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Re: recent Trompowsky crush
Reply #48 - 09/05/18 at 21:20:49
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Last year I also tried the Bc7 pawn sac with great effect!

  
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Re: recent Trompowsky crush
Reply #47 - 11/18/06 at 11:02:41
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Is e7-e6 possible after 9.Bc7 ?
  
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Re: recent Trompowsky crush
Reply #46 - 07/15/06 at 19:05:24
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MNb wrote on 03/02/06 at 02:42:43:
After the great 17.Bh3! Qxa1+ 18.Kf2 Rb7 19.Nxb7 Qxh1 20.Bxd7+ Kxd7 alas 21.Nxc5+ also is a draw. So 21.Na5 Ke8 22.Qc7 Qxh2+ 23.Ke2 Qh3 24.g4 Bxg4 25.fxg4 and here Black should play Qh1+ 26.Kd2 and only now f6 27.Qc8+ Kf7 28.Qe6+ Kg6 (Ke8 is similar to the variation of sacapawn; 29.Nb7 Qh6+ is critical) 29.Nb7 Qh6+ and I do not see, how White can avoid the queen checks.


Hi !

in fact, after checking this week-end, 21 N*c5+ is winning for white.
As I'm supposed to be working at the moment I will post those analysis later.
The Q+N duo will coordinate to win the rook on h8 and in the end will remain Q+N (the other one on e2) against Q so 1 piece up in the endgame !!!

More details later.


OstapBender wrote on 05/15/06 at 19:11:32:
Was there a follow up post that I missed?  Is 21.Nxc5+ winning?  Still busy?


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Still busy Ostap !!!! Sad

Anyway I'm currently studying other things but I explained before the ideas !
In the end black is playing virtually 2 pieces down (Bf8 and Rh8).
I hope I will expose it more concretely soon!


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Re: recent Trompowsky crush
Reply #45 - 07/15/06 at 15:35:11
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And there is the most recent game played in this line, I suppose.

C. Hanley - M. Sandu
Montpellier 11. 07. 2006

1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 Be4 3. Bf4 c5 4. f3 Qa5+ 5. c3 Nf6 6. d5 Qb6 7. e4 Qb2 8. Nd2 Qc3 9. Bc7 b6 10. Ne2 Qa5 11. Be5 b5 12. a4 d6 13. ab5 Qc7 14. Bc3 Nbd7 15. Ba5 Qb7 16. Nc3 g6 17. Bc4 Bg7 18. 00 00 19. f4 Nb6 20. Be2 Nfd7 21. Nf3 c4 22. Kh1 a6 23. Nd4 ab5 24. Ncb5 Nc5 25. Bc3 Ne4 26. Ra8 Qa8 27. Ba1 Nd5 28. Qe1 Ndf6 29. Bc4 Bb7 30. Nc7 Qa4 31. Bb5 Qa2 32. Bc6 Bc6 33. Nc6 e6 34. Qb4 d5 35. Bd4 h5 35. Bd4 h5 36. Rc1 Ng4 37. Ne7+ Kh7 38. Bg7 Nef2+ 39. Kg1 Nh3+ 0-1
  
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Re: recent Trompowsky crush
Reply #44 - 06/06/06 at 23:14:56
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Yes, good point and it does say on the d-pawn specials home page, "This is the perfect site for everyone who wants to throw theory hounds well and truly off the scent. Maximum psychological impact is what it's all about, as Black is led up the garden path, time and time again, blissfully unaware of his impending doom."  So GM Prie should at least try and find ways to make these others systems as dangerous (playable) as possible.  On the other hand it is good to know how to meet them, but that shouldn't take to long in the case of 4.f3.
  
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Re: recent Trompowsky crush
Reply #43 - 06/06/06 at 22:27:07
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I know there have been complaints at times that the only opening really covered under d-pawn specials is the Tromp.  This is off topic but certainly most of the other openings covered in this section (..."The Torre Attack, The Blackmar-Diemer Gambit, The Colle and Colle-Zukertort Systems,The Stonewall, The Veresov and The London System. For good measure, I have also thrown in the legendary Barry Attack...") don't seem as topical or critical.  Having said that there is certainly an interest in them.


Well, I don't mind a look at the other openings at all, but if there has to be this 'black to move and win attitude', at least let white play the best moves. Davies, for example, seems to think 4.e3 or 4.Nf3 should give white an edge, so why would Prie spend a whole update on 4.f3?! which no one seems to believe in anyway?!
  
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Reply #42 - 06/06/06 at 17:51:17
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I know there have been complaints at times that the only opening really covered under d-pawn specials is the Tromp.  This is off topic but certainly most of the other openings covered in this section (..."The Torre Attack, The Blackmar-Diemer Gambit, The Colle and Colle-Zukertort Systems,The Stonewall, The Veresov and The London System. For good measure, I have also thrown in the legendary Barry Attack...") don't seem as topical or critical.  Having said that there is certainly an interest in them.
  
