg 2001 1-0, 38.

and

5...Bb4 6.dxe5 in Anderson Renard (USA)-Standig Joshua King's Gambit Tmt, SF 1994 1-0, 23. Unfortunately, the review doesn't mention what black should play after 5.Nf3. Anyone here with Kaissiber 19? ]

5...Qxe5N

[5...Qg6 was seen in Halasz,T-Hector,J Ballerup 1985 1-0,57]

6.Nf3 Qe7 7.Bc4 Nc6'!' - is a suggestion from Narciso in Kaissiber 19.

One line from Bücker's review then goes: 8.Bf4 d6 (the natural 8...Nf6? 9.Ng5 ends in a pretty mate at move 18! Grin ) 9.Nd5 Qd7 etc.

In my opinion white has obvious compensation for the pawn at the very least, and frankly I can't understand why anyone would want to play this as black. ??? Apparently, no one has either...
  
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TalJechin seems to be too busy to investigate this indeep - or he is still tired of writing an excellent book - so we thought it wise to post this game here. My thought is, that TJ underestimates the move Nc6 a bit. If Black exchanges on c3 and blockades square c4, then Bb3 is out of play and the doubled pawns are an enduring weakness.
Any comments?


Well, after 7...Nc6 white has replied 8.Bxf4 every time in practice. But 8...Bb4N may be an indicator that 8.Nf3 or 8.Nge2 are more precise move orders - especially since an early ...Nc6 is not the most precise move order for black in the Fischer or Silverman Short Gambits...  Roll Eyes

Btw, in the game, I think 14.Qd3 (supporting pawn-d4 and intending c3-c4) is an improvement.

During the work on the FKG, I actually considered 7...Bb4 and 8...Nc6 (even though I had completely forgot about MNb's game) but concluded that Nc6 in those positions were not contributing much to the plan of: ...Be6, ...Qc7, ...Nbd7-b6, i.e. overprotecting square-c4 and then attacking pawn-c3 with ...Ne4 and/or piling up along the c-file with Rc8 etc.
- But a 7/8...Nc6 blocks the c-file and allows a potential Bg5 pin...

So in conclusion, I don't really see why this game would be the reason to abandon the KG!
Maybe it's MNb's Spielmann devotion that cause him to see a Krankenlager in every loss?! ???


By the way, German visitors here curious about the FKG and recent reviews of it, can check the latest issue (21) of Kaissiber for Stefan Bücker's opinion on it.

And Hartmut Metz reviewed it in Rochade Europa in the October issue. This review will probably soon be available on the Rochade Kuppenheim site too: http://www.rochadekuppenheim.de/
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It has been a few years, since I have played the King's Bishop Gambit for the last time. This game made me abandon it - temporarily I hope. Here it is:

Nieuweboer,M - Fuzishawa,R [C33]
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1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Lc4 Pf6 4.Pc3 c6 5.Lb3 d5 6.exd5 cxd5 7.d4 Pc6 8.Lxf4 Lb4 9.Pge2 Lg4 10.0-0 Lxc3 11.bxc3 0-0 12.h3 Lxe2 13.Dxe2 Pe4 14.Df3 f5 15.Tae1 Dd7 16.c4 Pxd4 17.Dd3 Pxb3 18.cxb3 d4 19.Le5 Tad8 20.Td1 Pc3 21.Td2 Tfe8 22.Txf5 g6 23.Tg5 Dc6 24.Df5 Pe4 25.Txd4 Pxg5 26.Dxg5 Txd4 27.Lxd4 Dd6 28.Lc3 b6 29.a3 De7 30.Dd5+ De6 31.Dxe6+ Txe6 32.Kf2 Kf7 33.Kf3 Td6 34.Ke2 Ke6 35.g4 g5 36.b4 Kd7 0-1

Black is a strong corr player from Brasil. Of course I should have been sensible and gone for a draw. Two improvements are:

12.Lg5 De8 13.Lxf6 Dxe2 14.Dxe2 Lxe2 15.Tfe1 Lg4 16.Lh4 Le6
which looks very equal to me; Black will play the knight to c4.

9.Pf3 De7+ 10.Pe5 Pe4 11.0-0 Pxc3 12.bxc3 Lxc3 13.Lxd5 Lxd4+ 14.Kh1 0-0 15.Pxc6 bxc6 16.Lxc6 Lxa1 17.Lxa8 La6 18.Ld6 De2 19.Dxe2 Lxe2 20.Te1 Txa8 21.Txe2 is also dead equal.

But we do not play the KG to accept an early draw, do we? So in the best tradition of my hero I unwisely took the gamble and lost. Black's eight move was a novelty, compare the FKG on page 34. Looking for other possibilities, I set my eyes on page 47: 5.Nf3 d5 6.exd5 cxd5 7.Bb3 Nc6 (passive on page 34, but not on page 47) 8.d4 Bb4?! (Bd6 transposes to page 41) 9.o-o (in stead of 9.Bxf4, which transposes to my last line) o-o 10.Bxf4 (only now!) and White has chances for an advantage.
So my conclusion is, that White must develope first and only then take back the pawn.

TalJechin seems to be too busy to investigate this indeep - or he is still tired of writing an excellent book - so we thought it wise to post this game here.My thought is, that TJ underestimates the move Nc6 a bit. If Black exchanges on c3 and blockades square c4, then Bb3 is out of play and the doubled pawns are an enduring weakness.
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Reply #155 - 08/21/05 at 08:10:25
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Sorry, you're right. VISA Electron can't be used for online purchase - only in a store with a cardreader.

- I had to upgrade my own card when paying trafford for the printing...
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The FKG can be bought online at http://www.trafford.com/robots/04-2455.html - VISA, MasterCard or Cheque are available, but doesn't show until you've selected shipping, country etc and click on "I'm Ready To Pay"

and if you mean the Creative Aggressor, it's probably still available online at New in Chess (or at its publisher, Kania schachverlag, but probably not online).


Visa Electron seems not to be usable at trafford.com.

I mean FKG.
  
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Can this book be bought online somewhere using Visa Electron?


