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Re: Names or Games w/ 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ne5
Reply #4 - 02/01/11 at 18:09:31
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It's surprising that no-one tried 4...a6 (by analogy with 4.a3!, which is the only serious threat to the soundness of the Fajarowicz).  Looking closely Black's problem is that White's f2-f4 protects the e5-knight so Black cannot chase it away with ...Qc7, and so 5.d3 is quite strong for White here.

Perhaps 4...Nd7 is best after all, e.g. 5.Nc3 Ngf6 6.Bc4 e6.
  
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Re: Names or Games w/ 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ne5
Reply #3 - 02/01/11 at 15:31:05
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MNb wrote on 02/01/11 at 02:41:49:
I am not sure what you exactly mean with quality games...


These are excellent.  I meant no offense to FICGS players -- only that thematic tournaments do not always produce the best results.   Smiley

And yes, I have found Shulz-Kievelitz, Berlin 1999, which is among the most interesting I have come across -- here is the PGN with some quick notes:

[Event "Berlin Eckbauer Open"]
[Site "Berlin, Germany"]
[Date "1999.10.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Schulz, Michael"]
[Black "Kievelitz, Bernd"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2222"]
[BlackElo "2168"]
[PlyCount "49"]
[EventDate "1999.??.??"]

1. e4 c5 2. f4 d5 3. Nf3 dxe4 4. Ne5 Nf6 5. Nc3 (5. d3 Nbd7 (5... exd3 6. Bxd3 Nc6 (6... g6 $4 7. Nxf7 $18) 7. Nc3 $44) 6. dxe4 Nxe5 (6... Nxe4 7. Nxf7) 7. Qxd8+ Kxd8 8. fxe5 Nxe4 9. Bd3 f5 10. Bxe4 fxe4 11. Nc3 b6 12. O-O Bb7 13. Bf4 g6 14. Rad1+ Kc8 15. e6) 5... a6 6. Bc4 (6. d3 exd3 7. Bxd3 Nbd7) 6... e6 7. a4 b6 8. Qe2 Bb7 9. d3 exd3 10. cxd3 Qd6 $6 (10... Qc7 11. f5 (11. O-O Bd6) 11... Bd6) 11. O-O Be7 12. f5 O-O 13. Bf4 Qd4+ 14. Kh1 Nd5 15. Nxf7 Nxf4 (15... Qf6 16. Bd2 Qxf7 17. fxe6 Qe8 18. Rxf8+ Qxf8 19. Nxd5) 16. Rxf4 Qf6 $2 (16... Qxf4 $8 17. Qxe6 Bxg2+ $8 18. Kxg2 (18. Kg1 Qd4+ 19. Kxg2 Qg4+) 18... Qg4+ 19. Kf1 Qf3+ 20. Kg1 (20. Ke1 Bh4+) 20... Qg4+ $11) 17. Ne5 (17. Raf1 $1 Qxf7 (17... Rxf7 18. fxe6) 18. Bxe6 $18) 17... Bd6 $2 (17... Kh8 $13) 18. fxe6 Qe7 19. Rxf8+ Kxf8 20. Rf1+ Ke8 21. Qh5+ Kd8 22. Rf7 (22. Nf7+ $5 Kc8 23. Nd5 $40) 22... Qe8 23. Rxb7 $1 Qxh5 24. Nf7+ Ke8 25. Nxd6+ {and mate next move.} 1-0

Thomas Johansson mentions that GM Henrik Danielsen (famous around the internet for his work on the Polar Bear) has experimented with the line on ICC since at least 1998.  Here is one game I found:

[Event "ICC 5 0"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2002.02.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "H-Danielsen"]
[Black "petur3"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ICCResult "Black resigns"]
[WhiteElo "2786"]
[BlackElo "2437"]
[Opening "Sicilian: Grand Prix attack"]
[ECO "B21"]
[NIC "VO.07"]
[Time "08:23:08"]
[TimeControl "300+0"]

1. f4 c5 2. e4 d5 3. Nf3 dxe4 4. Ne5 Nf6 5. Nc3 e6 6. Bb5+ Bd7 7. Qe2 Be7 8. b3 O-O 9. Bxd7 Nbxd7 10. Bb2 Nxe5 11. fxe5 Nd5 12. Nxe4 Qc7 13. O-O Nb4 14. d3 Nc6 15. Nf6+ Bxf6 16. exf6 g6 17. Qe3 {Black resigns} 1-0

I wrote Danielsen a note seeking more games ("nothing ventured, nothing gained"), to which he responded quite cordially but said he did not have time to dig any up.

