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Reply #104 - 09/08/09 at 01:39:58
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I'm surprised to see people still discussing this book -- though it is excellent.  I reviewed it online:
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/kenilworthian/2008/04/review-of-dangerous-wea...
I agree with the criticism on the Bird analysis -- it does not mention the critical Bb3 line.  But it is otherwise really useful, and probably the most thorough coverage in print.  I did a bibliography on the subject:
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/kenilworthian/2008/11/birds-defense-bibliogra...

I think the book definitely influenced the resurgence of interest in the Max Lange:
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/kenilworthian/2009/01/max-lange-gambit-revive...
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/kenilworthian/2009/01/old-giuoco-worth-repeat...

It is definitely worth having -- and no book is perfect.
  
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Reply #103 - 09/07/09 at 21:43:29
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I received the book a couple of days ago, and only had the time to look at some of the sections. It contains several interesting ideas, and I think it is a really fine book. However, since I am not a strong player, I would have preferred to have more advice at certain points. For example, in the section with the Ruy exchange with Be7:

After the criticial 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. Bxc6 dxc6 5. 0-0 Be7 6. Nxe5 Qd4 7. Qh5 g6 8. Nf3 Qxe4 9. Qa5 Qxc2 10. Re1 Qd3, only the move 11. Qxc7 is analysed in detail. I have spent quite some time on this, but I am still not sure what Black should do if, instead of taking the pawn, white simply develops with 11. Nc3.
  
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Reply #102 - 05/28/09 at 20:42:04
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I'm little disappointed by this book.
In Bird section they give nothing for black in critical  1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nd4 4.Nxd4  exd4 5.O-O  Bc5 6.d3  6 7.Ba4 d6 8.Bb3!
This variation is analysed in 'Play the Ruy Lopez' as giving white edge.
Any ideas how black can get playable position?
  
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Reply #101 - 08/28/08 at 21:42:30
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I haven't seen any discussion on this forum of this books coverage of the line 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 0-0 Bc5. What do you think of this books coverage of this line?
  
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Reply #100 - 07/14/08 at 17:11:12
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Ametanoitos wrote on 04/08/08 at 23:56:30:
I don't know if Marin in his second edition says anything about 9.d4 but my guess is that if he does it would be something like this!


Nope! Marin treats only 9. Re1 and 9. Bxc6. To cite him: "White overprotects e4 in order to prepare the occupation of the center with d4". My guess is that Marin simply dismisses 9. d4 because of 9 ... ed 10. cd Qxe4 11. Bxf6 gf winning a pawn for Black. Why else does he think d4 needs to be prepared?
  
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Reply #99 - 07/14/08 at 04:29:07
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/07/08 at 13:28:44:
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After 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Qxd4 Nc6 4.Qe3 Nf6 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Bd2 O-O 7.O-O-O Re8 8.Qg3 Rxe4 9.a3, what does IM Andrew Greet recommend against the move 9...Bd6? This move is recommended by Larry Kaufman in his book The Chess Advantage in Black and White.

Also, after 1 e4 e5 2 d4 exd4 3 Qxd4 Nc6 4 Qe3 Nf6 5 Nc3 Be7 6 Bc4 0-0 7 Bd2 d6, what does IM Andrew Greet recommend?


10 f4 and 8 0-0-0

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In the chapter on Calming the Romantics, after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 c3 Nf6 5 d4 exd4 6 cxd4 Bb4+ 7 Bd2 Nxe4 8 Bxb4 Nxb4 9 Bxf7 + Kxf7 10 Qb3, Does Gleen Flear recommend 10...d5, 10...Kf8, or does he analyze both moves?


Both moves, but mostly the 'ambitious' 10...d5.


My real question here is IM Andrew Greet able to refute what Kaufman and Emms recommend against the Center Game in there books The Chess Advantage in Black and White and Play the Open Games as Black?


well buy the book and see for yourself!
  
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Reply #98 - 07/13/08 at 22:57:00
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/07/08 at 13:28:44:
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After 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Qxd4 Nc6 4.Qe3 Nf6 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Bd2 O-O 7.O-O-O Re8 8.Qg3 Rxe4 9.a3, what does IM Andrew Greet recommend against the move 9...Bd6? This move is recommended by Larry Kaufman in his book The Chess Advantage in Black and White.

Also, after 1 e4 e5 2 d4 exd4 3 Qxd4 Nc6 4 Qe3 Nf6 5 Nc3 Be7 6 Bc4 0-0 7 Bd2 d6, what does IM Andrew Greet recommend?


10 f4 and 8 0-0-0

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In the chapter on Calming the Romantics, after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 c3 Nf6 5 d4 exd4 6 cxd4 Bb4+ 7 Bd2 Nxe4 8 Bxb4 Nxb4 9 Bxf7 + Kxf7 10 Qb3, Does Gleen Flear recommend 10...d5, 10...Kf8, or does he analyze both moves?


Both moves, but mostly the 'ambitious' 10...d5.


My real question here is IM Andrew Greet able to refute what Kaufman and Emms recommend against the Center Game in there books The Chess Advantage in Black and White and Play the Open Games as Black?
  