The FKG can be bought online at http://www.trafford.com/robots/04-2455.html - VISA, MasterCard or Cheque are available, but doesn't show until you've selected shipping, country etc and click on "I'm Ready To Pay"

and if you mean the Creative Aggressor, it's probably still available online at New in Chess (or at its publisher, Kania schachverlag, but probably not online).
  
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       Does anyone in the states still sell the
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      I have an order on the way for the
Fascinating Kings Gambit!!! Grin Roll Eyes
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ps do many people play e5 against you? Cheesy


Thanks! Cheesy

I'm not all that informed about the US book market, but maybe www.chessville.com still has it?

Over the board I usually get 1...e6 or 1...c5 80-90% of the games. Though when I'm playing abroad 1...e5 is more common.

On the net nowadays, I get to see 1...d6 rather frequently, probably because they got tired of my anti-french and anti-sicilian... Grin
  
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Gringreetings,
       Does anyone in the states still sell the
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Fascinating Kings Gambit!!! Grin Roll Eyes
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I've only just noticed the great Bob Dylan line in your signature?  Is it a new addition?  Very nice!



Thanks! It's been there a while by now, but relatively new I'spose.

But the main man in quotations must be Smyslov_Fan who changes quite often. For instance, I really liked his 'Outside a dog'-quote from Groucho Marx, though it has already been replaced by others several times...


Btw, since Michael graciously allowed me to publish his article/review, you can read it here:

http://hem.passagen.se/tjmisha/om_b%F8ger.pdf
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I've only just noticed the great Bob Dylan line in your signature?  Is it a new addition?  Very nice!
  

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I also hope, that NIC will keep on ignoring the FKG. It might net me some cheap points.
  

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Thanks again for the nice review! Cheesy

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Anyway I hope someone will write the guys at NIC a letter correcting this. Perhaps I will do it myself, but I hardly want to waste more time with them. 


Why not let them find out for themselves? Grin They should have it available since they've started selling it in their shop...

-Btw, to my surprise the FKG seems to have gone straight into their top ten sellers list (sixth place)! Cheesy

Congratulations on the 2½ / 3 - will be interesting to see in next TWIC issue I suppose. It seems the KG awakens in the summer, this week's TWIC had 18! KGs if I remember correctly.
  
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Yes, sorry Thomas!

I finished the article a few months ago, but since then the student's final exams and a summer chess tournament came by.
Have just sent you an email copy of the review.

I also saw the article in NIC YB 75 and was most surprised to see the total ignorance of your book, in favour of references to McDonald's tome. Where were the editors? It only took me 30 seconds to discover a few significant improvements over the article.
Anyway I hope someone will write the guys at NIC a letter correcting this. Perhaps I will do it myself, but I hardly want to waste more time with them.

P.S.
The King's Gambit gave me 2½/3 in Open Barbera del Valles 2005. I had 2...exf4 3.Nf3 Nc6 (1-0), 2...exf4 3.Nf3 d5 (1-0) and 2...d5 3.exd5 exf4 4.Nf3 (½-½) so noone dared venture 3...g5.
  
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Dragonslayer, any news about this? (I suppose you meant email and not snailmail, as I moved  in 2001 so the address in the Creative Agressor isn't valid anymore, but you should know that already as you've been here...)
  
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I haven't seen the article you mention, but isn't it clear from my book (I thought you had a copy?!) that I distrust 5.e5 due to 6...Bg4! - ???


I'm embarassed to say that I haven't yet purchased a copy, but I do intend to.
  

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Reply #142 - 07/15/05 at 10:28:46
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I haven't seen the article you mention, but isn't it clear from my book (I thought you had a copy?!) that I distrust 5.e5 due to 6...Bg4! - ???
  
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Reply #141 - 07/15/05 at 09:41:14
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Taljechin,

Did you see the article on 1. e4 e5  2. f4 exf4  3. Bc4 Nc6 in the latest NIC yearbook?  It claims that 4. d4 Nf6  5. e5 d5  6. Bb3 Bg4 is better for Black.

I would be curious to know what your opinion is.

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Reply #140 - 06/28/05 at 10:44:15
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I can't find 8.Bxc6+ mentioned anywhere (can anyone else?), but I think it deserves further tests since the alternative 8.Qe2 Bf5 9.Ng5 d3! gives Black good play (as seen in the FKG).

Mind you, the line with 4...cxd5 is probably quite rare, and 5.fxe5 d4 6.Ne4! is strong for White anyway.


I've forgot to search until now, but did find one game, though it may not be very helpful...

But, as you mention, 6.Ne4 is at least good enough... Cheesy


Boersma,P - Schaufelberger,H [C31]
EU-ch U18 sf 6768 Groningen (3), 28.12.1967

1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 c6 4.Nc3 cxd5 5.fxe5 d4 6.Bb5+ Nc6 7.Ne4 Qd5 8.Bxc6+ Qxc6 9.d3 Bf5 10.Ne2 Bxe4 11.dxe4 Bc5 12.Qd3 Ne7 13.Nxd4 Bxd4 14.Qxd4 Qxc2 15.0-0 Nc6 16.Qd6 Rd8 17.Qa3 Qxe4 18.Bg5 Rd3 19.Qc5 Qd5 20.b4 h6 21.Bf4 Qd4+ 22.Kh1 Qxb4 23.Qxb4 Nxb4 24.Rab1 a5 25.Rf3 Rxf3 26.gxf3 0-0 27.Bd2 Nc6 28.Rb5 Rd8 29.Bxa5 Ra8 30.Bc3 Rxa2 31.e6 fxe6 32.Rxb7 e5 33.f4 Nd4 34.fxe5 Nf3 35.Bb2 Kf8 36.e6 g5 37.Rf7+ Ke8 38.Rxf3 Rxb2 39.Rf6 h5 40.Rf5 Ke7 ½-½

  
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Reply #139 - 05/26/05 at 14:47:31
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Against Hebden, was this a 4NCL, Simul or ICC game?

The reason why I ask is that I have noticed Hebden playing the Elephant quite a lot in blitz games on ICC recently and was curious as to whether one of these games was yours.

