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Reply #89 - 05/25/15 at 19:31:48
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Can anyone recommend an English language book on the VHS? I know of Bronznik's German volume only.
  
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Reply #88 - 02/05/14 at 20:10:17
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I recently finished a correspondence game in the Hennig-Schara gambit (I was white), it ended in a draw but I got a clear opening advantage all the way into the endgame. I played the 9.Qb3 variation and after 9...Bc5 I had planned the rare 10.Bf4 but my opponent went 9...Be6 and now I played the also rare 10.Qc2. My impression is that this really creates theoretical problems for black but I wonder whether Bronznik or Bücker have any coverage of this line.
Black can play a lot of things on move 10 but it wasn't very difficult to find an advantage against all of them, and the threat is that he ends up simply a pawn down with no compensation.

  
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Reply #87 - 09/15/13 at 23:33:29
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Assuming you mean after 5. Qa4+  Bd7 6. Qxd4 ed 7. Qxd5 Nc6 8. Nf3 Nf6 9. Qd1 Bc5 10. e3 Qe7 11. Be2, a historical tidbit is that Tim Harding thought it was Black's best in a book forty years ago ...
  
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Reply #86 - 09/15/13 at 22:59:13
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Has anyone come across the line with 11...00 instead of 11...000?  The black king is safer and black can get some play with his rooks on the open files.  I think white should go 00, a3, b4 and Bb2.
  
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Reply #85 - 12/21/11 at 02:02:02
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Last week I received IM Valeri Bronznik's Das Schara-Hennig Gambit (indeed, it's in German) and only today I had time for my first look. Everyone interested in this opening needs this book. Bronznik claims in Beat the Guerrillas that the VHS Gambit is in fact a sound opening. He might be right or not, but puts a lot of effort in his attempt to back it up.
I'm happy being able to read German once again.
  

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Reply #84 - 09/13/11 at 16:08:42
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Thanks Stefan ... I will updated this new topic soon I hope.
Concerning misunderstanding about foreign language I've the same problem with german  Wink
  
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Reply #83 - 09/13/11 at 15:28:06
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Thanks for the correction, Michel! Strange how things can go wrong when you google for Pierre Morra and try to guess what is meant in the incoming result in a foreign language. Sorry. 

Djy has already started a new thread on the Morra: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1315903095/0#0
  
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Reply #82 - 09/13/11 at 15:10:43
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Djy wrote on 09/12/11 at 13:15:13:
Great!Thanks Sfefan!


Morra gambit ... I'm at home   Cheesy Off topic , moving to another section if to be continued ?
Unfortunately, Stefan is wrong, or rather  the Illustrated London News 1956 Sad

In fact, it's a game Tilliette, (FRA) - Giacomelli, (ITA), corr. 1955-56, annotated by Pierra Morra :
1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 d6 6. Bc4 e6 7. O-O Be7 8. Qe2 a6 9. Rd1 Qc7 10. Bf4 Ne5 11. Bxe5 dxe5 12. Bb5+ axb5 13. Nxb5 Qa5 14. Rac1 f6 15. Rc7 Qa4 16. Qd3 b6 17. b3 1-0

Pierre Morra has played his gambit of course, for example :

Morra, P- Goupy
Echiquier Niçois, 1956
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. c3 dxc3 5. Nxc3 e6 (5... d6 6. Bc4 a6 7. Qe2 Nf6 8. O-O Bg4 9. Rd1 Qc8 10. Bf4 g6 11. Rac1 Bg7 12. Nd5 Morra-Musso, Nice 1956) 6. Bc4 d6 7. O-O a6 8. Qe2 Nf6 9. Rd1 Qc7 10. Bf4 b5 (10... Be7 11. Rac1 O-O 12. Bb3 Qb8 13. h3 e5 14. Bh2 Nd8 15. Nd5 Nxd5 16. Bxd5
Morra-Petite, Nice 1956) 11. Bxb5 axb5 12. Nxb5 Qa5 13. Bxd6 Bxd6 14. Nxd6+ Ke7 15. Rac1 Nb4 16. Nd4 Rd8 17. N4b5 Ba6 18. Rc7+ Kf8 19. Rxf7+ Kg8 20. Qc4 Bxb5 21. Qxe6 Rxd6 22. Rxd6 Qxa2 23. Rxg7+ Kxg7 24. Qe7+ Kg8 25. h3 Nc6 26.
Qxf6 1-0

About the name ... next time !  Wink

  
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Re: von henning schara gambit
Reply #81 - 09/13/11 at 10:28:49
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Phil Adams wrote on 09/11/11 at 00:25:52:
Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/05/11 at 10:52:20:
1970 a Chess Digest pamphlet titled "The Von Hennig-Schara Gambit and Other Alternatives in the Tarrasch Defence Q.G.D." apparently is the venerable source which permits to calling it VHS today in Anglo-Saxon countries. But "Schara-von Hennig Gambit" is just as common, and some English speakers "in the know" even use the German name. So we should better wait a few centuries to see which name will gain the upper hand.


