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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #158 - 05/19/18 at 09:13:39
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IM Andrew Greet wrote on 04/28/18 at 12:07:49:
I read on a Facebook post yesterday that Tim Taylor is selling the last few copies of his KG book for $1000 per copy (no, it's not a typo - a thousand US dollars really is the price). Good luck to him with that. Anyway, I'm not here to discuss the price/value of his book, but reading this post about his book did make me slightly curious about what he gives against 3...Nc6, which was famously and controversially recommended in Shaw's book as a refutation of 3.Bc4.
A brief look at Taylor's blog and Facebook page revealed that he attaches a '?!' sign to Black's third move, and claims to bust/refute Shaw's analysis, so I can only imagine he's found something really amazing for White. Can anyone who has read Taylor's book shed any light on the details? No need to give away full analysis, killer novelties and so on - I'm just curious to get some idea of where the supposed weakness of 3...Nc6 lies, and whether Taylor really has found something impressive for White.


Unless he updated the original draft for his self-published version, then no he hasn't. He didn't know John Shaw was writing a book until after he'd finished his own, and the supposedly critical line 3...Nc6 4 d4 Nf6 5 Nc3 Bb4 6 Ne2 f3 only featured in a note. But what he did do was recognize (independently) that this line is not as bad for White as John Shaw thought. In other words there's no real need to find anything impressive because White is already okay. This variation was discussed quite a bit on the forum. And I subsequently blogged about it >here< Smiley
  

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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #157 - 05/06/18 at 06:20:31
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Retirement-age low-rated IM (only 2233 FIDE) writes a chess book.

I fail to see the allure.

But good luck to him I guess if someone wants to buy such. There’s one born every day.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #156 - 05/05/18 at 22:04:15
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IM Andrew Greet wrote on 04/28/18 at 12:07:49:
I read on a Facebook post yesterday that Tim Taylor is selling the last few copies of his KG book for $1000 per copy (no, it's not a typo - a thousand US dollars really is the price). Good luck to him with that. Anyway, I'm not here to discuss the price/value of his book, but reading this post about his book did make me slightly curious about what he gives against 3...Nc6, which was famously and controversially recommended in Shaw's book as a refutation of 3.Bc4.
A brief look at Taylor's blog and Facebook page revealed that he attaches a '?!' sign to Black's third move, and claims to bust/refute Shaw's analysis, so I can only imagine he's found something really amazing for White. Can anyone who has read Taylor's book shed any light on the details? No need to give away full analysis, killer novelties and so on - I'm just curious to get some idea of where the supposed weakness of 3...Nc6 lies, and whether Taylor really has found something impressive for White.


Had been thinking of buying this book last year but saw he had 'sold out'...disappointed to see that he still had copies and is now selling at a crazy price.
  

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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #155 - 04/28/18 at 12:07:49
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I read on a Facebook post yesterday that Tim Taylor is selling the last few copies of his KG book for $1000 per copy (no, it's not a typo - a thousand US dollars really is the price). Good luck to him with that. Anyway, I'm not here to discuss the price/value of his book, but reading this post about his book did make me slightly curious about what he gives against 3...Nc6, which was famously and controversially recommended in Shaw's book as a refutation of 3.Bc4.
A brief look at Taylor's blog and Facebook page revealed that he attaches a '?!' sign to Black's third move, and claims to bust/refute Shaw's analysis, so I can only imagine he's found something really amazing for White. Can anyone who has read Taylor's book shed any light on the details? No need to give away full analysis, killer novelties and so on - I'm just curious to get some idea of where the supposed weakness of 3...Nc6 lies, and whether Taylor really has found something impressive for White.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #154 - 02/24/18 at 22:24:41
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I recently played a King's Gambit for the first time in 10 years! Smiley It was fun, although I only managed to draw despite gaining a large advantage. Embarrassed We reached the position mentioned by zen_learner below after 11.Be2, but my opponent played the inaccurate 11...Ng6, so the rest of the game isn't particularly significant.

zen_learner wrote on 07/27/13 at 13:20:14:
Unfortunately, it was short lived. There is a serious dead end.

Worse than the Berlin. Pity of such effort (his previous book on the Spanish was good, as it was Emms').

The game is Zviangitsev-Smirnov. Deviations as white lead to a worse position. Uff.

[Event "A dead end"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Zvianginsev"]
[Black "Smirnov"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C37"]
[EventDate "2008.07.27"]

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.d4 Bg7 5.Nc3 d6 { This is a dead end } 6.g3 Nc6
7.d5 Ne5 8.gxf4 gxf4 9.Bxf4 Bg4 10.Bb5+ Kf8 11.Be2 Bxf3 ( 11...Nxf3+ 12.Bxf3
Qf6 ) 12.Bxf3 Qf6 13.Bxe5 Qxe5 14.O-O Qd4+ 15.Kh1 Qxd1 16.Nxd1 Re8 *

OK. Back to Spanish/Italian/Scotch...

However, looking at zen_learner's variation 11...Nxf3+ 12.Bxf3 Qf6, isn't he right after all that White is worse here? (Shaw only gives 12...Bxc3+). In the single game I found from this position, it seems like Black was the one pressing for a win:
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #153 - 02/05/18 at 17:09:06
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Paul Cumbers wrote on 02/04/18 at 22:54:57:
So what's the plan if Black plays 6...Be7 (instead of 6...Bg7)? Maybe 7.Ng2 f3 8.Nf4. The engine evaluation is making me nervous though (perhaps I should just ignore it Wink ).