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Re: recent Trompowsky crush
Reply #41 - 06/06/06 at 10:45:49
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Hmm, has Prie taken a vacation already? Last time total focus on Tromp with h4?! and now Veresov with f3?! - why pretend to beat down doors that are already open?  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: recent Trompowsky crush
Reply #40 - 06/05/06 at 10:40:46
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Davies cannot be blamed here. I bought his Tromp book on April 1st, 2005, and the game Chernyshov-Grischuk, in which 9. Bc7! was played for the first time, is from April 22nd (according to CA HugeBase).

So until the next Tromp book comes out, the best theory source on this line is probably this thread - combined with Eric's CP updates!

(Or has anything been written in some NIC publication - Yearbook or SOS?).
  
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Re: recent Trompowsky crush
Reply #39 - 06/04/06 at 23:03:45
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Good idea TalJechin.  Did you email your request to him?

By the way, I'm surprised and a little disappointed not to find even a mention of 7.e4 in Davies recent book the trompowski.  I'm no expert on this opening, but other than that I think it's a good book although I'm glad I'm a subscriber so such omissions are not overly troublesome.  Maybe this idea wasn't known at the time of the writing since it's publication date is 2005.


Nope, assumed he'd be watching the debate here - but feel free to remind him!

Publication date is a bit relative, as printers and corrections etc tend to steal at least a couple of months for most books. Maybe he states a more specific date in his introduction?
  
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Re: recent Trompowsky crush
Reply #38 - 06/04/06 at 22:13:36
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Good idea TalJechin.  Did you email your request to him?

By the way, I'm surprised and a little disappointed not to find even a mention of 7.e4 in Davies recent book the trompowski.  I'm no expert on this opening, but other than that I think it's a good book although I'm glad I'm a subscriber so such omissions are not overly troublesome.  Maybe this idea wasn't known at the time of the writing since it's publication date is 2005.
  
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Re: recent Trompowsky crush
Reply #37 - 06/04/06 at 13:41:58
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The following game would be nice to see dissected by Prie in the next update!

Trent,L (2423) - Hebden,M (2523) [A45]
Jack Speigel Mem Southend ENG (7), 17.04.2006

1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Qa5+ 5.c3 Nf6 6.d5 Qb6 7.e4 Qxb2 8.Nd2 Qxc3 9.Bc7 b6 10.Rc1 Qa5 11.Be5 Ba6 12.Bc3 Qa3 13.Nc4 Bxc4 14.Bxc4 d6 15.Bd2 a6 16.Rc3 Qb2 17.Ne2 b5 18.Bb3 Qa3 19.Nd4 g6 20.e5 dxe5 21.d6 Qb4 22.Rc4 Qxc4 23.Bxc4 exd4 24.Qb3 e6 25.Bxe6 Ra7 26.Bxf7+ Rxf7 27.Qe6+ Be7 28.0-0 0-0 29.dxe7 Re8 30.Qd6 Nbd7 31.Re1 c4 32.Bb4 d3 33.Qxa6 Rb8 34.Qd6 Rc8 35.Bc3 1-0

  
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Reply #36 - 05/16/06 at 12:43:55
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Still busy Ostap !!!! Sad

Anyway I'm currently studying other things but I explained before the ideas !
In the end black is playing virtually 2 pieces down (Bf8 and Rh8).
I hope I will expose it more concretely soon!

A pity that other players don't enrich this analysis (maybe it becomes boring for many to see so many BDG threads!!).

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Re: recent Trompowsky crush
Reply #35 - 05/15/06 at 19:11:32
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A couple of months ago, kaspirateur wrote:

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in fact, after checking this week-end, 21 N*c5+ is winning for white.
As I'm supposed to be working at the moment I will post those analysis later.
The Q+N duo will coordinate to win the rook on h8 and in the end will remain Q+N (the other one on e2) against Q so 1 piece up in the endgame !!!

More details later.


Was there a follow up post that I missed?  Is 21.Nxc5+ winning?  Still busy?  Hate to get 'on topic' here, but...
  

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Re: recent Trompowsky crush
Reply #34 - 05/03/06 at 16:53:51
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photophore wrote on 05/03/06 at 11:37:15:
What about the line :
1 d4 Nf6
2 Bg5 Ne4
3 h4 c5
4 d5 Qb6
5 Nd2 Nxg5
6 hxg5 Qxb2
7 e4 g6
8 Rab1 Qg7
and W has not enough compensation for the pawn


Hi Photophore!!!

This topic is about a specific line and this fantastic novelty by Chernyshov in the main line!

Your line is certainly interesting, probably covered in another thread but completely off topic!!

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