It was from a weekend Congress in Nottingham. The Opening was a Scotch - no Elephants on parade this time (good job too as I probably wouldn't have remembered what to do against it)! Grin

I've played the KG twice OTB against Hebden (in 2001 & 2002), losing both times! Of course that has more to do with our relative playing strengths than the viability of the KG. I actually had reasonable positions out of the opening both times - the first was a Cunningham; and I tried something different on move 8 in the second (a quickplay game):

1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 c6 4.Nc3 cxd5 5.Bb5+ Nc6 6.fxe5 d4 7.Ne4 Qd5 8.Bxc6+!? bxc6 9.Qe2 Bf5 10.d3 Bb4+ 11.Bd2 Bxe4 12.Qxe4 Bxd2+ 13.Kxd2 Qa5+ 14.Ke2 Ne7 15.Nf3 0–0 16.Kf2 Rab8 17.Rhb1 Rfd8 18.Kg1 Qc5 19.Ng5? Ng6 20.Rf1? Qxe5 21.Nxf7? Qxe4 22.dxe4 Rd7 23.Ng5 h6 24.Ne6 Rxb2 25.Rab1? Rxc2 26.Rb8+ Kh7 27.Rff8? Re7 28.Rh8+? Nxh8 29.Nf8+ Kg8 30.Ng6+ Kf7 31.Nxe7 Kxe7 32.Rxh8 d3 33.Kf1 Rc1+ 34.Kf2 d2 White resigned. 0–1

I played well for 18 moves then went nuts. What was I doing? ???

I can't find 8.Bxc6+ mentioned anywhere (can anyone else?), but I think it deserves further tests since the alternative 8.Qe2 Bf5 9.Ng5 d3! gives Black good play (as seen in the FKG). Mind you, the line with 4...cxd5 is probably quite rare, and 5.fxe5 d4 6.Ne4! is strong for White anyway. Undecided
  
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Reply #138 - 05/26/05 at 06:39:27
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How about making it available as a PDF that could be sold on line e.g. using PayPal, like the theory "packs" in Spanish sold by Edami at

http://www.ajedrez21.com

Alternatively, once the paper sales have begun to decline significantly, you could market the original database (preferably updated) plus explanatory "texts" either through e.g. Chessbase or privately, like e.g.

http://www.schachmaterialien.de

Just ideas - probably you've considered these already.


Well, the trouble with pdf is 1) that the program is rather expensive, about 400 euros last time I checked and 2) that digital files soon end up on the different filesharer sites/nets...

Besides, I like books! Cheesy


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I have an ongoing game with the Adelaide Var. 1.e4 e5 2.f4 Nc6 3.Nf3 f5 4.ef e4 5.Ne5 Nf6 6.Nc3 Qe7 7.Ng4 Nh5 8.Bc4...? I am Black.


Hmm, so you really like 7...Nh5? ???

I lost a game against it in Cork against an IM, Gavin Wall, who came up with a bunch of pawns sacs that I had really underestimated...

- Anyway, the following few rounds I had to 'endure' a lot of people suggesting strong improvements for white... Personally, I'd go for 8.g3 but 8.Bc4 was suggested to me by Palliser, and fritz seems to fancy 8.Nd5; and all seem quite good for white...

Btw, I think I spotted another reader in the latest TWIC, giving the Metz Attack an outing, with a quick win as result. Cheesy

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The content is good though I am a bit disapointed in the flimsiness of the front cover.


As stated earlier in the thread, there's not much I can do about the coverpaper. The only choice was 'laminated cover or not', but I'll mention it to the people at trafford and in time they might be able to improve this...


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Based on what was said here, a Repertoire book would have cut down on the size significantly.

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A full repertoire book would indeed be tempting, then I could recommend some other fun variations / gambits as well, instead of the mandatory solid lines like  1...c5 2.c3/Nc3 and 1...e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5.

That is, some other openings you wouldn't approve! Grin
  
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Reply #137 - 05/25/05 at 18:11:11
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Based on what was said here, a Repertoire book would have cut down on the size significantly.

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Reply #136 - 05/25/05 at 17:51:40
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I own the book and have for several weeks. The content is good though I am a bit disapointed in the flimsiness of the front cover. I have an ongoing game with the Adelaide Var. e4 e5--f4 Nc6--Nf3 f5--ef e4--Ne5 Nf6--Nc3 Qe7--Ng4 Nh5--Bc4...? I am Black. And I have another ongoing game with the Present Main Line with the following moves page 39 a var, up to move 14 hg and his move.
  
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Reply #135 - 05/25/05 at 08:18:46
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I've been toying with the idea of distilling the material into some kind of simpler and cheaper guidebook to the KG, or just 3.Bc4, to reach the masses Cheesy since so far I haven't noticed any big increase in the number of C33s in the weekly TWIC game download. But at the moment I doubt it would be economically viable...  Undecided


How about making it available as a PDF that could be sold on line e.g. using PayPal, like the theory "packs" in Spanish sold by Edami at

http://www.ajedrez21.com

Alternatively, once the paper sales have begun to decline significantly, you could market the original database (preferably updated) plus explanatory "texts" either through e.g. Chessbase or privately, like e.g.

http://www.schachmaterialien.de

Just ideas - probably you've considered these already.
  
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Reply #134 - 05/25/05 at 03:54:10
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When I played 2.Nf3 against Mark Hebden recently, he said, "Probably a wise decision - it took me 12 years to realise that 2.f4 was a mistake!". I guess Hebden stuck with 3.Nf3 though when he played the KG back in the 80s. Still, it was a great result for me to draw the game, so I'd better not play 2.Nf3 for too long or I won't want to come back!


Well, with 2.f4 you could've gone for the full point! Wink

Hebden is still on my favourite KG-players list (I think I've seen somewhere that it was he who taught Gallagher the KG, as a result of paying off a poker debt?! Anyway, he thought him well!)

Still, Hebden isn't immune to the KG magic, as Hillarp Persson beat him with the KG a few years ago when he had just started playing the Bishop's gambit. (Though sadly, THP seems to have gone back to the darkish side and his beloved 1.d4) Sad

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Haven't got round to learning enough of the 3.Bc4 stuff yet, so 2.f4 is still on a pit-stop at the moment!


