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Re: C00: 1.e4,e6 2.d4,d5 3.Bd3!?
Reply #11 - 11/12/11 at 11:14:31
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I like Black after Bd6. I think it deserves attention.
  
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Re: C00: 1.e4,e6 2.d4,d5 3.Bd3!?
Reply #10 - 11/12/11 at 11:10:37
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How to win a piece.

I found a trap in the Bd3 variation after:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3 de4 4.Be4 Nf6 5.Bf3 Bd6!?
6.Ne2 00 7.Bg5 h6 8.Bh4?? g5 9.Bg3 g4 and the White bishop is in a bad situation:)
  
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Re: C00: 1.e4,e6 2.d4,d5 3.Bd3!?
Reply #9 - 11/11/11 at 18:47:52
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kshorg wrote on 11/09/11 at 15:31:58:
What do you think about:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3 dxe4 4.Bxe4 Nd7!?

I like this flexible move, Black seems ok.
I will test it in blitz games


Playing queen's gambit opening moves as White is one good idea because knight is misplaced on d7 square.


5.Nf3 (5.c4?! over agressive 5...Ngf6 6.Bf3/Bc2 e5 or 6.Bd3 c5) Ngf6 (5...c5 6.c3 Ngf6 7.Bc2 b6 8.oo Bb7 9.Re1  6.Bd3  Bd6 10.Nbd2 oo transposes) 
6.Bd3 c5 (6..Bd6 7.oo oo 8.Te1 c5 9.c3 b6 10.Nbd2 or 8...e5 9.Te1 exd4 10.cxd4 c5 11.Bc2 or 8...Re8 9.Re1 e5 10.Bg5 exd4 11.Rxe8+ Qxe8 12.cxd4 += ; 6...Be7 7.oo oo 8.Re1 c5 9.c3 b6 10.Bf4 Bb7 11.Nbd2 Rc8) 7.c3 cxd4 8.cxd4 Bd6 9.oo oo 10.Nc3 +=

And maybe more flexible is:  5.c3!? (forecasting previous lines) Ngf6 6.Bc2!? (instead of 6.Bd3) Bd6 7.Nf3 b6 8.oo Bb7 9.Nbd2 oo 10.Re1 c5 11.Ne4 +=
or 6...Be7 7.Nf3 b6 (7...c5 8.oo oo 9.Qd3) 8.Qe2 oo 9.oo Bb7 10.Rd1

  

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Re: C00: 1.e4,e6 2.d4,d5 3.Bd3!?
Reply #8 - 11/09/11 at 15:31:58
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What do you think about:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3 dxe4 4.Bxe4 Nd7!?

I like this flexible move, Black seems ok.
I will test it in blitz games
  
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Re: 1.e4,e6 2.d4,d5 3.Bd3!?
Reply #7 - 04/06/08 at 23:33:43
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I offer to you a complete repertoir against the French! These lines were given by me to one of my students a couple of years ago when he asked a little known variation to study. Maybe you can help me to correct them! At present i have no time dealing whith this. I have a Gruenfeld line to revive!!!

1) 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.Nf3 c5 6.c3

2) 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3 Nc6 4.c3 e5 5.Nf3 exd4 6.0–0

3) 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3 c5 4.exd5 Qxd5 [4...exd5] 5.Nc3 Qxd4 [5...Qxg2 6.Be4] 6.Nf3 Qd8 [6...Qd6 7.Nb5 Qd8 8.Bf4 Na6 9.Be2 Qb6 10.Nd6+ Bxd6 11.Bxd6 Nf6 12.0–0 Bd7 13.Ne5 Ne4 14.Nc4 Qc6 15.Bf3] 7.Bf4 a6 8.Qe2 Bd6 9.Bxd6 Qxd6 10.Ne4 Qc7 11.0–0–0 Nf6 12.Nd6+

4) 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3 dxe4 4.Bxe4 Nf6 5.Bf3 c5 6.Ne2 Nc6 7.Be3 Qb6 8.Nbc3 cxd4 [8...Qxb2 9.dxc5] 9.Nxd4 Bc5 [9...Ne5 10.Ndb5 Qa5 11.Nd6+ Bxd6 12.Qxd6 Nxf3+ 13.gxf3 Bd7 14.Rg1 Bc6 15.0–0–0] 10.Bxc6+ bxc6 11.0–0 Nd5 12.Na4

5) 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3 dxe4 4.Bxe4 Nf6 5.Bf3 c5 6.Ne2 Nc6 7.Be3 cxd4 8.Nxd4 Ne5 9.0–0 Nxf3+ [9...Bc5 10.Nc3 Bb6 11.Qe2 0–0 12.Rfd1 Qe7 13.Na4 Ba5 14.Nb3 Bc7 15.Bc5] 10.Qxf3 a6 [10...e5 11.Nb5] 11.Rd1

