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Re: Velimirovic - trying to figure out some details
Reply #6 - 02/16/11 at 20:21:17
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@Old Grizzly: Unfortunately I have not been able to test this line in real OTB games. During blitz games most of my opponents go for the modern move-order with a quick 9. ... Na5 harassing the Bishop.

I have done some analysis mostly based on some 'older' books and have not particularly used any computers yet. The idea is to try the line first and only then do some serious analysis with a PC (that's what I do with all of my openings anyway). I have briefly examined the 4 plans I mention above (namely early-b5 / Nd7-c5 / Nd7+b5 / NxNd4), they present chances to both sides, but you see these lines are very tactical and you really need to try them first and then also get booked up. So sorry my friend, but no samples.. Grin

@Ametanoitos: I was thinking of buying this book as it is my general plan to employ O-O-O systems against the Sicilian. But I probably won't for now as I have decided to focus this year mostly on middlegame & endgame stuff. I have also not managed to work my way through Polugaevsky's Sicilian Labyrinth books, so buy another book? I feel guilty already!  Undecided
  

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Re: Velimirovic - trying to figure out some details
Reply #5 - 02/16/11 at 17:41:04
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In the recent Sicilian Attacks Yakovich offers some excellent analysis on the line you are asking about  Wink
  
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Re: Velimirovic - trying to figure out some details
Reply #4 - 02/16/11 at 15:07:09
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Have you been enlightened? Wink
Then give us some samples.
  
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Re: Velimirovic - trying to figure out some details
Reply #3 - 09/04/10 at 23:55:44
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Thanks a lot, it does help!  Smiley

So I see that the main tradeoff is 11. g4 NxNd4 vs. 11. Rhg1 b5. I think I'll stick to my original choice of 11. Rhg1 keeping handy the option of BxNd4-Bf6!

But I'll have to do some more research on 11. Rhg1 b5 which I thought was out of fashion.
4 plans (early-b5 / Nd7-c5 / Nd7+b5 / NxNd4) need an answer and think it's time to burn some midnight oil..  Huh
  

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Re: Velimirovic - trying to figure out some details
Reply #2 - 09/04/10 at 04:17:40
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In his 2001 book, Golubev notes that the choice betwen 11.g4 and 11.Rg1 is mainly a matter of taste.

If Black plays 11..Nd7 the same position is usually reached after either White move.  11.g4 Nd7 12.Rg1 is the same as 11.Rg1 Nd7 12.g4. 

Here's the difference:  11.g4 allows 11..Nxd4, which Golubev calls the most important move.   The point, as you note, is that White has to take back with the Rook. 

11.Rg1 preserves White's ability to re-take with the Bishop.  The main line is now 11..Nd7, but because White has played 11.Rg1 first, his g4-g5 is one move slower, and this gives Black the option of 11..b5 12.g4 b4. 

I'm not sure where theory stands at the moment, but hope this helps.  Wink
  
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Re: Velimirovic - trying to figure out some details
Reply #1 - 09/03/10 at 08:14:13
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Any thoughts anybody?
  

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Velimirovic - trying to figure out some details
08/30/10 at 14:42:08
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I am currently concerned with one of the main lines of the Velimirovic Attack:

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bc4 e6 7. Be3 a6 8. Qe2 Qc7 9. O-O-O Be7 10. Bb3 O-O 11. Rhg1 Nd7 12. g4 Nc5 13. Nf5

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There are 3 details I still don't understand in the move-order that leads to this position:

a) If I'm opting for 13. Nf5 instead of 13. g5 (the other common option), is there any real difference in chosing 11. Rhg1 over 11. g4?

b) An interesting option I've seen is 12. Qh5 NxNd4 13. BxNd4 b5 (Ivanovic-Larsen, 1983) 14. Rd3!? (suggestion by Polugaevsky). But is this the real meaning of chosing Rhg1 before g4?

c) The 'old' plan for Black was to exchange at d4: 11. Rhg1 NxNd4 12. BxNd4 Nd7 13. g4 Nc5 and White may even perform the thematic Bf6 sac. The 'new' approach is to play ...Nd7-c5 and ...b5 before any exchanges at d4. But, when applying the 11. g4 move-order, quite usual is this sequence: 11. g4 NxNd4 12. RxNd4 (12. BxNd4 Bxg4 gives Black a pawn - maybe a difference in preferring the 11. Rhg1 move-order) b5 etc.


But all these nuances don't seem that significant to me (most of the lines transpose to each other even well past the 13th move).

Any thoughts? Sorry for the slightly complicated post, but I'm a bit confused myself..  Shocked
  

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