Well, I know that a thick book like the FKG can be a bit discouraging. It's probably a good idea to go through it a little at a time instead of going for cover to cover in 2 weeks... Or why not try it out in blitz and check up what to do if something goes/feels wrong? In blitz you quickly get a picture of what you know and what to improve, and though a blitz loss may not sting as hard a real game loss, it can still be a good motivator! Cheesy

I've been toying with the idea of distilling the material into some kind of simpler and cheaper guidebook to the KG, or just 3.Bc4, to reach the masses Cheesy since so far I haven't noticed any big increase in the number of C33s in the weekly TWIC game download. But at the moment I doubt it would be economically viable...  Undecided
  
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Reply #133 - 05/24/05 at 21:12:01
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Against Hebden, was this a 4NCL, Simul or ICC game?

The reason why I ask is that I have noticed Hebden playing the Elephant quite a lot in blitz games on ICC recently and was curious as to whether one of these games was yours.

By the way, welcome back from the dark side of the force.

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Reply #132 - 05/24/05 at 19:21:48
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Whoops - I didn't realise that this was already a known idea! I haven't got your Creative Agressor book, but it sounds like someone I know would have done well to invest in a copy... Smiley

Haven't got round to learning enough of the 3.Bc4 stuff yet, so 2.f4 is still on a pit-stop at the moment! When I played 2.Nf3 against Mark Hebden recently, he said, "Probably a wise decision - it took me 12 years to realise that 2.f4 was a mistake!". I guess Hebden stuck with 3.Nf3 though when he played the KG back in the 80s. Still, it was a great result for me to draw the game, so I'd better not play 2.Nf3 for too long or I won't want to come back! Shocked
  
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Reply #131 - 05/23/05 at 19:09:30
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I think I mentioned that 13.Rh3! already in the Creative Aggressor,,, yes p 38! Cheesy If it's not in the FKG I guess I must've cut it during last summer's manuscript slaughter... Cry

Not sure what the lesson is though, 1) do your homework!-? or 2) look for beautiful tactics when you play sharp openings!-?

Maybe he'll change back once he loses horribly after 1.c4,?! Or when you start racking up pretty wins with the ol' KG! Cheesy
  
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Reply #130 - 05/23/05 at 18:35:13
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Nimzowitsch Counter Gambit
In an attempt to get this thread back on track, here's one example of the surprises to be found lurking in the King's Gambit.
(Based on a game played by a team-mate of mine):

1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 c6 4.Nc3 exf4 5.Nf3 Bd6 6.d4 Ne7 7.Bc4 O-O 8.O-O Bg4 9.dxc6 Nbxc6 10.Ne4 Rc8. At this point, White knew that the right move was supposed to be 11.c3 (a view supported in The FKG), but became paranoid about tactical possibilities based on a discovered attack on the c4-bishop, e.g. 11.c3 Bxf3 12.Rxf3 (or 12.Qxf3 Nxd4 13.cxd4 Rxc4 =+) 12...Ne5 13.dxe5 Bc5+ (ouch!) 14.Be3 Bxe3+ 15.Rxe3 fxe3 =+. So some other 11th move was played, and White lost horribly.

The game was enough to turn my team-mate over to the dark side with 1.c4 Shocked, but he was stunned when I (or should I say Fritz) pointed out the following possibility:

11.c3 Bxf3 12.Rxf3 (actually 12.Qxf3 Nxd4 13.Qd3! is OK) 12...Ne5 13.Rh3! (what is White up to?) 13...Nxc4 (13...Rxc4 meets a similar fate) 14.Nf6+!! gxf6 (forced) 15.Qh5! and Black cannot prevent mate despite being two pieces up!, i.e. 15...Re8 16.Qxh7+ Kf8 17.Qh6+ Kg8 18.Qh8# 1-0. This combination shows Black's 11th and 12th moves to be flawed (11...Bb8 is better as given in The FKG, although White should be able to achieve a slight edge).

Unfortunately it wasn't enough to change his mind about playing the KG. Cry
  
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Reply #129 - 05/16/05 at 18:40:04
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Sorry Paul! Of course the credit goes to you!

No worries! Grin

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About 5...d6 I will reveal as much:

If playing a stronger opponent, he will have to choose whether to allow me a draw (5...d6) or play for a win (5...Nf6)
Playing a weaker opponent who goes for the draw with 5...d6, I will choose between giving him the draw or playing for a risky win (9.Bb5+) or a safe alternative (d3 lines). Alternatively White can avoid the issue and play 3.Bc4! But this is WHITE's choice.

An intriguing post this one, leaving us rummaging around for a variation where 9.Bb5+ is possible! ??? Actually I appreciate that Michael doesn't want to reveal too much here. Although I personally have lost faith in White's position after 5...d6, I appreciate that the line could work at the right occasion against the right opponent. Nevertheless, I prefer to stick to openings I feel comfortable with regardless of the circumstances.
  
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Reply #128 - 05/12/05 at 10:01:06
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Sorry Paul! Of course the credit goes to you!

About 5...d6 I will reveal as much:

If playing a stronger opponent, he will have to choose whether to allow me a draw (5...d6) or play for a win (5...Nf6)
Playing a weaker opponent who goes for the draw with 5...d6, I will choose between giving him the draw or playing for a risky win (9.Bb5+) or a safe alternative (d3 lines). Alternatively White can avoid the issue and play 3.Bc4! But this is WHITE's choice.
  
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Reply #127 - 05/07/05 at 13:18:54
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Concerning 10...Kf8 I think Craig Evans presented some very nice analysis from White's perspective in a previous thread.

Or was it me? Grin After 10...Kf8 11.Re1 Qxh4, I recommended 12.Ne4!. In fact, the whole Kieseritzky Gambit thread is worth looking at again if you're interested in these lines:

http://altmax.com/cgi-local/cpf/YaBB.cgi?board=1-1e4e5;action=display;num=108746...

(Dare I mention the Death of King's Gambit thread? What a marathon!)
http://altmax.com/cgi-local/cpf/YaBB.cgi?board=1-1e4e5;action=display;num=105165...

