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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #16 - 10/25/08 at 14:01:43
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I just looked at all the John Shaw King's Gambit games on the Opening master 5,000,000 game database. They were all played between 1992 and 1995. He did not score well. However I did not like some of the lines that he played. Furthermore he is a much stronger player now then he was in 1995.

  

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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #15 - 10/25/08 at 13:53:42
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TopNotch wrote on 10/24/08 at 02:15:59:
Personally I'm hoping the King's Gambit becomes a popular guest in current OTB play, particularly among the higher rated set, as this would make my task of playing for a win with either color less of a headache. Wink

Like so many sharp gambits, I think the King's Gambit could work best if used judiciously and in moderation.

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You might score more wins with either color but you would have to play really good chess. But isn't that the idea.




  

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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #14 - 10/24/08 at 02:15:59
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I guess the best thing to do now is simply wait for the book to come out, or for those who can't wait could leave a message for John Shaw inquiring as to the format.

Personally I'm hoping the King's Gambit becomes a popular guest in current OTB play, particularly among the higher rated set, as this would make my task of playing for a win with either color less of a headache. Wink

Like so many sharp gambits, I think the King's Gambit could work best if used judiciously and in moderation.

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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #13 - 10/24/08 at 00:41:28
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TopNotch wrote on 10/23/08 at 02:00:51:
I maintain my view that the days of a repertoire book for White with the King's Gambit as the center piece are long gone.

Maybe Quality Chess may prove me wrong, but I seriously doubt it.


I believe that you would require too much knowledge to include a chapter in a repertoire book. You would need a specialist book. For example you would need 20-30 pages to deal with the Falkbeer Counter gambit adequately alone.

TopNotch wrote on 10/23/08 at 02:00:51:
What I expect is an up to date reference book examining the state of current theory without a bias for either side. That said I still expect Black to come out way ahead.



That would be exellent. I do not think that black would come out way ahead. There are a few lines where things look quite unclear to me especially in the Kieseritzy Gambit if white knows what he is doing. However  white looks OK in most other lines of the Knights Gambit. In the bishops Gambit black can hold the position but I do not think that white is in danger of losing.

Nevertheless the King's Gambit is harder to play well that other 1.e4 e5 openings. The resulting middle game positions are often even but very unbalanced.   
  

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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #12 - 10/23/08 at 20:44:25
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Well, as I say, there are two repertoire books out there with early d4-gambits in the Italian Game, and 4.d4 against the Two Knights, as their centrepiece (A Startling Chess Repertoire, Chris Baker, and The Italian Gambit System, Acers & Laven).  Objectively those openings are considered easier to equalise against than the KG.  Yet they sold well.
  
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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #11 - 10/23/08 at 02:00:51
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flaviddude wrote on 10/22/08 at 02:30:45:
The Kings' Gambit is a very complex opening. The repertoire books are good and white needs to know how to answer their recommendations.

The positions that arise are quite different to other openings and difficult to play for both players. Furthermore the opening is still developing. Look at the articles by Stefan Bucker at Chess Cafe or the article in the latest Kaissiber.

I am getting on in years and my over the board ability is falling. Nevertheless I use the King's Gambit in correspondence.  Over the board I would not hesitate to use the King's Gambit against significantly higher rated steady positional players who would expect to beat me. The fact that I know a good deal about the opening has a deterrant effect on my opponents. An Australian called Trevor hay wrote a book on the King's Gambit. For years after wards almost no-one played 1.e5 after his 1.e4. The same thing is happening to me.  

  A    further point is that you need good endgame technique to play the Kings Gambit as white.  


The flip side of this argument is that when facing weaker opposition you expect to beat, then this Opening maybe less than desirable.

I maintain my view that the days of a repertoire book for White with the King's Gambit as the center piece are long gone.

Maybe Quality Chess may prove me wrong, but I seriously doubt it.

What I expect is an up to date reference book examining the state of current theory without a bias for either side. That said I still expect Black to come out way ahead.

Toppy Smiley
  

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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #10 - 10/22/08 at 02:30:45
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The Kings' Gambit is a very complex opening. The repertoire books are good and white needs to know how to answer their recommendations.