Dunno Smiley

There's one game in the database with that:

[Event "Lechenicher SchachServer"]
[Date "13.04.2016"]
[White "Tarmak,Mart"]
[Black "Zielinski,Sergej"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C37"]

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Nc3 d6 5.g3 g4 6.Nh4 Be7 7.Ng2 f3 8.Nf4 h5 9.h4 c6 10.d4 d5 11.exd5 Bd6 12.Bc4 Nf6 13.Kf2 Kf8 14.Re1 Bf5 15.Re5 Qc8 16.Rxf5 Qxf5 17.Ne6+ fxe6 18.Bd3 Qxd5 19.Nxd5 cxd5 20.Bg5 Nbd7 21.c3 Kf7 22.Qb3 b5 23.a4 a6 24.Qc2 bxa4 25.Rxa4 Rhb8 26.Bh7 Nf8 27.Bxf6 Kxf6 28.Bd3 Kg7 29.c4 Be7 30.cxd5 Ra7 31.dxe6 Nxe6 32.d5 1-0

I've not studied it though.
  

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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #152 - 02/04/18 at 22:54:57
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 07/02/15 at 14:33:56:
[Event "ChessWorld.net"]
[Date "2015"]
[White "tsmenace"]
[Black "alapin"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C37"]

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Nc3 d6 5. g3 g4 6. Nh4 Bg7 7. d4 f3 8. Be3 Nc6 9. Qd2 Nf6 10. O-O-O d5 11. e5 Ne4 12. Nxe4 dxe4 13. Bc4 Be6 14. Bg5 Qd7 15. d5 Nxe5 16. Bb3 Bf5 17. Qf4 f6 18. Nxf5 fxg5 19. Nxg7+ Qxg7 20. Ba4+ c6 21. Qf5 b5 22. dxc6 bxa4 23. Rd6 Ng6 24. Rhd1 a3 25. c3 f2 26. Re6+ Ne7 27. c7 1-0

So what's the plan if Black plays 6...Be7 (instead of 6...Bg7)? Maybe 7.Ng2 f3 8.Nf4. The engine evaluation is making me nervous though (perhaps I should just ignore it Wink ).
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #151 - 03/11/17 at 12:27:00
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after 10.Qf2 Qxf2+ 11.Kxf2 Ne7! 12.Nb5 Kd8 13.Bxf4 a6 14.Nc3 Nbc6 15.Rd1 white seems to have full compensation for the pawn.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #150 - 03/11/17 at 12:11:01
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buddho wrote on 03/11/17 at 12:00:50:
Hi Brabo, yes that's the solution - great!

Without deep analysis of this line the engines are initially deterred by 10.Qf2 g3, which turns out to be great for white after 11.Qxf4.

Many thanks.

After 10.Qf2 g3 11.Qxf4 g2+ 12.Qxh4 gxh1(Q) black is a rook up but the engine coolly plays 13.Kf2 and doesn't see any rescue anymore for blacks second queen. The Kingsgambit is definitely not boring. I doubt very much that I would see all this in advance when playing unprepared a standard game.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #149 - 03/11/17 at 12:00:50
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Hi Brabo, yes that's the solution - great!

Without deep analysis of this line the engines are initially deterred by 10.Qf2 g3, which turns out to be great for white after 11.Qxf4.

Many thanks.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #148 - 03/11/17 at 10:20:54
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This analysis has of course nothing anymore to do with OTB chess as I expect chance is close to 0% such lines can occur in normal practice.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #147 - 03/10/17 at 16:21:38
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I think 8 Nf5 can be nicely met by 8...Bxf5 9 exf5 Nc6, when 10 Bb5 is neutralized by 10...Kf8! - Black's King seems pretty safe here, and I don't think White's manages to make it to the Queenside. e.g. upon regaining the pawn with 11 Bxc6 (11 Qxg4 Nxd4) 11...bxc6 12 Qxg4, there is 12...h5 13 Qf3 and now the annoying sequence 13...fxg3 14 hxg3 Bxc1 15 Rxc1 Qg5!, when it looks like Black has a clear advantage either in the ending (after 16 Qf4 Qxf4 17 exf4) or the middlegame, where White's King looks to be in danger.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #146 - 03/10/17 at 08:09:38
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buddho wrote on 03/09/17 at 17:02:53:
I have come across a problem for white that I cannot solve.

After 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d6 4.d4 g5 5.g3 g4 6.Nh4 Bh6! the best I can do for white is 7.Nc3 Bg5 8.Ng2 f3 9.Nf4 h5 10.h4 Bf6 11.Be3 c6 12.Qd2 Bg7 13.O-O-O Ne7 =+

Any improvements for white?


Did you look at 8 Nf5 - ?
  

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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #145 - 03/09/17 at 17:02:53
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I have come across a problem for white that I cannot solve.

After 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d6 4.d4 g5 5.g3 g4 6.Nh4 Bh6! the best I can do for white is 7.Nc3 Bg5 8.Ng2 f3 9.Nf4 h5 10.h4 Bf6 11.Be3 c6 12.Qd2 Bg7 13.O-O-O Ne7 =+

Any improvements for white?
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #144 - 02/11/17 at 20:15:16
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 02/19/14 at 11:39:42:
Your analysis in The Fascinating King's Gambit still holds in my opinion. But instead of 11.Ng3?, White should play 11.Qd2! intending 11...0-0 12.Qg5. When the queens are exchanged, there is not the slightest reason why Black's fewer pawn islands should be a factor. White's center may well be more important. A refutation of the King's Bishop Gambit this Black line is certainly not.


And I've now just blogged about that:
http://200opengames.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/012-bust-to-bishops-gambit.html
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