So 10.Kd2 still looks promising, whereas both FightingDragon and I have our doubts about 10.Bb5+. However, this is all just a walk in the park compared to the troubles White faces after 5...d6:

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As for 5...d6 I prefer to be silent, but I can assure you that I am not discouraged by the Fedorov-Carlsen game, even though I was the one who published that exact line for Black.

I can't help thinking that no news is bad news! It's difficult to see how White might improve here (and boy we've tried!). In order to avoid undesirable positions, the draw by repetition seems to be the only way out, e.g. 5...d6 6.Nxg4 Nf6 7.Nxf6+ Qxf6 8.Nc3 Nc6 9.Nd5 Qg6 10.d3 (or 10.Qf3 Nd4 11.Qd3 Ne6 12.Qf3 Nd4 ½-½) 10...Qg3+ 11.Kd2 Nb4 12.Nxc7+ Kd8 13.Nxa8 Qe3+ 14.Kc3 Qc5+ 15.Kd2 Qe3+ ½-½ [see CCN 45]

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10.Qd3 of Borge-Olsen should be met by 10...Rg3 11.Qc4 Bd7 when I think the chances are even. If I remember correctly this was also covered in a previous thread.

I'm not convinced about White's prospects here - after 11...Bd7 it's hard to see a good move for White, and Black may be "threatening" a repetition with 12...Na5 13.Qb4/Qe2 Nc6 14.Qc4, etc.

Personally, I feel very uneasy about playing lines that give the opponent the opportunity to take a draw. Admittedly, if you're the weaker player this might not matter, but it's not good preparation for those occasions when, unlike your opponent, you want to play for a win. Isn't one of the main points of 2.f4 to avoid those boring draws that might arise from, say, the Petroff? Hence 2...exf4 3.Bc4! is something of a lifeline for people like me who used to enjoy playing 3.Nf3 until 5...d6 spoilt the fun.
  
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Reply #126 - 05/04/05 at 10:00:39
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Btw I have done a review of the book in a small local magazine, will mail it to you once it is published.


Thanks, looking forward to seeing it! Cheesy

Anyway, it's nice that there seems to be some life left in the Kieseritzky, but personally I think white has more to choose from after 3.Bc4 while black is the one with more choices after 5.Ne5.

If I needed a 2nd string vs 1...e5 I might consider it if it wasn't so that nowadays I usually face 1...e6 or 1...c5 about 80-90% of the time, so why bother!?!  Undecided

Many players have lots of opinions about the ol' KG but when push comes to shove their defence turns out to be similar to the best defence against the atom bomb, i.e.

'not being there when it goes off!' Cheesy Grin
  
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Reply #125 - 05/04/05 at 07:56:50
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TopNotch, I think we have covered this ground, can we agree to disagree?
What I do for changing up the game is switch between the King's Knight gambit and the Bishop's gambit, now that I have Thomas' excellent work.
Btw I have done a review of the book in a small local magazine, will mail it to you once it is published.
As for the predecessor game with 10.Kd2 I was well aware of it, it is covered briefly in one of my CCN articles.
Concerning 10...Kf8 I think Craig Evans presented some very nice analysis from White's perspective in a previous thread.
As for 5...d6 I prefer to be silent, but I can assure you that I am not discouraged by the Fedorov-Carlsen game, even though I was the one who published that exact line for Black. Anyway, there are lots of openings where both sides have the chance for a draw but prefer not to take it (stuff like Qa5, Bd2, Qd8, Bg5) in favour of playing a real game. So if some IM or GM wants a draw with Black against me, they can have it  Wink
10.Qd3 of Borge-Olsen should be met by 10...Rg3 11.Qc4 Bd7 when I think the chances are even. If I remember correctly this was also covered in a previous thread.
  
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Reply #124 - 05/03/05 at 22:58:00
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TopNotch is repeating himself. Moreover it seems as if he assumes, that KGeers only play all kind of gambits, which is not true of course.
His first sentence contains a contradictio in terminis. The statement, that gambit play is addictive I do not understand. I would say, that a few losses is enough to be cured. I only needed two, to abandon the Albin's.
  
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Reply #123 - 05/03/05 at 19:13:06
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If u r going to play the Kings Gambit exclusively u better have a back up handy, or u will be dissapointed.  Grin

I see Fernando is now working on Kinderman's Exchange Ruy an excellent choice and an excellent book. Still as Khaliman said in the preface to his vol 1 Anand series, anyone who uses only the Exchange Ruy will only be half educated in chess Wink.

This thread has taken on a life of its own and from perusing it TalJechin has produced an important addition to the theoretical works, I applaud you. From the postings your passion for the gambit shines through. But I don't know why I always feel compelled, to respond when ever someone tries to extoll the virtues of Gambits, kings Gambit or Gambit play in general.

I fully understand that this is a pro Kings Gambit thread, so I will make my comments brief. If u must play gambits please do not do at the expense of all else, your chess understanding and results will eventually suffer as a result. I too like Kramnik never understood the Kings Gambit, yes White may get two pawns in the centre, but at what price! His Kings position is weakened and he he is a pawn down to boot.

Gambit play is highly addictive, but in the cold light of day the Burden of proof is always heavily on the Gambiteer.

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Reply #122 - 05/03/05 at 09:15:30
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Oops, I forgot 5. ... d6!? (I think you were talking about this, Fernando?!)
So what's wrong with 6.Ng4: Nf6 7.Nf2!? Rg8 8.Nc3 Nc6 9.d4 Bh6 10.Qd3!? as in Borge-Olsen, 1999 ?
In the game black quickly got a worse position after 10. ... Bd7 (perhaps too peaceful) 11.Ne2 Qe7 12.Bf4: Bf4: 13.Nf4: Bf5 14.0-0-0 Be4: 15.Qh3 d5 16.Re1 with a white initiative which lead to a endgame where he was a pawn up.
Jensen also gives the plausible 10. ... Rg3 11.Qc4 Qe7 12.Bd2
+= , I agree with that assesment.
So did I overlook something, is there an improvement for black?
  