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Reply #97 - 04/11/08 at 12:06:24
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Excuse me to be off topic, but, do we have a discussion of Comas book? I became mildly interested and would like to know other people's views.

Thx in advance
  
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Reply #96 - 04/09/08 at 12:49:06
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Ametanoitos wrote on 04/08/08 at 22:16:07:
As for 5..Nxb5 line i agree with Emms who claims an advantage (a small one ofcourse!). The position looks like a Philidor, white having the space advantage. In this case the two bishops have no advantage.


Who am I to disagree with Emms, but I think it's essentially equal.  I wouldn't be so ready to dismiss the two bishops, which could eventually find their scope.  And the exchange of one pair of minor pieces means that Black is more content with his small center than he would be in a Philidor.

I am remembering my plan for the White pieces from former days.  It was Qd3, b3, Bb2, Nc3-e2-g3.  Sometimes c2-c4.  Laborious, though I admit don't know what Black should do in the mean time.
  
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Reply #95 - 04/09/08 at 05:34:36
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/07/08 at 13:28:44:
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After 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Qxd4 Nc6 4.Qe3 Nf6 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Bd2 O-O 7.O-O-O Re8 8.Qg3 Rxe4 9.a3, what does IM Andrew Greet recommend against the move 9...Bd6? This move is recommended by Larry Kaufman in his book The Chess Advantage in Black and White.

Also, after 1 e4 e5 2 d4 exd4 3 Qxd4 Nc6 4 Qe3 Nf6 5 Nc3 Be7 6 Bc4 0-0 7 Bd2 d6, what does IM Andrew Greet recommend?


10 f4 and 8 0-0-0

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In the chapter on Calming the Romantics, after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 c3 Nf6 5 d4 exd4 6 cxd4 Bb4+ 7 Bd2 Nxe4 8 Bxb4 Nxb4 9 Bxf7 + Kxf7 10 Qb3, Does Gleen Flear recommend 10...d5, 10...Kf8, or does he analyze both moves?


Both moves, but mostly the 'ambitious' 10...d5.


Thank you GM Tony Kosten for answering my questions! Bibs, It's ok to ask questions like this on the forum! Stop giving me a hard time for writing posts like this!
  
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Reply #94 - 04/08/08 at 23:56:30
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Some minutes ago my coach emailed me two "solutions" after 9.d4. Great stuff!

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bb4 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 d6 7. Bg5 Bxc3 8.bxc3 Qe7 9. d4 Nd8 10. d5 h6! 11. Bh4 g5

(This is the second solution which maybe is the best 11... Bg4 12. h3 Bxf3! 13. Qxf3 g5 14.Bg3 c6! 15. Bc4 cxd5 16. exd5 b6! 17. Ba6 Nd7! 18. Rab1 f5 19. Rfe1 f4 20. Bh2 Nc5 21. Bd3 Ndb7 and Black has the advantage! White's play can be improved? I don't know!)

12. Nxg5 Nxe4! This move saves Black! 13. Nf3
(13. Nxe4 Qxh4 14. Nd2 f5 15. Nf3 Qf6 is no problem)
13... Ng5! 14. Nxg5 hxg5 15. Bg3 f5 with great attacking chances! I don't know if Marin in his second edition says anything about 9.d4 but my guess is that if he does it wou;d be something like this! Aliso it seems that Pinski reccomends 7...Ne7!? is his book.
  
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Reply #93 - 04/08/08 at 22:16:07
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9.d4 Nd8 10.d5! c6 11.Bd3 cxd5 12.exd5 and now if 12...Bg4 we enter the reccomentation of Davies in "Play 1.e4 e5!", Fabrego analyses: 13.h3 Bh5 14.g4 Bh5 15.Re1! (now it is time for Re1!) b6 16.Nd4! white is better.

I just discovered that there are some new things in the line 8...Ne7 (instead of the 8...Qe7) because the "main move" 9.Nh4 Bg4! is a new idea which is strong! GM Kritz gives as best 9.Ne2 Ng6 10.c3 Ba5 11.Nh4 but i don't think that white here can claim any advantage...

As for 5..Nxb5 line i agree with Emms who claims an advantage (a small one ofcourse!). The position looks like a Philidor, white having the space advantage. In this case the two bishops have no advantage.
  
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Reply #92 - 04/08/08 at 21:12:01
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micawber wrote on 04/08/08 at 19:20:28:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Nd4 5. O-O c6

I just wonder what white has exactly after
5...Nxb5 6.Nxb5,c6 7.Nc3,d6


White has nothing, really, I opine.  I used to play this as White.  I would put my QB on b2 and try to put pressure on e5.  I never got too much from it.  I have no idea what the author of this chapter of the book recommends, however; perhaps a better method of play than mine.
  
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Reply #91 - 04/08/08 at 19:20:28
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1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Nd4 5. O-O c6

I just wonder what white has exactly after
5...Nxb5 6.Nxb5,c6 7.Nc3,d6
  
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Reply #90 - 04/08/08 at 15:45:03
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Ametanoitos wrote on 04/08/08 at 14:22:54:
Also GM Fabrego refutes the reccomendation of Davies (the ...Bg4 line) in his book True Lies in Chess.


Would you mind supplying Fabrego's idea here?
  
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