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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #54 - 07/06/19 at 03:04:48
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Vehi Bach,V (2311)-Vera Siguenas,D (2492) Montcada i Reixac ESP 2016...........21.e5 looks better!
  
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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #53 - 02/04/15 at 13:12:37
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Bump! Smiley
What's happening in the Burnett (or the Stocek as PH Nielsen calls it)?
  
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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #52 - 03/11/12 at 11:36:13
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I found this game today, it was play two days ago in swedish elite. It was one of the games that was live broadcasted.

  
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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #51 - 02/24/12 at 18:32:40
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I found myself on the white side of this line the other night in a local league match. Lots of mistakes from both players unfortunately, but as I have never seen a game with 15...Rxc3(?) before I thought I would share it here.
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[pgn]1.  e4 c5 2.  Nf3 d6 3.  d4 cxd4 4.  Nxd4 Nf6 5.  Nc3 g6 6.  Be3 Bg7 7.  f3 Nc6 8.  Qd2 O-O 9.  Bc4 Bd7 10.  Bb3 Rc8 11.  O-O-O Ne5 12.  Kb1 Nc4 13.  Bxc4 Rxc4 14.  g4 b5 15.  b3 Rxc3 16.  Qxc3 Qa8 17.  g5 Rc8 18.  Qd3 Ne8 19.  Nxb5 a6 20.  Nd4 Nc7 21.  c4 a5 22.  Nb5 Nxb5 23.  cxb5 Rc3 24.  Qd5 Qxd5 25.  Rxd5 Rxe3 26.  b6 Bc6 27.  Rc1 Rc3 28.  Rxa5 f5 29.  gxf6 Bxf6 30.  Rxc3 Bxc3 31.  Ra7 Bd4 32.  Rc7[/pgn]
  
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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #50 - 02/19/12 at 15:35:35
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Well, amazing what a google search throws up! A variation named after myself Smiley

I remember Eddie Dearing naming the 9.0-0-0 ...14.Qg5 b5!? line after me, but as I point out in my book it should be named after my brother Walter as he lost with it against IM Steve Mannion a few months before I did the same!

There's a lot of interesting analysis here, so I'll have to take a close look at it before commenting - I would say that the  15...b4!? idea came to me at home when I was looking for a good practcial way of avoiding the main lines at the time.

I was analysing without an engine, and was intrigued by the line 16.bxc4 bxc3 17.Qxc3 Qc7 18.h4 d5?!/!? The machine finds the solution to this very quickly, but there are lots of ways for white to go seriously wrong if he hasn't checked it out himself (most engines don't entertain ...d5 here, so white has to find it himself and then do the work on it).

Anyway, I had no idea at the time that Golubev had recommended 15...b4, so I don't mind my name being attached to it:)
  
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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #49 - 01/11/12 at 17:20:34
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You are right! In case of 15.Ndb5 Qb8 (15...Qa5!?) 16.Nd4 (16.Bxa7 Qb7) Rfc8.
  
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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #48 - 01/11/12 at 13:13:19
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XChess1971 wrote on 01/11/12 at 12:00:41:
For a Dragoneer the common sense says that he should play 15...Qb8 after 15.Nxcb5. Playing 15...Bxb5 trading pieces without gaining anything makes no sense. After say: 15.Ncxb5 Qb8 16.Nd4 (16.Bxa7 Qb7 and the white pieces are compromised) Rfc8 black is very active and ready for attack.


Captain Future suggested 16.Na3 Ra4 17.Ka1 not 16.Nd4 nor illegal 16.Ba7. Since I did not see a simple continuation where I was sure that Black is ok, I suggested the 'no sense' variation Bxb5, Qb8, Rfc8 where I am sure that Black is fine.

If you have a good idea how Black should continue after 16. Na3 I would be interested to hear about it.
  
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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #47 - 01/11/12 at 12:00:41
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For a Dragoneer the common sense says that he should play 15...Qb8 after 15.Nxcb5. Playing 15...Bxb5 trading pieces without gaining anything makes no sense. After say: 15.Ncxb5 Qb8 16.Nd4 (16.Bxa7 Qb7 and the white pieces are compromised) Rfc8 black is very active and ready for attack.
  
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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #46 - 01/10/12 at 09:58:57
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Before Topalov, (who ironically played Dragon as black at that time) discovered b3 Kb1 was thought as bad since capturing the bpawn as given as very dangeorus. The point of b3 is to capture at a more favorable moment. And to counter hes own invention Topalov invented the Rc8 Nxd4 b5 system.

In the given position I agree that tp2205:s line is best but I belive that black still has some compensaion even in Qb8 line. Unless I missrember I have also faced Ndxb5 (a major difference) in a Interent game a few years ago. There I played Qb8 and after Nd4 Rfc8 I got a crusing attack and won easy.
  
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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #45 - 01/09/12 at 13:29:23
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CaptainFuture wrote on 01/09/12 at 09:01:02:
Now a concrete question. Is 15.b3 really the best line for white? What about just taking the pawn with 15.Ncxb5 Qb8 16.Na3 Ra4 17.Ka1. The white position seems very safe to me.

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looks reasonable for Black, so I prefer 15.b3. (I am also not so sure about 15 ... e5 16.Nd6 Rd4 17.Bd4 ed4 but 18.e5 is probably ok for white)
  
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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #44 - 01/09/12 at 09:01:02
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In another threat http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1307556535/0 a discussion about a new book from David Vigorito starts.
Some pages are online available that exactly comment on this variation:
http://www.everymanchess.com/extract/CD%20Sicil%20Dragon%20excerpts.pdf
See pages 59ff which comment on B.Bok-I.Cheparinov.
Congratulations to Roland Lötscher (Swiss_Dragon)Wink
Your analysis has made it into the book, page 63!

Now a concrete question. Is 15.b3 really the best line for white? What about just taking the pawn with 15.Ncxb5 Qb8 16.Na3 Ra4 17.Ka1. The white position seems very safe to me.

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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #43 - 01/06/12 at 22:26:10
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Chesspub subscription section only mentions 19 .. h5 as was played in the game.

Ba4 is perhaps also plyable if you help computer a bit. Houdini thinks that Qb4 is best move when Be8 is forced. Afterwards Houdini wants to play h5 but Nd7 seems like a perfectly playable posiiton for black.  Black has actualy gained several things that white Queens is a b4, there are some new possibilities for black thats is impossible if whte queen had been at c3.
  
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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #42 - 01/06/12 at 12:06:23
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I have got a question on Bok-cheparinov game.Is 19...h5 an only move in this position.Does 19...Ba4 idea work in this case?
  
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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #41 - 09/26/11 at 21:29:13
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Off-topic question has been moved by MNb to

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1317052030
  

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Re: B78: Burnett variation
Reply #40 - 08/24/11 at 06:01:11
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Schroeder wrote on 07/21/11 at 17:25:04:
Oops, I meant 19.Kc1.

Moderator's note: it's corrected.


@Moderator: You made the right correction at the wrong place. In the game Langer-Schroeder 19.Ka1 was played (you corrected this to 19.Kc1) whereas the move "19.Ka1" in the comment "In a third game (still ongoing) White played the probably more testing move 19.Ka1." should be "19.Kc1".

Moderator's note: (double) corrected again. Thanks.
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