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Reply #121 - 05/03/05 at 09:00:26
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Dear Fernando,
would you mind posting your game with 10.Bb5?  Grin
So far I' ve analysed the position after 9.Nc3 Qe7 a bit and came to the conclusion that 10.Kd2 could be the best move (if
not objectively, then at least for shocking value Shocked). I read Michael Jensen's article in CCNews and it all sounds convincing, except for 10.Kd2 Kf8!? as given by Buecker. Perhaps white can improve by 11.Re1!?
Concerning 10.Bb5, I thought it to give black the better chances after 10. ... c6 11.dc6: bc6: 12.Nd5 Qe6.
The piece sacrifice suggested by Jensen 13.0-0!? from my point of view doesn't give white enough compensation after 13. ... cb5: 14.Nf4: Nf4: 15.Bf4: 0-0!
And  13. Nc7+ leads to a position with queen against three minor pieces, on his website TalJechin had a look at it.
Play continues 13. ... Bc7: 14.Bc4 Qe7 15.Bf7:+ Qf7: 16.Nf7: Kf7: 17.0-0.
Fritz likes that position for white but as I went deeper into the position (once with Fritz and another time analysing with an IM) I came to the conclusion that if black gets his pieces out (which I think he manages with exact play), soon white is the one who has to defend against a dangerous attack. I can't "refute" TalJechins analysis now,
but if I remember correctly (it was over a year ago) black should play something like 17. ... Nd7!? 18.Qg4: Ndf6 19.Qf3 Bd7 20.Re1 Rhe8 21.Bd2 when TalJechin thinks white should advance his queenside majority and his chances are preferable. Instead of 20. ... The8
20. ... Thg8!? is interesting with the idea to start play on the g-file immediately. With white's queenside still dormant
I think it's rather him than black who should be careful.
  
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I had analysed 10.Kd2 in the past and thought it was no good, but I have been convincingly beaten with 10.Bb5 in a thematic KG tournament (e-mail). I failed to come with an answer to 6...d6 though (Fedorov-Carlssen 2004 looks as best for white). As usual in the KG, fighting for a draw...

Interesting line, for sure
  

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Reply #119 - 05/02/05 at 12:03:24
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Nice idea that 10.Kd2!?, something of an improved Rice Gambit considering the Re1 pin... Cheesy

I'm not sure if you're aware of the predecessor but there's actually an earlier game with 10.Kd2, i.e:


Jerez Perez,A (2300) - Estrada Nieto,J (2340) [C39]
Barbera op Barbera (5), 1997

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ne5 Nf6 6.Bc4 d5 7.exd5 Bd6 8.d4 Nh5 9.Nc3 Qe7 10.Kd2 Bxe5 11.Re1 Nd7 12.Qxg4 Ndf6 13.Qg5 Bd6 14.Rxe7+ Kxe7 15.Qh6 Rg8 16.Bd3 Kd8 17.Ne4 Bf8 18.Qxf6+ Nxf6 19.Nxf6 Rxg2+ 20.Kc3 Rg1 21.Nxh7 Be7 22.Ng5 Bxg5 23.hxg5 f3 24.g6 fxg6 25.Bf1 f2 26.Kd3 Bf5+ 27.Ke2 Bxc2 28.Kxf2 Rg4 29.Be3 Bf5 30.Be2 Re4 31.Bf3 Re8 32.Bf4 Kd7 33.Rc1 Rac8 34.Be5 Rf8 35.Kg3 g5 36.Rc3 a6 37.Rb3 Rb8 38.Rc3 Rbc8 39.Rb3 g4 40.Bg2 Rb8 41.Rc3 Rbc8 42.Rb3 Rb8 43.Rc3 Rbc8 ½-½
  
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Reply #118 - 05/02/05 at 10:28:26
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Ok guys

I did not intend to publish this game but here it is:

Jensen-NN, Danish Ch 2005.

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ne5 Nf6 6.Bc4 d5 7.ed5 Bd6 8.d4 Nh5 9.Nc3! Qe7 10.Kd2!? Here it is. I can assure you that the kibbitzers understood nothing. 10...Bxe5 11.Re1 0-0 (I had only prepared specific variations for 11...f6) 12.dxe5 (12.Rxe5 Qxh4 13.Ne4 intending Rxh5 looks clever but 13...Nd7 spoils the fun) Qc5 (12...Qxh4 13.Ne4 with the threat of returning the rook to h1 is dangerous for Black) 13.Bd3 Ng3 14.Ne4 (forced) Nxe4 15.Rxe4 Qxd5 16.Qf1! Only with this move does White gain compensation. 16...f5? (16...Nd7 w/idea Nc5 looks about even) after making his move my opponent resigned as he thought he had dropped his queen to 17.Bc4 not realizing that Bc4 is illegal. A very strange experience which unfortunately spoils the game but perhaps I will send it to the Informator guys anyway. 17.exf6 is +/-

Maybe there is still some life in the old KG!? And what would I have done against 5...d6, well that is a question for next time...  Wink
  
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Reply #117 - 04/29/05 at 09:04:24
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In my opinion everything on the advantages and disadvantages on 2.f4 has been said by now. That Alumbrado and I do not agree is clear and normal.
  

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Reply #116 - 04/29/05 at 08:25:41
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Alas, this discussion is a bit off topic indeed... But it's not an uninteresting side topic! Cheesy

Though I'm not sure exactly which wing gambit we're comparing with or if it's just generally a b4 sac in any variation?

As I stated earlier, I don't believe in the wing gambit proper i.e. 1.e4 c5 2.b4 but 2.a3!? with the positional idea of opening the a-file is interesting as white does get a lot of piece activity in most lines and still retains the option of not playing b4 vs for example 2...g6!?

The French Wing gambit 1.e4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e5 c5 4.b4 is perhaps slightly unsound but in OTB practice I'd say white probably has enough play for the pawn.

The main difference between the KG and WGs in my opinion is that the KG is much more dynamic as threat and counter threat flow naturally in most lines, while WGs usually take awhile before the 'real' play takes off as both sides develop without much concrete threats, and white has a systemlike approach in many lines....

