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Re: Refutation of Velimirovic!!
Reply #4 - 04/07/10 at 03:07:57
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kylemeister wrote on 04/06/10 at 18:50:25:
I somehow doubt that that old move (it has been known since at least the 1980s, off the top of my head) refutes the Velimirovic.


There is nothing wrong with the top of your head. I have found 10...Qe8 in Pachmann's Moderne Schachtheorie III. Sizilianisch from 1986. Of course this move is not a refutation as White can deviate from the usual plan with 11.f4, already played by GM Nunn in 1979.

Kryavkin and Vidit have some more work to do before the title of this thread is justified.
  

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Re: Refutation of Velimirovic!!
Reply #3 - 04/06/10 at 20:12:20
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With regard to your first game, Golubev gives up to 18...Nxb3 and thinks it is "interesting though unclear."  ECO goes further, with White playing 19. ab (instead of 19. cb), and thinks the best-play lines result in "compensation for the material."  With regard to your second game, Golubev mentions up to 17. g6 (as being interesting) while ECO gives instead 17. Qe2 as leading to an unclear position.  Basically those sources, plus NCO and MCO, don't point to anything specifically wrong with the 10...Qe8 and 13...Bd7 approach.
  
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Re: Refutation of Velimirovic!!
Reply #2 - 04/06/10 at 18:55:52
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kylemeister wrote on 04/06/10 at 18:50:25:
I somehow doubt that that old move (it has been known since at least the 1980s, off the top of my head) refutes the Velimirovic.


   By looking at Kryavkin's games...It just looks like Black is not under the usual attack....Is there any specific line because of which it is not used...What does Golubev say in his book about Sozin(i dont know any other book) Any ideas?
  

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Re: Refutation of Velimirovic!!
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I somehow doubt that that old move (it has been known since at least the 1980s, off the top of my head) refutes the Velimirovic.
  
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Refutation of Velimirovic!!
04/06/10 at 18:39:24
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[Event "2nd Chennai Open"]
[Site "Chennai IND"]
[Date "2010.01.28"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Saptarshi, R."]
[Black "Kryakvin, Dmitry"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B89"]
[WhiteElo "2407"]
[BlackElo "2575"]
[PlyCount "66"]
[EventDate "2010.01.25"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "IND"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2010.02.08"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bc4 e6 7. Be3 Be7 8.
Qe2 O-O 9. O-O-O a6 10. Bb3 Qe8 11. Rhg1 Nd7 12. g4 Nc5 13. g5 Bd7 14. f4 b5
15. f5 b4 16. f6 bxc3 17. Qh5 cxb2+ 18. Kxb2 Nxb3 19. cxb3 Nxd4 20. Bxd4 e5 21.
Bc3 a5 22. Rd5 a4 23. b4 a3+ 24. Ka1 Rc8 25. Rg3 Be6 26. fxe7 Qxe7 27. Rdd3 Qb7
28. Qd1 Qxe4 29. Rxd6 Qc4 30. Qd2 f5 31. gxf6 Rxf6 32. Rd8+ Rxd8 33. Qxd8+ Rf8
0-1

[Event "Chigorin Memorial op"]
[Site "St Petersburg"]
[Date "2009.10.24"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Petrosian, Davit Gevorgi"]
[Black "Kryakvin, Dmitry"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B89"]
[WhiteElo "2504"]
[BlackElo "2571"]
[PlyCount "66"]
[EventDate "2009.10.16"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "RUS"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2009.11.03"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bc4 e6 7. Be3 Be7 8.
Qe2 O-O 9. O-O-O a6 10. Bb3 Qe8 11. Rhg1 Nd7 12. g4 Nc5 13. g5 Bd7 14. Qh5 Nxd4
15. Bxd4 Nxb3+ 16. axb3 f5 17. g6 h6 18. e5 d5 19. Ne2 f4 20. Qf3 Rf5 21. Kb1
a5 22. Rg4 a4 23. bxa4 Bxa4 24. Rdg1 Qc6 25. Nc3 Bb5 26. b3 Bc5 27. Nxb5 Qxb5
28. Bb2 Qa6 29. Rxf4 Qa2+ 30. Kc1 Rc8 31. Rxf5 Ba3 32. Qd3 Qxb2+ 33. Kd2 exf5
0-1

[Event "Champions Challenge 155th"]
[Site "playchess.com INT"]
[Date "2006.07.15"]
[Round "2.2"]
[White "Meister, Yakov"]
[Black "Kryakvin, Dmitry"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B89"]
[WhiteElo "2504"]
[BlackElo "2488"]
[PlyCount "72"]
[EventDate "2006.07.15"]
[EventType "k.o. (blitz)"]
[EventRounds "5"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2006.11.23"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nf3 d6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Nf6 6. Bc4 e6 7. Be3 Be7 8.
Qe2 O-O 9. O-O-O a6 10. Bb3 Qe8 11. Rhg1 Nd7 12. g4 Nc5 13. g5 Bd7 14. h4 b5
15. f3 b4 16. Nb1 a5 17. h5 a4 18. Bc4 Ne5 19. g6 Bf6 20. gxh7+ Kh8 21. Bg5 Qe7
22. Bxf6 Qxf6 23. Nd2 b3 24. cxb3 axb3 25. axb3 Ned3+ 26. Bxd3 Qxd4 27. Bc4
Ra1+ 28. Nb1 Qe5 29. Qe3 Rc8 30. f4 Nxb3+ 31. Qxb3 Qxf4+ 32. Rd2 d5 33. Kc2
Qxe4+ 34. Qd3 Rxc4+ 35. Nc3 Qxd3+ 36. Rxd3 Rxg1 0-1

10...Qe8 has been the star move! defending the whole  attack... I would love if Richard would cover one of these games in his update...i couldnt find any line where white gets dangerous attack Smiley Good for the Classical Sicilian fans Smiley Smiley
  

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