Hmm, for once you might just be wrong there Stefan. There is at least one earlier reference in English to the use of "von Hennig-Schara Gambit". Leonard Barden ran a series of articles on it in the Guardian in the mid-1960s, followed up by publishing "The Guardian Chess Book" in 1967. Although  in the book the chapter heading is "the Tarrasch Gambit", on page 136 he wrote:
"This has the off-putting name of 'von Hennig -Schara Gambit', after two Germans who practised it in the the 1920s."

This surely implies that the name 'von Hennig -Schara Gambit' was in standard use in English prior to 1967, perhaps in MCO, the then standard reference work in English. Certainly that is the name by which I and my friends have have always known it.

Thanks, Phil. Indeed, MCO-5 (1933), first MCO after the 1929 SHG breakthrough, said on p. 137: "The von Hennig-Schara (or Duisburg) Gambit." On p. 121 the editors Sergeant, Griffith and Goldstein wrote: "An interesting off-shoot of the Tarrasch Defence is the gambit known by the names von Hennig-Schara [...]." So we have an inaccurate name with a long tradition.

@Markovich: Yes, Kann played the CK before Caro. English chess journalists were lucky that his name wasn't Marcus von Kann, no doubt they would have made a mess of another simple opening name.
  
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Reply #80 - 09/12/11 at 18:26:44
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/12/11 at 10:14:13:
Djy wrote on 09/12/11 at 09:39:20:
Not Paul Morra but Pierre Morra http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambit_Morra
Unfortunaly he don't let us a single game with the gambit but i've read somewhere (probably in a chess french mag.) that he use the gambit via the 2.Nf3 move order

From the Illustrated London News 1956: "The following wonderful game was kindly sent to me by Pierre Morra".

Pierre Morra - Tuliette Giacomelli (ITA), corr. (date?). 1. e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 d6 6.Bc4 e6 7.Qe2 a6 8.0-0 Be7 9.Rd1 Qc7 10.Bf4 Ne5 11.Bxe5 dxe5 12.Bb5+ axb5 13.Nxb5 Qa5 (Rybka: 13...Qb8 14.Rac1 Kf8 15.Nc7 Rxa2 16.Qc4 Ra5 17.Na6!) and White won in five moves (which unfortunately I don't have), maybe 14.Nxe5 Kf8 15.Rac1 +/-.

Chess Review 1955: "For, although the underlying theme has cropped up sporadically since Fleissig-Bauer, Vienna, 1889, consistent analysis and advocacy was carried out by the Nicean player, Pierre Morra in recent years."


Ah, he was from Nice.  Interesting.
  

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Reply #79 - 09/12/11 at 13:15:13
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Great!Thanks Sfefan!
  

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Djy wrote on 09/12/11 at 09:39:20:
Not Paul Morra but Pierre Morra http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambit_Morra
Unfortunaly he don't let us a single game with the gambit but i've read somewhere (probably in a chess french mag.) that he use the gambit via the 2.Nf3 move order

From the Illustrated London News 1956: "The following wonderful game was kindly sent to me by Pierre Morra".

Pierre Morra - Tuliette Giacomelli (ITA), corr. (date?). 1. e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 d6 6.Bc4 e6 7.Qe2 a6 8.0-0 Be7 9.Rd1 Qc7 10.Bf4 Ne5 11.Bxe5 dxe5 12.Bb5+ axb5 13.Nxb5 Qa5 (Rybka: 13...Qb8 14.Rac1 Kf8 15.Nc7 Rxa2 16.Qc4 Ra5 17.Na6!) and White won in five moves (which unfortunately I don't have), maybe 14.Nxe5 Kf8 15.Rac1 +/-.

Chess Review 1955: "For, although the underlying theme has cropped up sporadically since Fleissig-Bauer, Vienna, 1889, consistent analysis and advocacy was carried out by the Nicean player, Pierre Morra in recent years."
  
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Reply #77 - 09/12/11 at 09:39:20
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Not Paul Morra but Pierre Morra http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambit_Morra
Unfortunaly he don't let us a single game with the gambit but i've read somewhere (probably in a chess french mag.) that he use the gambit via the 2.Nf3 move order
  

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Reply #76 - 09/11/11 at 23:19:12
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MNb wrote on 09/11/11 at 21:54:39:
According to this system the correct name would be Morra-Tartakower-Matulovic-Smith Gambit as all of them have been attached to the opening. This does unjustice to Kieseritzky, who invented it, and Lodewijk Prins, who played it in the 30's.
An obscure guy, that Paul Morra. French Wikipedia doesn't even have a page on him.


We're heading way off topic here but...
In their 1967 book on the Sicilian, Gligoric and Sokolov (unsurprisingly) call the Morra the Matulovic Gambit, but mention that it is also known as the Rivadavia gambit, named (for some reason) after the longest street in Buenos Aires!
  
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Reply #75 - 09/11/11 at 21:54:39
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According to this system the correct name would be Morra-Tartakower-Matulovic-Smith Gambit as all of them have been attached to the opening. This does unjustice to Kieseritzky, who invented it, and Lodewijk Prins, who played it in the 30's.
An obscure guy, that Paul Morra. French Wikipedia doesn't even have a page on him.
  

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