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Re: 2 knights tango
Reply #8 - 03/26/09 at 11:01:00
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H'mm -- interesting. I can see that Black could easily be done over by White's flexibility if he isn't careful. Anyone got thoughts on this? My first thought is to try to make 11 ...f5 work if poss.
  
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Re: 2 knights tango
Reply #7 - 03/05/09 at 18:46:21
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TN wrote on 03/03/09 at 07:19:27:
Markovich wrote on 03/03/09 at 02:33:22:
Well, 3...e6 4.a3 is pretty strong, isn't it?


4.a3 is a sensible system, but as stated in another thread, 4...d6 5.Nc3 g6 is best, and should offer Black equality with best play. This was Palliser's evaluation in his book 'Tango!' from 2005; compared to a 'normal' KID, White has the extra move a3, but the extra move ...e6 gives Black some extra options without ...e5.


I tend to agree with Markovich here. I don't see how exactly black equalizes against 4.a3!?, nor do I find a statement to that effect in Palliser's book (which I own). After what IMHO is White's most accurate move order - 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nf3 e6 4.a3 d6 5.Nc3 g6 6.e4 Bg7 7.h3 0-0 8.Bg5 h6 9.Be3 Re8 10.Bd3! Nd7 11.Be2! Black's position appears slightly suspect to me.
  
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Re: 2 knights tango
Reply #6 - 03/03/09 at 07:19:27
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Markovich wrote on 03/03/09 at 02:33:22:
Well, 3...e6 4.a3 is pretty strong, isn't it?


4.a3 is a sensible system, but as stated in another thread, 4...d6 5.Nc3 g6 is best, and should offer Black equality with best play. This was Palliser's evaluation in his book 'Tango!' from 2005; compared to a 'normal' KID, White has the extra move a3, but the extra move ...e6 gives Black some extra options without ...e5.
  

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Re: 2 knights tango
Reply #5 - 03/03/09 at 02:33:22
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Well, 3...e6 4.a3 is pretty strong, isn't it?
  

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Re: 2 knights tango
Reply #4 - 03/01/09 at 04:09:14
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analyzethat wrote on 02/14/09 at 02:29:04:
I am thinking about playing the 2 knights tango and have a few questions:

1.Is it any good objectively?
2.How well do white players know this opening (for example someone with a rating of 2100).
3.Which are the most problematic variations for black do you think?

4.Personally I feel 3.Nf3 is annoying. 3...e6 or 3...d6 or perhaps even 3...d5. Is there any move that is objectively best?

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1. Only if White avoids the transposition to the Zurich Variation with 3.Nf3 e6 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.Qc2. So against an advocate of the Classical NID as White, the Tango is not a good idea.

2. They will have a system prepared for the Tango, but if you study it properly, you will be more familiar with the opening and probably the typical middlegames than your opponents.

3. Definitely the Zurich Variation. White has several ways to obtain a slight edge, namely with 6.Bd2 and 6.Bg5.

4. Stick with 3...e6. Moves such as 3...d5?! are a case of 'the cure is worse than the disease'. 3...d5 is likely to transpose to the dubious 1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6?! variation of the Chigorin.

There was a thread about 3...d6 not very long ago, but there I convincingly showed how White can secure a slight but very stable advantage. However, if your opponents are not familiar with 3...d6 then you will probably get away with it. 
  

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Re: 2 knights tango
Reply #3 - 02/26/09 at 07:07:29
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There is a new book on the Tango! Check it out from the United States Chess Federation!
  
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Re: 2 knights tango
Reply #2 - 02/14/09 at 20:32:15
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Thank you, I looked at these threads before I posted it but I wished to start the conversation again.

The other threads do not answer for example question 1 o 2 in my opinion.
  
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Re: 2 knights tango
Reply #1 - 02/14/09 at 10:01:49
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Here we go again. Why, for heaven's sake, are so many people unaware of the SEARCH facility?? Grrrrrr! Angry Is there, I wonder,  anything that could be done to help here, Tony? Maybe a big strapline at the bottom of the Forum pages reminding people about the search button?

If, analyzethat, you'd typed 'Tango' into the search page, you'd have got these threads:

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1233890161/15

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1201973602/0

This process can be taken further. For example, if you were aware that after 3 Nf3 e6 4 Nc3 in the Tango, Black's major option is to play 4 ...Bb4 transposing into the Zurich Variation of the Nimzo-Indian, you could have searched for 'Zurich' and got this:

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1217940875/6#6



  
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2 knights tango
02/14/09 at 02:29:04
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I am thinking about playing the 2 knights tango and have a few questions:

1.Is it any good objectively?
2.How well do white players know this opening (for example someone with a rating of 2100).
3.Which are the most problematic variations for black do you think?

4.Personally I feel 3.Nf3 is annoying. 3...e6 or 3...d6 or perhaps even 3...d5. Is there any move that is objectively best?

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Thanks in advance!
  
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