The positions that arise are quite different to other openings and difficult to play for both players. Furthermore the opening is still developing. Look at the articles by Stefan Bucker at Chess Cafe or the article in the latest Kaissiber.

I am getting on in years and my over the board ability is falling. Nevertheless I use the King's Gambit in correspondence.  Over the board I would not hesitate to use the King's Gambit against significantly higher rated steady positional players who would expect to beat me. The fact that I know a good deal about the opening has a deterrant effect on my opponents. An Australian called Trevor hay wrote a book on the King's Gambit. For years after wards almost no-one played 1.e5 after his 1.e4. The same thing is happening to me.   

   A    further point is that you need good endgame technique to play the Kings Gambit as white.
  

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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #9 - 10/20/08 at 06:36:45
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only 1% of chess players become GM. so all others are just amateurs.

As a amateur and ex-club player, but nowdays as scientist and underground chess player, I'm very delighted to slaughter internet chess players on playchess.de server with KIng's Gambit Smiley

  
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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #8 - 10/20/08 at 02:42:33
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trw wrote on 10/20/08 at 00:16:58:
its not the opening is unsound or refuted or scores badly but its romantic days are dead.


Guess what - this is true for all openings popular between 1800 and 1914. The romantic days for the QGD and the English are over too. So this provides zero information.
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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #7 - 10/20/08 at 00:31:41
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It might be dead at GM level (as indeed may most, if not all, of the alternatives to the traditional Lopez after 1.e4 e5), but I can vouch for the fact that the King's Gambit remains popular- and dangerous!- at club level, and is still occasionally seen even up to lower GM level.  Remember that only a small minority of chessplayers ever approach GM level.

If such a KG book is well written I can see it raising a fair amount of revenue from lower-rated players.  I can think of a number of books on gambits that are even easier to equalise against, e.g. Goring, Danish, Max Lange, Belgrade, Smith-Morra etc, that sold rather well despite the openings being shunned at master level.  Or, for that matter, sub-optimal non-gambit lines like the Four Knights and Ponziani.
  
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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #6 - 10/20/08 at 00:16:58
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MNb wrote on 10/19/08 at 22:04:16:
trw wrote on 10/19/08 at 21:46:02:
rossia seems to have gone crazy for an opening whose romantic days are dead.

Must have been the zillionth time these words are written. Peculiar that it still pops up again and again - and scores well.



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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #5 - 10/19/08 at 22:04:16
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trw wrote on 10/19/08 at 21:46:02:
rossia seems to have gone crazy for an opening whose romantic days are dead.

Must have been the zillionth time these words are written. Peculiar that it still pops up again and again - and scores well.
  

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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #4 - 10/19/08 at 21:46:02
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Fernando Semprun wrote on 10/19/08 at 16:24:43:
TopNotch wrote on 10/18/08 at 15:50:06:
The days for a Kings Gambit repertoire book are long gone, unless its aimed at Black. So this book is likely to be a general treatise on the opening.

Toppy Smiley



Is writing against KG your favourite topic?  Grin


Well the guy is right so its hard to dispute him?

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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #3 - 10/19/08 at 16:24:43
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TopNotch wrote on 10/18/08 at 15:50:06:
The days for a Kings Gambit repertoire book are long gone, unless its aimed at Black. So this book is likely to be a general treatise on the opening.

Toppy Smiley



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Re: John Shaw: The King's Gambit
Reply #2 - 10/18/08 at 16:07:10
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TopNotch wrote on 10/18/08 at 15:50:06:
The days for a Kings Gambit repertoire book are long gone


Why do you think so?

Besides, there's no need to build a repertoire for Black, that's already done, for example in Marin's "Beating the Open Games", Emms' "Play the Open Games as Black", or Davies' "Play 1 e4 e5".

I expect nothing better than ULTIMATE KINGS GAMBIT BOOK for WHITE PLAYER.

Recently Johanssons "Fascinating King's Gambit" raised very high level of analysis for KG.

I hope that the Quality Chess book will be able to raise this standard even further up  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  
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