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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #177 - 06/10/13 at 21:33:46
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cynima wrote on 04/18/13 at 18:51:54:
I really like the book from Wisnewski, its great!

But he recommends after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nf3 Bg4 4.Qa4!? Bxf3 5.gxf3 to play 5. ...e5 and gives this move a !

But what should black play after 6.Nc3! (only 6.dxe5 Qh4! is mentioned). Imo white gets with this move a good position ...


Well perhaps another fifth move for black is better!

Bronznik in his Chigorin book mentions a few options.
  
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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #176 - 04/18/13 at 18:51:54
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I really like the book from Wisnewski, its great!

But he recommends after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nf3 Bg4 4.Qa4!? Bxf3 5.gxf3 to play 5. ...e5 and gives this move a !

But what should black play after 6.Nc3! (only 6.dxe5 Qh4! is mentioned). Imo white gets with this move a good position ...
  
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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #175 - 02/25/10 at 13:15:58
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Thanks for this! I'm a bit confused now about the 9 ...Re8 10 0-0-0 line, though. [i]Does[/i] Vigorito give 10 ...e5 as well as, or instead of, 10 ...Qe7, and if so [i]is[/i] 11 h3 his answer to it? (11 ...Ne4!? here indeed looks interesting!?)
  
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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #174 - 02/25/10 at 12:22:31
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There is also a thread on this line with more recent discussion here:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1084743265/15
Perhaps also of interest, in the December 2009 update there is a game Malakhov-Ponomariov (second one):
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 Qc2 Nc6 5 Nf3 d6 6 Bd2 0-0 7 a3 Bxc3 8 Bxc3 Qe7 9 g3 e5 10 d5 e4!?
  
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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #173 - 02/25/10 at 09:40:51
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[quote]Yeah, well += doesn't really mean anything. += means that the position is easier to play as White, or optically White looks a little better. That said, I would like to compare Vigorito's thoughts [on the Zurich] to Palliser's, just to see where the difference lies. What line does he give? [/quote]

I haven't got Vigorito, but I believe what he gives is 5 Qc2 d6 6 Bg5 h6 7 Bd2 0-0 (7 ...e5 8 a3!, Palliser) 8 a3 Bc3 9 Bc3 and now:

I  9 ...Qe7 10 e4! (P. gives only 10 e3, saying 10 ...e5 and 10 ...a5 are then both adequate for Black) 11 d5

II 9 ...Re8 10 0-0-0! Qe7 11 h3! (P. gives only 11 e3 e5) e5 12 de (also 12 d5!?) de 13 e3.

You may like, TonyRo, to take a look at this thread --

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1217940875/0

-- in particular replies 6 and 20! Any comments on this line (9 ...a5, unmentioned by Palliser) for Black (anyone)? I'm a bit surprised it hasn't yet come under the Forum microscope ...

  
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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #172 - 02/24/10 at 16:33:44
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TonyRo wrote on 02/24/10 at 15:06:51:
Why would 1. e4 Nc6 belong to the DD Section? Now the Chigorin, that's a different story.

I don't know why, but it does, just like 1.e4 b6.
Maybe historical reasons, once upon a time there were separate sections "Mainstream Daring Defences" and "Maverick Daring Defences".
  
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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #171 - 02/24/10 at 15:06:51
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Why would 1. e4 Nc6 belong to the DD Section? Now the Chigorin, that's a different story.
  
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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #170 - 02/24/10 at 14:21:36
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I just noticed that in the 1.e4 ... section there is an update on "El Columpio" 1.e4 Nc6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e5 Ng4, which is Chapter 5 in Wisnewski's book.
A welcome update, but a bit surprising to find it under 1.e4 ..., since the Nimzowitsch Defence is supposed to belong to the Daring Defences section. This could be annoying for some people who subscribe to DD but not to 1.e4 ...
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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #169 - 01/04/09 at 12:20:00
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Hello,

I'm looking for more Hecht-Reefschalger sources and found this thread.
is it worthwhile to buy the book just for the H-R?

I don't really care about the other chapters (though the English lines might be useful)
  
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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #168 - 07/27/08 at 18:33:53
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Yeah, well += doesn't really mean anything. += means that the position is easier to play as White, or optically White looks a little better. That said, I would like to compare Vigorito's thoughts to Palliser's, just to see where the difference lies. What line does he give?
  
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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #167 - 07/26/08 at 23:11:19
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The Zurich Variation is a definite += if White knows the theory. However, most White players don't have Vigorito's "Challenging the Nimzo-Indian" (and thus don't know the theory very well), so in practice there is nothing wrong with the Zurich.

Also, it is worth nothing that many 1.d4 players will not have the 4.Qc2 Nimzo in their repertoire, meaning that transposing to the Zurich will place them in unfamiliar territory (or they will deviate and lose the chance at an advantage).
  
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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #166 - 07/26/08 at 14:24:32
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That's obviously not the case. The line that appears in Palliser's book is the Zurich Variation, 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Qc2 Nc6!?, which in my own opinion is fine if you understand all the nuances and know your theory. Of course, it's reached by this move order in Palliser's book:

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 Nc6!? 3. Nf3 e6 4. Nc3 Bb4 5. Qc2

I have the book, and I really like it. It's well written, has a lot of explanation about the ideas and such. Well worth a looksy if you want something new and unexplored against 1. d4.
  
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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #165 - 07/25/08 at 19:26:23
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linksspringer wrote on 07/25/08 at 13:09:29:
I suppose you are talking about 1.d4  Wink
The book recommends the Chigorin in the move order 1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6.
If you like the Tango, then Richard Palliser's book is excellent! I don't regard the Tango version of the Nimzo-Indian as inferior.


Ooops, excuse me for being so ignorant.

Hmm someone said that it leads to a Nimzo line with two (!!) tempos down for black. In that case that can't be good and I can understand if people don't play it for this reason, unless ofcourse that is not the case.
  
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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #164 - 07/25/08 at 13:09:29
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I suppose you are talking about 1.d4  Wink
The book recommends the Chigorin in the move order 1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6.
If you like the Tango, then Richard Palliser's book is excellent! I don't regard the Tango version of the Nimzo-Indian as inferior.
  
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Re: Play 1...Nc6 by Christoph Wisnewski
Reply #163 - 07/24/08 at 19:31:46
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Sorry in advance for posting this, I do not have time to read through the whole thread at the moment:

Which do people consider to be better 1...Nc6 or 1...Nf6, 2...Nc6 as in the Tango?

I'm thinking about playing the Tango but I've heard that it can lead to an inferior Nimzo-Indian. Is this correct?

If you can convince me I might even start playing 1...Nc6
  
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