But maybe this discussion could be moved to General Chess or at least continued  there?  Undecided
  
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Reply #115 - 04/29/05 at 06:51:11
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Well, I have seen a few KG games where White has ended up getting mated on the kingside or caught in the crossfire in the middle of the board (I admit that Black doesn't often get mated directly in the Dutch, although that doesn't mean his king position is not a worry for him).
I agree though, both the KG and the Wing Gambit have pluses and minuses.  I was disputing merely the idea that the KG was based on a sound positional idea and that (by implication) the Wing Gambit was not.  Again, this does not mean that they are both sound, and it may well be that the KG is objectively better than the Wing Gambit - fact is, though, we will probably never find out for sure!  Undecided
Right, I'll shut up now as this is veering off topic!  Lips Sealed
  

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As Alumbrado's opinion on the f-pawn is supported by greats like Wch Petrosjan and GM Mednis, it is rather arrogant to contradict him. But still I have two closely related questions:
1. How many games after 1.e4 e5 2.f4 do end with a vicious Black attack?
2. How many games after 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 do end with a vicious White attack?

The answer is: only a few. So my conclusion is, that both openings may have some disadvantages and risks, but that the weakening of the king's position is overrated.
I cannot be hard for Alumbrado to guess what my favourite answer was against the Ruy Lopez.
  
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Reply #113 - 04/28/05 at 08:58:43
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@MNb: There are certainly advantages to the King's Gambit over the Wing Gambit, but you fail to mention the disadvantages: for one, White's king is considerably safer in the Wing Gambit.  We know that you think nothing of weakening your king's position with an early thrust of the f-pawn (with either colour) but some of us are not so "courageous"!!  Wink
  

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Reply #112 - 04/28/05 at 07:31:42
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I think it was Short in his Daily Telegraph column that mentioned that Kramnik found the Evans Gambit quite logical but simply couldn't comprehend the King's Gambit... (which I can understand - since it's not easy to bore the opponent into a draw within 20 moves in the KG, despite that there *are* many forced draws! Grin )

The Wing gambit proper 1.e4 c5 2.b4 is not to my liking - I've only played it once and then I won so it's not completely toothless...  -  but the van Duijn / Bezgodov with 2.a3!? is quite interesting I think. The concrete variations may not be too similar (though there is a KG hybrid available after 2...e5 3.f4 or 3.Nc3, 4.Bc4, 5.d3 & f4) but the general ambition certainly is! Cheesy

  
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Reply #111 - 04/28/05 at 06:26:39
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There is quite a difference between a Black pawn on b4, hampering development of White's queen's knight, and a Black pawn on f4, inviting Black to weaken his queenside further. In the King's Gambit Accepted White has two centre pawns (centre being narrow centre) against one; in the Wing's Gambit this is not the case.
So in the King's Gambit White has an enduring lasting majority in the centre, in the Wing's Gambit this majority is only temporary.
In my opinion the similarities are only superficial.
  

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Reply #110 - 04/28/05 at 04:47:37
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I am not so sure the positional ideas behind the Wing Gambit are very different to those of the King's Gambit.

In both cases White is basically trying to deflect a black pawn away from the centre in order that he can then take over the centre himself, preferably with a lead in development into the bargain, as the basis for a successful attack.

The specifics are (obviously) different - and it may be that both are sound, that one is sound and another not, or that both are unsound.  (I suspect that neither 2.f4 nor 2.b4 are the strongest moves in the respective positions, but both are certainly playable.)  But the basic idea is the same.
  

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Reply #109 - 04/27/05 at 06:34:16
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If your ELO keeps on rising, you will meet more opponents who know how to deal with unsound gambits like the wings gambit. Will it still be fun then?
The King's Gambit though is based on a sound positional idea.
  

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Reply #108 - 04/27/05 at 04:08:49
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now that i've reached the 1600 level and can see blunders alot more clearly than i could when i first tried king's gambit at 1300 or so, i've grown to like it alot!

i've been playing from gallagher's old book, which it seems that MOST amateur players leave quickly with many lines that can't transpose to gallagher's.

i got sick of playing 2.d4 with a "pseudo danish" except i take c3 with Nc3 and decided to try KG again. i'm glad that i did!

king's gambit games are often extremely ugly to me, but they're also rich in tactical opportunities which is ALL that i ever want in an opening.

as there's an actual chance that a book writing GM is reading my reply...
sorry guys...
most of the "positionally sound" lines that you like are beyond boring to an amateur player. i'll take "unsound" wing gambit over grand prix attack or smith morra ANY day!

if you'd REALLY like to write a chessbook for amatuers... take an unsound gambit line and build a totally kamikazee repertoire around it that ISN'T based on "logical grandmaster replies" LOL very few of my opponents play like you do, and MOST of the book lines i've studied aren't as aggresive as i've seen more than one 1200 get away with playing! LOL

king's gambit is definately fun. even when i have no idea what's going on, the opening still seems to offer potential to "find a target' which is how i play.

king's gambit is an awesome opening for a tactical player. it sure suits my style. i'd like to study it more to get better at it as even without study, it seems to offer me the kinds of opportunities i only DREAM about in the boring stonewall formation.
  
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Reply #107 - 04/23/05 at 13:31:38
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Thanks for the advice.  I will give it a try and see what happens.  Will post any interesting games if I get some.

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Reply #106 - 04/14/05 at 14:26:27
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Thanks for writing such a detailed and good book and for answering my questions here!


Well, you're welcome! After all, it's nice to get some feedback on the book as it often results in me learning something too! Cheesy

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After analyzing more I found that 6...Be7 followed up by 7...g5 seems a bit more annoying than just 6...g5, especially with the possible 7. Qe2+.
The biggest issue for me is where to develop the Black Square bishop when he does 6...Be7 and 7...g5.


7.Qe2+ does look like the simplest solution to 6...g5?! so I'll concentrate on the other similar idea.

After 6...Be7 I think 7.d4 is the move, which is probably most likely to transpose to some other line as 7...g5 looks dodgy since it weakens the dark squares on the kingside. 8.Nc3 should be nice for white as a later g3 or even h4 could be hard to meet for black. Bc1 may awake with a vengeance! Cheesy

Generally speaking, spending a weakening pawn move to defend pawn-f4 seems a bit extravagant considering that the centre is more open here than after 3.Nf3 g5, I think you should compare with some of the main lines, e.g. Qxd5 Nc3 Qf5, which also aims at keeping Bc1 bottled up but without taking as much of a risk.

