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MaSu YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 28 Joined: 11/01/08	Re: Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ?? Reply #7 - 03/27/09 at 20:13:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	This variation is too dangerous for black. It is better and easier to play 6.--dxe5. You can find 17.Nxf6 in an article about this variation some month ago.


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JEH God Member Offline "Football is like Chess, only without the dice." Posts: 1456 Location: Reading Joined: 09/22/05 Gender:	Re: Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ?? Reply #6 - 03/13/09 at 22:25:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	Chwileulotne85 wrote on 03/13/09 at 22:06:16: [The variation with 10.exf4 isn't refuted, but the move 14...Qb4 is refuted in my view. This is a good lesson in the dangers of Queens munching b pawns

	Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, stuck in the middlegame with you
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Chwileulotne85 YaBB Newbies Offline My aim is to become GM ;) Posts: 27 Location: Poland Joined: 06/05/07 Gender:	Re: Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ?? Reply #5 - 03/13/09 at 22:06:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	MNb wrote on 03/13/09 at 20:58:47: thibdb13 wrote on 03/13/09 at 13:22:03: Time to go for 5...c5 instead of 0-0 Really? Is 10...e4 (iso ...exf4) refuted as well then? The variation with 10.exf4 isn't refuted, but the move 14...Qb4 is refuted in my view. Black should play 14...Nc6 or 14...Rd8(but then White can draw by perpetual) 10...e4 is much safer move for Black in spite of dangerous variation with 11. Ng5


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JEH God Member Offline "Football is like Chess, only without the dice." Posts: 1456 Location: Reading Joined: 09/22/05 Gender:	Re: Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ?? Reply #4 - 03/13/09 at 22:03:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	Your 17. Nxf6 looks good! Well 5. ...c5 doesn't exactly avoid this sort of mess after 6. e5 Black can always go for the de type ending if defensive calculation is your cup of tea after Nfd7, but I think Nbd7 is the best move objectively. James' comment to 10. ...exf4!? seems rather approprate - "...this seems to be asking for trouble. It does appear to be playable, but not without diligent preparation!" 10. ...e4 looks the way to go.

	Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, stuck in the middlegame with you
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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10756 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ?? Reply #3 - 03/13/09 at 20:58:47	Post Tools	Print Post
	thibdb13 wrote on 03/13/09 at 13:22:03: Time to go for 5...c5 instead of 0-0 Really? Is 10...e4 (iso ...exf4) refuted as well then?

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Chwileulotne85 YaBB Newbies Offline My aim is to become GM ;) Posts: 27 Location: Poland Joined: 06/05/07 Gender:	Re: Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ?? Reply #2 - 03/13/09 at 13:35:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'm playing 5...c5 too but 5...0-0 was better suited to me. Maybe in my previuos variation Black should have played 14...Nc6!? or even 14...Rd8 ,but it still seems hard nut to crack


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thibdb13 God Member Offline Tal was the best Posts: 974 Location: Mechelen Joined: 01/25/07 Gender:	Re: Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ?? Reply #1 - 03/13/09 at 13:22:03	Post Tools	Print Post
	Time to go for 5...c5 instead of 0-0

	Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Chwileulotne85 YaBB Newbies Offline My aim is to become GM ;) Posts: 27 Location: Poland Joined: 06/05/07 Gender:	Refutation of Aus attack 5...0-0,for 10..exf4 ?? 03/13/09 at 11:26:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hi everyone! For some time I'm a chessmaniack:) I have started to play my beloved Pirc/modern defence some time ago. I was going throught a many publications and books on it, and checking all variations of Pirc/modern. When White starts Austrian Attack I play the line with 5...0-0. All the time i was playing the Joe Gallagher reccomended line(from starting out:pirc) with 10...exf4!?(1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5. Nf3 0-0 6. e5 Nfd7 7.h4 c5 8. h5 cxd4 9. Qxd4 dxe5 10. Qf2 exf4!? and then most knowing line is: 11. hxg6 hxg6 12. Qh4 Nf6 13. Bxf4 Qa5(in order to exchange Queens on h5) 14. Bb5!(blockade it) Qb4 15. a3 Qxb2 16. Nd5! Re8?? (he gives ! on this Black 16 move, but I realise that Black is almost lost after this move 16! I don't find any good response to 16.Nd5!) Joe Gallagher and James Vigus in The Pirc in Black and White recomended 16. Re8 ,but my analyse proved that after : 16. Nd5! Re8, White shouldn't play 17. Bxe8? as they recommended but the 17. Nxf6!! and now everything is bad for Black!: a)17...Bxf6?? 18. Qh7+ Kf8 19. Bh6+ Bg7 20. Qh8# b)17...Kf8? 18. Nxe8 and Black is lost c)17...Qxf6 18. Qh7+ Kf8 19. Bh6 and again Black is lost d)17...exf6 18. Bxe8 Qxa1+ 19. Kf2 and: d1) 19...Qxa3 loses to 20. Qh7+ Kf8 21. Rd1! (the threat of Bd6 is deciding the game) d2)19...Qxh1 20. Qxh1 I White is simply winning Summaring when I analysed this line with chess engine it couldnt' find the 17. Nxf6!! a couple moves earlier, so I'm proud of my discovery:) I have hope that this move is my discovery, because I didn't find it in any database. Has anyone some thoughts about my line of 17.Nxf6 ? Greeting czessmaniacks p.s. soory for my english. I'm still learning it:)


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