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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #61 - 10/25/07 at 20:34:47
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It´s not my comments. It´s just the comments of Botvinnik!  Wink
  

It has been said that chess players are good at two things, Chess and Excuses.  It has also been said that Chess is where all excuses fail! In order to win you must dare to fail!
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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #60 - 10/25/07 at 19:23:47
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Mortal Games wrote on 10/25/07 at 14:44:00:
What else is there to play? The Ruy Lopez? It has been studied even more thoroughly. The Sicilian? It is so "worn out" that in the near future it will turn into rags. The Caro-Kann? It is so dificult to tempt one´s opponent into a risky attack with it.
We must, however, remember that not everybody is suited to the French Defence. The person who does not have a real chess character, who does not have talent of a researcher or who is not prepared to work hard had better play something else! The French Defence is a dificult and dangerous opening!

M. Botvinnik 


I'm not sure I understand your comments about the Sicilian. First of all, there are dozens of Sicilians. I doubt that the Kan or Taimanov are analyzed THAT thoroughly and even in very well-analyzed lines, the game is still very enjoyable, complicated and there are a myriad of possible moves that work well for both sides.
  
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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #59 - 10/25/07 at 14:44:00
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What else is there to play? The Ruy Lopez? It has been studied even more thoroughly. The Sicilian? It is so "worn out" that in the near future it will turn into rags. The Caro-Kann? It is so dificult to tempt one´s opponent into a risky attack with it.
We must, however, remember that not everybody is suited to the French Defence. The person who does not have a real chess character, who does not have talent of a researcher or who is not prepared to work hard had better play something else! The French Defence is a dificult and dangerous opening!

M. Botvinnik
  

It has been said that chess players are good at two things, Chess and Excuses.  It has also been said that Chess is where all excuses fail! In order to win you must dare to fail!
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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #58 - 10/09/07 at 16:04:25
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HgMan wrote on 10/08/07 at 19:41:14:
Well, in light of the last couple of comments, maybe exigentsky is onto something:  find reliable responses with minimal risk where Black is not noticeably worse and then play chess!  The French is a great opening to have in one's arsenal, in large part because it unbalances the position.  Some lines are sharper than others (how's that for insight?), but as a system, the French is unlikely to be busted, and Black should be able to find a decent game.  The exchange variation is a nuisance for the Black player hoping to win, but there are more peaceful lines that are not without venom...


I've been thinking of doing just this with the Classical French.  One reason this idea has come to mind is my recent study of Alekhine's with 2.Nc3 d5 3.e5 Nfd7.  If White fails to gambit soon on e6, a Classical French, Steinitz Var. is possible and, I opine, probably optimal when White plays an early Nf3.  E.g. 4.d4 c5 5.Nf3 e6!, quoth I.  So you could play Alekhine's and the French with at least some theoretical overlap.

If you consider the Exchange, Black is definitely better than he is in the Petroff, where Black very often plays ...Ne4-f6!  So it's difficult to believe that in any given game of chess with the Exchange, Black will not find some winning chances.

Contemplating the idea of taking up the French, the Tarrasch veration concerns me the most.
  

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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #57 - 10/09/07 at 03:16:02
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Well said, HgMan!

Thanks for bringing a positive thought to the pub!
  
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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #56 - 10/08/07 at 19:41:14
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Well, in light of the last couple of comments, maybe exigentsky is onto something:  find reliable responses with minimal risk where Black is not noticeably worse and then play chess!  The French is a great opening to have in one's arsenal, in large part because it unbalances the position.  Some lines are sharper than others (how's that for insight?), but as a system, the French is unlikely to be busted, and Black should be able to find a decent game.  The exchange variation is a nuisance for the Black player hoping to win, but there are more peaceful lines that are not without venom...
  

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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #55 - 10/08/07 at 10:01:45
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Alas, SF probably the same here. Ah, wasted youth indeed.  Hmm - for me too. Probably why I didnt play too much in my twenties. Disturbing to think how many hundreds praps thousands here too in KID, French, Sicilian etc. And still no answers... Undecided
  
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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #54 - 10/08/07 at 08:23:20
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Bibs,

Your comments may seem harsh, but I had the same reaction to exigentsky's comment about "tens of hours".  I immediately wondered whether I had put in hundreds or thousands of hours into the French.  

I think I wasted much of my youth and have easily put in thousands of hours just on one opening in chess.
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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #53 - 10/08/07 at 08:16:10
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Frankly, exi, I dont know your level, but despite your tens of hours (not much is it?), that still sounds like hogwash. Get Korchnoi's best games and study.
  
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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #52 - 10/07/07 at 23:21:59
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If you play the soundest variations that give Black equality, not really. By this, I mean, c5 vs Tarrasch and Nf6 vs Nc3 with dxe4 on Bg5 followed by Nbd7. The Winnawer and Nf6 Tarrasch do offer enough winning chances, but if White knows his stuff, I think he has a noticeable advantage. I've analyzed this for tens of hours and that's my conclusion. Others may disagree and that's fine.
  
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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #51 - 10/07/07 at 01:32:59
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Yes. Of course.
  
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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #50 - 10/06/07 at 22:28:07
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Yeah that one was better. From a psycological point of view you have to find  a way to prepare yourself playing against the exchange variation. Maybe Petrosians old saying works fine :

"It is easier to play for a win from an equal position than from a bad position" (with the context that you should not make risky moves to force a win).
  

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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #49 - 10/06/07 at 05:05:47
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kalle99,

Ok, you got me.  Tongue

That was a rather stupid place to agree to a draw.

Here's one of the key games I've used to inspire me as Black against the the Exchange:

Tatai-Korchnoi, a real classic!

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1082469

  
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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #48 - 10/05/07 at 21:29:35
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Well the exchange variation is really hot!!  Look at this one

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1406761
  

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Re: Does French give enough winning chances ?
Reply #47 - 02/13/07 at 16:47:20
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To add to the collection the magnificent 5 Qe2 v the Petroff. Personally i don't think the exchange is very drawish at all.



An excellent point, Andrew.  I think White can certainly make Black sweat for his draw in that line.  Wink
  

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