6) 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3 dxe4 4.Bxe4 Nf6 5.Bf3 c5 6.Ne2 Nc6 7.Be3 Nd5 8.Bxd5 Qxd5 [8...exd5 9.dxc5] 9.0–0 cxd4 [9...b6 10.Nbc3 Qd8 11.dxc5 Bxc5 12.Bxc5] 10.Nxd4 Nxd4 11.Bxd4 Bc5 12.Bxc5 Qxc5 13.Nc3 0–0 14.Ne4

7) 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3 dxe4 4.Bxe4 Nf6 5.Bf3 c5 6.Ne2 Nc6 7.Be3 e5 8.Bxc6+ bxc6 9.dxe5 Qxd1+ [9...Ng4 10.Qxd8+ Kxd8 11.Bf4] 10.Kxd1 Ng4 11.Nd2 Nxe3+ [11...Nxe5 12.Re1 Ba6 13.Bf4 Ng6 14.Ng3+ Kd7 15.Be3 Nh4 16.Rg1 Re8 17.c4 f5 18.Kc2 Be7 19.Nh5] 12.fxe3 Be7 13.Ne4 Be6 14.N2c3 0–0–0+ 15.Ke2

8) 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3 dxe4 4.Bxe4 Nf6 5.Bf3 Nc6 6.Ne2 e5 [6...Bd6 7.Nbc3 Bd7 8.Bg5] 7.Nbc3 Bb4 8.0–0 0–0 9.Bxc6 bxc6 10.dxe5 Ng4 11.Nd4 Bxc3 12.bxc3 c5 13.Nb3 Bf5 14.Bf4 Re8 15.Qxd8 Raxd8 16.Rae1 Bxc2 17.f3 Nh6 18.Nxc5
  
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Re: 1.e4,e6 2.d4,d5 3.Bd3!?
Reply #6 - 04/05/08 at 19:10:15
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Watson probably recommended 3...c5 against 3.Bd3 because the best that White could hope for would be a transposition to Advance Variation lines that Sveshnikov played (see especially his game, Sveshnikov-Razuvaev, Belgrade 1988).  Watson seems to believe that the white Bishop belongs only on e2, and almost any gambit involving Bd3 is unsound for White.

I would avoid 3...c5 against most players and simply make White prove that losing two tempi is worth opening up the b1-h6 diagonal and the e-file.  I have to believe in Black's defensive cause after 3...de4 4.Be4 Nf6.  Black hasn't made any mistakes that I can see, and White is going to be hard pressed to prove an advantage.

Since Black has two distinct lines that lead to interesting play for him, and neither has been refuted, I don't see 3.Bd3 as a major threat to Black.  The ambitious Black player will probably prefer 3...c5, but I am generally content with instant equality with all the play ahead of us.
  
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Re: 1.e4,e6 2.d4,d5 3.Bd3!?
Reply #5 - 04/05/08 at 02:20:27
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this variation is mentioned in Jude Acers book, he didn't have much detail in it, however he did say it is a lifetime weapon vs the french.  Tartokower played it too.  it might be a good surprise weapon vs those stubborn french players.
  
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Re: 1.e4,e6 2.d4,d5 3.Bd3!?
Reply #4 - 04/04/08 at 17:10:49
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After the update from January I had a closer look into this line. Can white force black either into a closed variation of his choice or into unusual and interesting positions?

Against the French I play the Tarrasch. I am happy with the Korchnoi gambit after 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.Nf3 c5 6.Bd3, and I know that black players don´t like it!

On the downside I don´t like white after 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 c5. Neither 4.exd nor 4.Ngf3 seem to offer comparable chances, if black does not follow with an early Nf6 transposing to the Korchnoi gambit. Likewise I don´t know what to do against the Rubinstein, simply because I haven´t bothered to master the theory so far.

The 3.Bd3 system (is Schlechter variation really the name?) might be a solution:
A) 3…Nf6 and I can transpose to a closed Tarrasch with 4.e5, 5.Nd2 and 6.Ngf3.
B) 3…Nc6 and 3…dxe4: The lines Dom mentions seem to offer good chances for white in a non-french position, that´ll do for me.
C) 3…c5 must be the critical reply. After 4.c3 (if I´d like to play the exchange variaton, why not 3.exd straight away?) black has:

