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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen
Reply #11 - 03/20/10 at 07:41:41
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TN wrote on 03/20/10 at 06:27:52:
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Agreed. Then the next key question is, after Be3 and f4, when and whether to play Kh1, a4, Qe1 and Bf3 for White. Generally speaking most of the key lines involve White playing a4 against ...a6 to prevent queenside expansion with ...b5 and Kh1 is played to avoid potential tactics on the a7-g1 diagonal, but then White must decide between Bf3 followed usually by kingside play with f5 or g4-g5, or a quick Qe1-g3 with the intention of breaking with e5. Jansa's strategy book explains all of this more clearly than I can in a single post, especially in regard to Black's ideas.



And black can also choose to play without a6 when white has to pay attention because there Qe1 isn't as strong as against a6.
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen
Reply #10 - 03/20/10 at 06:27:52
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LeeRoth wrote on 03/20/10 at 04:16:34:
Markovich wrote on 03/19/10 at 20:23:26:
Schaakhamster wrote on 03/19/10 at 13:07:23:
After some carefull consideration: if you are willing to risk the Keres then you could wait quite a bit before playing a6 or not.

To me the most flexible move order seems 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4  cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Be2 Be7 7. O-O O-O. Be7 and O-O are moves that will be played in 99% of the games while whether to play a6 or where to develop the b8-knight depends on your approach. Theoretical it doesn't really change much but it might keep your opponent guessing. Basicly it is just about first playing the moves you and your opponent know you are going to play.    



Yeah, and when you throw in (a) that you avoid the Najdorf 6.Bg5 and some other sharp anti-Najdorf systems, and (b) that you avoid 3.Bb5+ and (c) that 2...e6 has fewer problems with other anti-Sicilians, this move is for choice.  But the whole thing depends on your having a good answer to the Keres attack.


Yes, agree, but what do you do about 6.Bg5 if you want to win? 

If you're going to play ..a6 in the next couple of moves, then you haven't really avoided the 6.Bg5 Najdorf.  Wink 


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The move 6.Bg5 is ineffective against the Scheveningen: 6.Bg5 Be7 and now White has two options: Playing as in the Classical Variation with 7.Qd2, or playing in 6.Bg5 Najdorf fashion with 7.f4.

a) 7.Qd2 a6 8.f3 b5 9.h4 Bb7 10.0-0-0 Nbd7 11.Kb1 Rc8 12.g4 Nb6 13.Bd3 Nc4 with at least equality for Black in Mazi-Parligras, Antalya 2004.
b) 7.f4 isn't any better due to 7...h6! 8.Bh4? (8.Bf6 is necessary, but Black must be a bit better with the bishop pair and central majority) 8...Ne4! 9.Be7 Nc3 10.Bd8 Nd1 11.Rd1 Kd8 and Black is up a pawn.

@Schaakhamster

Agreed. Then the next key question is, after Be3 and f4, when and whether to play Kh1, a4, Qe1 and Bf3 for White. Generally speaking most of the key lines involve White playing a4 against ...a6 to prevent queenside expansion with ...b5 and Kh1 is played to avoid potential tactics on the a7-g1 diagonal, but then White must decide between Bf3 followed usually by kingside play with f5 or g4-g5, or a quick Qe1-g3 with the intention of breaking with e5. Jansa's strategy book explains all of this more clearly than I can in a single post, especially in regard to Black's ideas.

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Agreed, and in my opinion the main line with 6...h6 7.h4 (the most common move) Nc6 8.Rg1 h5 9.gh5 (9.g5 Ng4) 9...Nh5 (even 9...Rh5!? looks okay for Black) 10.Bg5 Nf6 and I don't think Black is worse here, although I admit I haven't looked at the theory of this line in some time.
  

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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen
Reply #9 - 03/20/10 at 05:15:15
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Hi all,
What is a good reply to keres attack?  I guess 6...h6 can be agreed on?!?
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen
Reply #8 - 03/20/10 at 04:16:34
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Markovich wrote on 03/19/10 at 20:23:26:
Schaakhamster wrote on 03/19/10 at 13:07:23:
After some carefull consideration: if you are willing to risk the Keres then you could wait quite a bit before playing a6 or not.

To me the most flexible move order seems 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4  cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Be2 Be7 7. O-O O-O. Be7 and O-O are moves that will be played in 99% of the games while whether to play a6 or where to develop the b8-knight depends on your approach. Theoretical it doesn't really change much but it might keep your opponent guessing. Basicly it is just about first playing the moves you and your opponent know you are going to play.    



