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Re: I still remember a defence called Tartakower!
Reply #7 - 12/24/09 at 09:40:03
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TalJechin wrote on 12/23/09 at 09:16:31:
There might be a new book out soon about it, though, unless it's been cancelled...


Well, I wonder what's happened to that? John Cox hinted that he might be writing just such a book but that was quite a long time ago now and there's been no word since to substantiate it, so perhaps the project was indeed cancelled. Shame.
  
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Re: I still remember a defence called Tartakower!
Reply #6 - 12/24/09 at 08:31:15
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Nigel Short has used it as his main defence , but you might recall Kramnik also playing it successfully too. Interestingly some weak GM (Mickey Adams) has given up his QID for this and won 3/3 . Good move !!
Definitely very sound- not much literature on it but plenty of high class games.
Side note: Lasker's defence is very sound too.

However, the exchange variation should be avoided unless you know what your doing- nimzo move order but you will need an anti-Catalan system.

I would love an update on this line in Ruslan's opening reviews (his other QG updates were excellent)
  
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Re: I still remember a defence called Tartakower!
Reply #5 - 12/23/09 at 12:02:40
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To avoid the nasty QGD exchange line with Ne2 (instead of Nf3) I think the correct move order for Black is:

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6:

a) 3.Nc3 Bb4 - playing the sound Nimzo

b) 3. Nf3 d5 and transposing to the TMB-line (if 4.ed5 White has restricted his possibilities with 3.Nf3)

The man to follow today is certainly Nigel Short - I remember he does not like Bf6 played by White because Black nets the bishop pair. Even if the position is somewhat blocked in the long run Black may get dynamic counterplay.
  
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Re: I still remember a defence called Tartakower!
Reply #4 - 12/23/09 at 11:13:45
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Pingudon wrote on 12/22/09 at 21:55:28:
Long, long ago I bought a book about the slav. I tried it because I wanted to surprise my friends... everyone played the Tartakower. Fischer, Spassky, Kortchnoi, Petrosian played it a lot. Sometimes we wanted to play a different line to avoid the Tartakower at all cost! That defence was just TOO good. But now it is played very seldom. What has happened? Is it too passive? Is it weak? Is it just fashion? Is it because of the Catalan? Has it been refuted? I would love to hear your comments. Thanks a lot!


By Tartakower I think you mean the Tartakower-Makaganov-Bondarevsky system (TMB): 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. Nf3 O-O 6. e3 h6 7. Bh4 b6

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Now first you forgot Kasparov. He contributed a great deal to this opening and he played it with both colors (this became his main defense in his first two matches with Karpov). Kasparov was also very fond of the capture 7. Bxf6 in the above line.

The second point is that if you want to play QGD (any line not just TMB) you have to accept the fact that White might play the exchange variation. Even with Petrosian's 3. ... Be7 these lines are not easy for Black (that is why so many people wait until White plays Nf3 and only then transpose to QGD lines).
  
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Re: I still remember a defence called Tartakower!
Reply #3 - 12/23/09 at 09:16:31
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I thought it was the Exchange variation that's taken over the mainline status and of course the Semi-Slav's popularity has also reduced the chance of it appearing on the board.

There might be a new book out soon about it, though, unless it's been cancelled...
  
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Re: I still remember a defence called Tartakower!
Reply #2 - 12/22/09 at 22:33:12
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The reason people seem to think it's seldom played nowadays is frankly because 5. Bg5 in the QGD has been sliding in popularity in comparison to 5. Bf4 and the Catalan amongst the elite. Does either one objectively offer white something more? No. Do they both prevent drawish simplifications? Yes. Are they less worked out? Yes.

5. Bf4 isn't even close to as drawish as the Lasker/Tartakower, even in black's best defense to 5. Bf4 (5...0-0 6. e3 Nbd7).

The Catalan, of course, has a number of very complex lines, and black doesn't have a clear road to drawish equality there as of right now.
  

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Re: I still remember a defence called Tartakower!
Reply #1 - 12/22/09 at 21:57:09
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These days the Tartakower is an excellent surprise weapon imo.
  

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I still remember a defence called Tartakower!
12/22/09 at 21:55:28
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Long, long ago I bought a book about the slav. I tried it because I wanted to surprise my friends... everyone played the Tartakower. Fischer, Spassky, Kortchnoi, Petrosian played it a lot. Sometimes we wanted to play a different line to avoid the Tartakower at all cost! That defence was just TOO good. But now it is played very seldom. What has happened? Is it too passive? Is it weak? Is it just fashion? Is it because of the Catalan? Has it been refuted? I would love to hear your comments. Thanks a lot!
  
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