Anyway, I doubt that Be7+g7-g5 contributes more  to black position than it detracts. There are some optimistic ideas for black, like g5-g4 Nf3-e5 f4-f3 for example, that might appear a bit wild, - but white is ahead in development and after g2-g3 the king will be safe on f2 while Bc1 has an open diagonal and white has a wide selection of possible moves and plans....

Well, I hope this was reasonably helpful!  Cheesy
  
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Reply #105 - 04/14/05 at 10:52:54
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Thanks for the help!  Glad someone else here has the book.  I recommended it to someone who plays KG also.  Maybe he bought it.  I am also trying to get another friend to get it.  He likes the King's Bishop Gambit and I am sure he will like your book.  I think he is trying to save the money to purchase it now.

Ok, back to my question.  I checked out page 77 and found 6...g5?! at the bottom of the page.  The problem is that after 7. O-O my opponent says to play 7...Be7 instead of 7...Bg7.  This allows him to castle, which keeps the pawn on g5 and makes it difficult for white to develop the QB.   After 7...O-O Should I continue with 8.b3 and trade off the Bishops?  Comparing this to the line after 7...Bg7 black seems better off in this position than after 7...Bg7 because his rook is in a better position.

I was analyzing a bit and found that 7. Qe2+ allows white to get the pawn on g5.  Like you suggest I found that interesting and Fritz seemed to think it was good for white as well.

After analyzing more I found that 6...Be7 followed up by 7...g5 seems a bit more annoying than just 6...g5, especially with the possible 7. Qe2+.
The biggest issue for me is where to develop the Black Square bishop when he does 6...Be7 and 7...g5.

Thanks for writing such a detailed and good book and for answering my questions here!

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Reply #104 - 04/13/05 at 19:19:49
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Howdy Justin,

according to my sales info, so far you're one of two people in Arizona having my book! Wink

Actually, the sequence you inquire about can be found on page 77/78, looking at the only game so far that has gone down that road, i.e. Diaz-Philippe La Habana 1966.

Hope that helps, otherwise you're of course welcome with a follow up question!
  
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Reply #103 - 04/13/05 at 18:24:07
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Paul, thanks a lot for your suggestion, I could not check it out properly before....

It is excellent. (And even if it were not, I should have thanked you ages ago... been kind of busy)

I must be getting old and boring and I am immersed in Kindermann's Exchange book.

So I'll keep this FKG as a scond string... now I am sharing Taljechin's initial scare about the scarecrow!

(Bottom line: I hate loosing these days to much weaker players through the double edge positions that arise in the KG... people are not succumbing to bayonet attacks as when I was young!)

Many thanks - a great suggestion!
  

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Reply #102 - 04/13/05 at 16:29:58
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Hello, I received the book about 3 weeks ago and love it.  It is nice to have another good book on the King's Gambit.

I am having a bit of trouble and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions.

after the moves:

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3. Bc4 d5 4. Bxd5 Nf6 5.Nf3 Nxd5 6. exd5 g5

A local FIDE master keeps trying to tell me that this is a new bust to the line. 

I did not find this move in the FKG so I thought I would see what you guys thought here.  Thanks.

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Reply #101 - 04/13/05 at 06:47:36
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Well 100 replies seemed like a nice round figure, but after more than a month of silence it could be time for something new here - so I thought it could be fun to show an interesting 5 minute blitz game of mine from yesterday at playchess.  Cheesy

(TJ) (2314) - Moor (2452) [C33]
Rated game, 5m + 0s Main Playing Hall, 12.04.2005

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Qh4+ 4.Kf1 Nf6 5.Nf3 Qh6 6.Nc3 Bb4 7.e5 Nh5 8.Nd5!?N A moment of inspiration.



8...Ba5

[8...Ng3+ 9.Kg1 Qc6 10.hxg3 Qxc4 11.Nxf4 Nc6 12.c3 looks good for white.]

9.b4!? c6 10.bxa5 cxd5 11.Bxd5 Ng3+ 12.Kg1 Nxh1 13.Ba3! A move inspired by an old line in the Westerinen gambit, where white gives a whole rook to dominate the dark squares surrounding black's king. Since I'm only an exchange down, that might mean that I'm actually a piece up?? Cheesy




13...Ng3 14.hxg3 fxg3 15.Qe1 (with d4 and Qb4 in mind)

[the more positional 15.Bd6!? may also be worth considering.]

15...Qf4 16.d4 Nc6 17.Bxc6 bxc6

[17...dxc6!? 18.Bc1 Qg4 19.Qb4 Qd7 20.Ba3 b6 21.e6 fxe6 22.Ne5 Qc7 23.Nxc6 Bb7 24.Ne5 0-0-0 25.axb6 axb6 26.Rf1 with comp at least.]

18.Bc1 Qg4 19.Qb4 d5 20.Ba3 Qd7

[Here I wasted a bunch of moves with 21.Re1? Qb7 22.Qc5 Be6 23.Ng5 Qd7 24.Rb1 a6 25.Rf1 h5 26.Nxe6 Qxe6 27.Rb1 Qd7 28.Rb6 h4 29.Rxc6 Rb8 30.Bb4 Qd8 31.a3 Rb5 32.Qc3 Rxb4 33.Qxb4 and eventually won 30 moves later...]

Much better is of course: 21.e6! fxe6 22.Ne5 Qc7 23.Qc5!




(23.Rf1 c5 24.Qb3 still seems better for white, but black might be able to survive.)

23...Ba6 everything else loses to Rf1-f7/8. 24.Rb1! White takes time out to stop 24...0-0-0? with 25.Nxc6+- for example 25...Kd7 26.Nb8+ Rxb8 27.Qe7+ Kc8 28.Qxe6+ wins.)

Other 24th moves by black can be met by the plan: 25.c4 Bxc4 ( 25...dxc4 26.Rf1) 26.Nxc4 dxc4 27.a6 0-0-0 28.Rb7+-

When looking through the game afterwards, I noticed a peculiar thing - virtually all of black's moves turned out to be Fritz's recommended option! So maybe I beat Fritz 8 and not Moor? ??? Grin



Btw, Alumbrado, how did the 'sticky-back plastic' work out?  Undecided