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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #56 - 07/27/13 at 08:49:59
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Benoniac wrote on 07/26/13 at 23:03:18:
TalJechin wrote on 06/28/13 at 17:11:14:
Ametanoitos wrote on 06/28/13 at 12:18:55:
He uses 35 or so pages to prove it!


Or trying to prove it... If it's 3...Nc6 I already don't believe him.  Grin

Still, one can claim an academic "=+" to justify not dealing with something. A quite recent example is 1.e4 c5 2.f4 which everyone over 2000 would know should be met with 2...d5 and therefore White should play 2.Nc3 and only 3.f4 according to practically all books on the Grand Prix - and yet Sveshnikov is apparently advocating 2.f4 in his new book! Evaluations are re-evaluated all the time...


I would say  that 3...Nc6 is a big challenge to the Bishop gambit.


Well, there are many challenges to the KG... As for 3...Nc6 I thought White's activity would compensate for the extra pawn islands. Though nowadays Black seems to score a huge percent in this variation - although a couple of corr games still seem like a road to rough equality, but nowadays White seems to be the one avoiding these, maybe for a reason...?



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Actually Surtees' 3.c4 seems new to me too, I can't find a single game with it in my databases. (However, there a two games with 1.e4 e6 2.c4 e5 3.f4 exf4.)
I assume the plan is to eventually hide the king on c2 if Black's queen checks...? If you have any games with it available feel free to start a new thread on it.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #55 - 07/26/13 at 23:03:18
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TalJechin wrote on 06/28/13 at 17:11:14:
Ametanoitos wrote on 06/28/13 at 12:18:55:
He uses 35 or so pages to prove it!


Or trying to prove it... If it's 3...Nc6 I already don't believe him.  Grin

Still, one can claim an academic "=+" to justify not dealing with something. A quite recent example is 1.e4 c5 2.f4 which everyone over 2000 would know should be met with 2...d5 and therefore White should play 2.Nc3 and only 3.f4 according to practically all books on the Grand Prix - and yet Sveshnikov is apparently advocating 2.f4 in his new book! Evaluations are re-evaluated all the time...


I dont got the book myself. But I would say  that 3...Nc6 is a big challenge to the Bishop gambit. Taljechins book is from 2004, and the engines has gotten very much more powerful since then. Also the QC-team has told the public about their "supercomputer" at their office a while ago, and surely John Shaw has had accsess to this.

So it wouldnt suprise me if Shaw, if not refuted, has  made the Bishop Gambit not appealing for white.

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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #54 - 07/26/13 at 22:21:29
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I got the book today, looked at some lines of the Kieseritzky and thought...Uh oh, 680 pages wasted... For the off-beat lines a 2600 gets thrashed recently by a 2500 (black) so things were looking pretty grim indeed until...

Some wonderful variations. Some pretty good discoveries. Whether I'll be able to remember the analysis or risk playing the opening... too soon to tell. But it is very professional, it just goes in unsuspected ways ... It will remain the reference book in years to come.... Wink Wink
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #53 - 07/26/13 at 20:17:29
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The book does look great.  Interestingly I can't find reference to Mike Surtees' line 1 e4 e5  2 f4 exf4  3 c4 which he has even played versus Hebden!
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #52 - 07/26/13 at 13:13:08
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My copy arrived this morning Smiley

Just looking through it for an hour or so, I'm hugely impressed. Clearly loads of work has gone into this. Much respect to the author.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #51 - 07/20/13 at 18:42:17
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http://www.newinchess.com/The_King_s_Gambit-p-7093.html

And the preview pdf:
http://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/7093.pdf
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #50 - 06/29/13 at 13:57:13
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Please, try to stay on topic. If you want a discussion on the merits of 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5, take it to the Anti-Sicilians section.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #49 - 06/29/13 at 10:42:34
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1.e4 c5, 2.f4 d5 is NOT =+
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #48 - 06/28/13 at 19:18:35
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TalJechin wrote on 06/28/13 at 17:11:14:
Still, one can claim an academic "=+" to justify not dealing with something. A quite recent example is 1.e4 c5 2.f4 which everyone over 2000 would know should be met with 2...d5 and therefore White should play 2.Nc3 and only 3.f4 according to practically all books on the Grand Prix - and yet Sveshnikov is apparently advocating 2.f4 in his new book! Evaluations are re-evaluated all the time...


And people write books to make a quick buck all the time, too.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #47 - 06/28/13 at 17:11:14
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Ametanoitos wrote on 06/28/13 at 12:18:55:
He uses 35 or so pages to prove it!


Or trying to prove it... If it's 3...Nc6 I already don't believe him.  Grin

Still, one can claim an academic "=+" to justify not dealing with something. A quite recent example is 1.e4 c5 2.f4 which everyone over 2000 would know should be met with 2...d5 and therefore White should play 2.Nc3 and only 3.f4 according to practically all books on the Grand Prix - and yet Sveshnikov is apparently advocating 2.f4 in his new book! Evaluations are re-evaluated all the time...
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #46 - 06/28/13 at 13:16:33
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That's it!?

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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
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He uses 35 or so pages to prove it!
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #44 - 06/28/13 at 08:59:45
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Hmm, I wonder if he can prove his "3.Bc4?!" or if it's just his way of avoiding 1200 pages...
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #43 - 06/27/13 at 20:38:57
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It should be noted that Shaw gives much praise to Micawber's notes here in the forum!  Check the acknowledgements in the pdf sample.
  
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Re: C30-C39: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #42 - 06/27/13 at 17:47:59
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at last, the King's Gambit by John Shaw is finished and will (probably) be published on 12 July
a new excerpt can be found here:
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/King%27sGambit-excerpt.pdf
  
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