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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #60 - 11/23/09 at 17:15:32
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Wow, I won!  Smiley

Firstly, many thanks to newinchess for all the work  they put into this competition for supplying the prizes and, of course, to nominate my idea as the most valuable.
Second, congratulations to @papagano, @keano and @stefanbuecker.
3rd, when is the next competiton  Grin

  

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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #59 - 11/20/09 at 13:38:59
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Well me personally I like it more to refute something than to support someone else's idea.
However this g4 move has inspired me to try it out, hopefully very soon.
  

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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #58 - 11/20/09 at 12:23:34
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 11/20/09 at 11:07:26:
Everybody seems to be positively surprised by the playability of 8.g4. I can only agree. But nobody else fought on my/the White side in the thread of the competition. In the chat thread Tony suggested ideas for White, but he didn't nominate anything. I know that it is usually easier to prove equality for Black than an advantage for White, but wasn't 8.g4 a great choice to stimulate the attacking spirits in the chesspub members?


True, it did seem that members preferred Black's chances, although personally speaking I would definitely be more happy to play the white side in an OTB game.
  
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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #57 - 11/20/09 at 11:55:06
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Oh, thanks for mentioning my idea in 2nd place of the winner list.

I found this competition highly instructive. Mainly, because the position in question forced the participants to find a balance between initiative and material. And this was no easy task. I for once decided to analyse lines where Black refuses to pick up the pawn, but gewgaw demonstrated how Black can probably neutralize the white initiative even better by ...Nxg4. So his piece of analysis is a well deserved winner!

As to Stefan's remark that he was the only one fighting for the white side: Well, this was a competition of analysis (not a practical game), thus, supported with engines it is often easier to defend. Another argument is that obviously many chessplayers out there do not fully trust the gambit idea 8.g4 either. After all, there has not been a single new game played in this line since YB 91 raised the topic.

Thanks again for the competition! This seemed to me to bring about much more serious analysis than in most other threads of our forum.
  
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Reply #56 - 11/20/09 at 11:07:26
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@Tony
As I said above, the third prize The Chebanenko Slav According to Bologan should go to Keano. The rules are clear. Moreover, it is a horrible idea to tear up such a good book. Third, the book Chebanenko Slav has already been reviewed - and praised - in Kaissiber 34. So there is no problem at all.

Everybody seems to be positively surprised by the playability of 8.g4. I can only agree. But nobody else fought on my/the White side in the thread of the competition. In the chat thread Tony suggested ideas for White, but he didn't nominate anything. I know that it is usually easier to prove equality for Black than an advantage for White, but wasn't 8.g4 a great choice to stimulate the attacking spirits in the chesspub members?
  
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Reply #55 - 11/20/09 at 09:47:49
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I just realised I finished up in 3rd place  Wink I am kind of staggered since I had intended supplying more analysis but didnt get around to it. Like Willempie I was surprised by the viability of this g4 move - it is cave-man chess, but sometimes this can work!
  
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Reply #54 - 11/19/09 at 20:58:22
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Yeah it was a nice competition. I gained some valuable insights. Funny how this neanderthal move seems quite ok.
  

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Reply #53 - 11/19/09 at 16:46:31
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Many thanks to René Olthof and Peter Boel from New in Chess - they obviously put a lot of work into their decision - well done! (In the earlier competitions I knew what I did when I preferred to let a poll decide... Wink) And the topic was well chosen.
Congratulations to the three winners - Keano really shouldn't share his well deserved third prize with me, as my suggestion of 9.Bxe7 Qxe7 10.g5 wasn't officially nominated, it only appeared as a comment in the chat thread. The rules are saying that everybody can nominate only one idea, and that nominations have to be posted in the main thread of the competition.
  
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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #52 - 11/17/09 at 21:52:12
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gewgaw wrote on 11/17/09 at 19:12:53:
Has anyone seen white smoke by the jury?

Hopefully they are busy deciding the final placings. Smiley
  
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Reply #51 - 11/17/09 at 19:12:53
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Has anyone seen white smoke by the jury?
  

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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #50 - 11/13/09 at 23:01:50
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Right you are, maybe it is time to ban all these premature g2-g4 advances... BTW, Carlsen has also joined the club by confronting Anand with 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. Bg5 Bb4 6. a3 Bxc3+ 7. bxc3 h6 8. Bxf6 Qxf6 9. e3 b5 10. a4 c6 11. Ne5 a6 12. g4 at the ongoing the Tal memorial (Moscow, 5.11.2009, ˝:˝, 36)
  
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Reply #49 - 11/13/09 at 22:05:24
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By the way, Jan Werle (a GM known as having a "positional" style) played 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 0-0 7. e3 Ne4 8. Bxe7 Qxe7 9. Rc1 Nxc3 10. Rxc3 c6 11. g4 today (successfully, against IM Van der Werf).  Where will it end?
  
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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #48 - 11/02/09 at 23:14:31
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 11/02/09 at 13:30:09:
I am going to close the competition soon, and ask NIC to decide on the winners, so if anyone has anything to add please do so soon!! Smiley

With some new material just posted, if anyone needs a few more days, just let me know! Wink
  
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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #47 - 11/02/09 at 22:41:35
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 11/02/09 at 13:30:09:
I am going to close the competition soon, and ask NIC to decide on the winners, so if anyone has anything to add please do so soon!! Smiley

I had a long look at my idea again last weekend, but your 9.Bxf6 spoils all my deep creative thoughts Grin
I think that as black you need to play 8..Ba6 9.Bxf6 gxf6 and then prolly 10. cxd5 Bxf1 11.Rxf1 cxd5 I think white is much better here, but black may be able to hold.
Somehow it reminds me of that line in the exchange QGD with an early Bf5 where black also gets those f-pawns, though this looks worse. Iirc short played it a couple of times (and lost to Van Wely if memory serves).
  

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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #46 - 11/02/09 at 17:44:29
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Kaissiber 35 will be mailed to the subscribers in about nine days. I apologize for being so late again.

13...Ba6 is interesting, but 14.Nh4 Bc8 15.Qf3 Nxd4!? 16.exd4 Re8+ 17.Kd1 Qxd4+ 18.Kc2 looks good for White.

Btw, Black has an alternative in 8...g6, which nobody mentioned in the two threads. Though a bit dry, it seems to be a reasonable defense.
  
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