1) 4…Nc6 5.Nf3 and as far as I (and Dom) can see black has nothing better than to transpose to a closed Tarrasch setup.
2) 4…Nf6 leads of course straight away to the closed Tarrasch after 5.e5 etc..
3) This leaves only 4…cxd as a critical option:
I don´t like 5.cxd4 dxe 6.Bxe4 Nf6 and the white bishop has to move again.
5.exd5 exd 6.cxd as given by Dom looks equal to me.
5.exd5 exd 6.Nf3!? could be better. Now 6…Qe7+ does not look good after 7.Be2, followed by 00 and the black queen blocks off Bc8. 6…dxc?! 7.Nxc3 with a promising iqp position for white. 6…Nc6 7.00 and after the natural 7…Nf6 8.00 white can still play against the doubled pawns.
5.exd5 Qxd5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.00 Nf6 8.cxd can as well arise via the Alapin Sicilian after 1.e4 c5 2.c3 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 4.d4 e6 5.Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 Nc6 7.00 cxd 8.cxd! As I play the Alapin with white myself I don´t mind this at all.

To sum up I could avoid the Rubinstein and the nasty lines without Nf6 in the Tarrasch, which would be a desirable shortcut for me. What snags did I miss?
  

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Re: 1.e4,e6 2.d4,d5 3.Bd3!?
Reply #3 - 04/07/07 at 14:43:14
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1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3!? Schlechter variation. The line has been played by players following Paul Morphy: Masaon,Showalter,Schlechter and Lasker.
The main idea is to keep an open position.

Black can play one of following systems starting with c5,Nf6,Nc6 or dxe4.

A) 3..c5 4.c3 (4.exd5 exd5 is Exchange variation leading to isolated queen pawn game after 5.dxc5) Nc6 (4...cxd4 is isolated pawn game: 5.cxd4 - 5.exd5 exd5 6.cxd4 is Exchange variation - dxe4 6.Bxe4 Nf6 7.Bc2 Nc6 8.Nf3 Be7 9.oo oo 10.Nc3 b6 11.a3 Bb7 12.Qd3 with the idea Bg5 and Rd1 (Minev))
at start of XX century White used to play 5.Ne2 (example : Olland-Swiderski,Hannovre 1902 (ECG)) but Black can play 5...e5! Steinweg-Neberman,Berlin 1919 (ECG). The idea of Ne2 is to put the bishop on f3: 5.Ne2 dxe4 6.Bxe4 Nf6 7.Bf3
but better is 5.Nf3 reaching classical lines after 5..Nf6: 6.e5 or 6.Nd2 universal system and Korchnoi gambit

B) 3...Nf6 4.Nd2!? is Plaskett system in Tarrasch variation (or 4.Nc3 Swiss variation 4...c5! ; 4.e5 is a closed system ; 4.Bg5 dxe4 5.Bxe4 c5! 6.c3 cxd4 7.cxd4 Qb6! 8.Bxf6 Qxb2 9.Nd2 gxf6 and advantage to Black)
With Plaskett system White transposes to Rubinstein or Tarrasch

C) 3....dxe4 4.Bxe4 Nf6 5.Bf3 with the idea to take the knight on c6 and a bad pawn strutcure for Black 5...c5 6.Ne2 Nc6 7.c3 cxd4 8.cxd4 Bd6 9.Nbc3 oo 10.oo h6 11.Be3 Ne7 Bluvshtein-Barsov,Montreal 2002

D) 3...Nc6 Rozentalis variation Bluvshtein-Barsov,Montreal 2002 and a gambit to be tried: 4.c3 e5 5.Nf3 exd4 6.oo!?

  

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Re: 1.e4,e6 2.d4,d5 3.Bd3!?
Reply #2 - 04/07/07 at 05:10:38
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Watson gives 3...c5 4. c3 Nc6 5. Ne2 cxd4 6. cxd4 Nb4!? 7. Bb5+ Bd7 8. Bxd7+ Qxd7 9. e5 Ne7 10. Nbc3 Nf5 11. a3 Nc6 and calls it "a sort of Advance Variation with the light-squared bishops off."  This favors Black, since the light-squared bishop is usually the painful minor piece in these locked-pawn center Frenches.
  
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Re: 1.e4,e6 2.d4,d5 3.Bd3!?
Reply #1 - 04/06/07 at 16:47:37
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Nl wrote on 04/06/07 at 14:05:23:
Is it ok for white. or just an easy game for black.

I need something new against the french.

Lasker played it.
I think that after 3...dxe4 4.Bxe4 Nf6, White's most promising is 5.Bf3 with queenside pressure. Objectively it may not be much but it can be annoying for Black to face. From my experience, which was some time ago, I seem to recall 3...c5 as surprisingly being more effective for Black, but I could have misremembered.
  
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C00: 1.e4,e6 2.d4,d5 3.Bd3!?
04/06/07 at 14:05:23
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Is it ok for white. or just an easy game for black.

I need something new against the french.
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