Yeah, and when you throw in (a) that you avoid the Najdorf 6.Bg5 and some other sharp anti-Najdorf systems, and (b) that you avoid 3.Bb5+ and (c) that 2...e6 has fewer problems with other anti-Sicilians, this move is for choice.  But the whole thing depends on your having a good answer to the Keres attack.


Yes, agree, but what do you do about 6.Bg5 if you want to win? 

If you're going to play ..a6 in the next couple of moves, then you haven't really avoided the 6.Bg5 Najdorf.  Wink 
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen
Reply #7 - 03/19/10 at 20:23:26
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Schaakhamster wrote on 03/19/10 at 13:07:23:
After some carefull consideration: if you are willing to risk the Keres then you could wait quite a bit before playing a6 or not.

To me the most flexible move order seems 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4  cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Be2 Be7 7. O-O O-O. Be7 and O-O are moves that will be played in 99% of the games while whether to play a6 or where to develop the b8-knight depends on your approach. Theoretical it doesn't really change much but it might keep your opponent guessing. Basicly it is just about first playing the moves you and your opponent know you are going to play.    



Yeah, and when you throw in (a) that you avoid the Najdorf 6.Bg5 and some other sharp anti-Najdorf systems, and (b) that you avoid 3.Bb5+ and (c) that 2...e6 has fewer problems with other anti-Sicilians, this move is for choice.  But the whole thing depends on your having a good answer to the Keres attack.
  

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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen
Reply #6 - 03/19/10 at 19:33:06
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 03/19/10 at 17:21:58:
This discussion was recently and extensively covered in the next thread over.

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1268081684;start=0;action=thre...


Not really.  Over their they mostly discuss the pluses and minuses of the attempted transposition from the Taimanov.
  

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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen
Reply #5 - 03/19/10 at 17:21:58
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This discussion was recently and extensively covered in the next thread over.

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1268081684;start=0;action=thre...
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen
Reply #4 - 03/19/10 at 13:07:23
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After some carefull consideration: if you are willing to risk the Keres then you could wait quite a bit before playing a6 or not.

To me the most flexible move order seems 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4  cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Be2 Be7 7. O-O O-O. Be7 and O-O are moves that will be played in 99% of the games while whether to play a6 or where to develop the b8-knight depends on your approach. Theoretical it doesn't really change much but it might keep your opponent guessing. Basicly it is just about first playing the moves you and your opponent know you are going to play.    

  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen
Reply #3 - 03/19/10 at 12:42:54
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snakebite wrote on 03/19/10 at 11:33:18:
For somebody wishing to study the Scheveningen but approach it via a Najdorf move order, is there any better source than Emms Book?


No.  Emms is the best source. 

Ftacnik is working on a Najdorf book for Quality Chess that will reportedly cover the Scheveningen lines.  But its not yet out.  His ChessBase DVD is good, but like most DVDs, more of an overview.

Pritchett focuses on lines without an early ..a6 and doesn't cover the Najdorf move order.
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen
Reply #2 - 03/19/10 at 12:34:55
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TN wrote on 03/19/10 at 12:23:46:
Are you playing the Scheviningen via. a Najdorf move order to avoid the Keres Attack? The 6.Bg5 lines seem to be more of a hassle than the Keres, in least in terms of the amount of theory one must know, since the Keres main lines seem to be holding up well for Black lately, but that's just my opinion.


Mine too.  I'm playing the Scheveningen quite a bit these days, but from the move order with 2...e6 and 5...d6.  Black may or may not choose to play an early a6.   Pritchett's book is a good introduction, but there are some mistakes in it.  So trust, but verify.
  

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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen
Reply #1 - 03/19/10 at 12:23:46
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Try Jansa's 'Dynamics of Chess Strategy', 'Starting Out: The Scheveningen' by Pritchett, 'The English Attack' by Sammalvuo, and 'Starting Out: The Najdorf' by Palliser. There are other books out there, such as 'Mastering the Sicilian', but these are the ones I can recall from memory.

By the way, there are two books by Emms covering the Scheveningen: 'The Najdorf Scheveningen Style' and 'Starting Out: The Sicilian'; I assume you are referring to the former.

Are you playing the Scheviningen via. a Najdorf move order to avoid the Keres Attack? The 6.Bg5 lines seem to be more of a hassle than the Keres, in least in terms of the amount of theory one must know, since the Keres main lines seem to be holding up well for Black lately, but that's just my opinion.

Also, have a good look at Kasparov's games when you study the Scheveningen.
  

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For somebody wishing to study the Scheveningen but approach it via a Najdorf move order, is there any better source than Emms Book?
  
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