How about calling it the Danielsen Gambit?
  
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Re: Names or Games w/ 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ne5
Reply #2 - 02/01/11 at 05:04:41
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urusov wrote on 01/31/11 at 12:42:07:
Anyone have any games with 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ne5!? -- or can you suggest any names for this line? 

Using internet and database searches, I have managed to turn up nearly 20 rather poor-quality games (mostly from FICGS thematic tourneys).  But I was surprised by how few players have tried this natural idea on the model of the Fajarowicz (A51).  I would welcome any additional games -- including blitz -- from readers.

Noting the similarity to the Fajarowicz, a friend suggests calling this the "Sicili-wicz," though maybe better is the "Sicili-Faj" (though both sound a little si-silly -- even if better than "Toilet Variation").  I see many people calling 4.Ng5 the "Bryntse variation," after the correspondence player who played several early games with it -- though perhaps 3.Nf3 is already the Bryntse and this is just a sub-variation?  (Sort of like how some people insist on calling the Faj  the "Budapest Fajarowicz"). 

Suggestions, games, online or book resources, etc. welcome.



I normally consider FICGS games to be high quality myself...
  
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Re: Names or Games w/ 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ne5
Reply #1 - 02/01/11 at 02:41:49
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I am not sure what you exactly mean with quality games, but here we go.

Wlokka,C (2035) - Steffan,J (2305) [B21]
corr WT/M/GT/252 ICCF, 01.03.1989

1.f4 c5 2.e4 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ne5 Nd7 5.Bb5 a6 6.Bxd7+ Bxd7 7.Nc3 Nf6 8.d3 exd3 9.cxd3 e6 10.Qf3 Qc7 11.Be3 Rc8 12.0-0 Bd6 13.Qg3 0-0 14.Ne4 Nxe4 15.dxe4 f5 16.Nxd7 Qxd7 17.e5 Be7 18.Rac1 c4 19.h4 Rfd8 20.Qf3 Qb5 21.Rf2 Rd3 22.h5 Bc5 23.Re2 Rxe3 24.Rxe3 Qxb2 0-1



Weiss,W (2172) - Walter,T (2023) [B21]
Gemuend Gemuend (4.3), 26.10.1999

1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ne5 Nd7 5.Nc3 Nxe5 6.fxe5 a6 7.Qe2 Qd4 8.Qxe4 e6 9.d3 f5 10.Qxd4 cxd4 11.Ne2 Bc5 12.c3 Ne7 13.Nxd4 Bxd4 14.cxd4 Bd7 15.Bd2 Nd5 16.Rc1 0-0 17.Be2 Rac8 18.Kf2 h6 19.h4 Bb5 20.b3 Kf7 21.a4 Bd7 22.Rc5 Bc6 23.Rhc1 Ke7 24.b4 Nb6 25.b5 axb5 26.Bb4 Kd7 27.axb5 Bd5 28.Rc7+ Rxc7 29.Rxc7+ Kxc7 30.Bxf8 g5 31.h5 Kd7 32.Bxh6 g4 33.g3 Bb3 34.Bf1 Ke7 35.Bg2 Nd5 36.b6 Kf7 37.Bg5 Kg7 38.Bxd5 Bxd5 39.Ke3 Bf3 40.Kd2 Bd5 41.Kc3 Kh7 42.Kb4 Kg7 ½-½

Bennett,H - Barnard,B [A03]
ch-64 New Zeeland ch-64, 1997

1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ne5 Nd7 5.Nc4 b5 6.Ne3 a6 7.a4 b4 8.d3 Bb7 9.dxe4 Bxe4 10.Nd2 Bc6 11.Bd3 Ngf6 12.0-0 e6 13.Qe2 Bb7 14.Nec4 Be7 15.Nf3 0-0 16.Nfe5 Qc7 17.Bd2 Rad8 18.a5 Nd5 19.Rae1 Bf6 20.Rf3 g6 21.Rh3 Bg7 22.Qg4 N7f6 23.Qh4 Ne7 24.g4 h5 25.f5 Nxg4 26.Nxg4 Rd4 27.Nce3 Qc6 28.Kf1 Nxf5 29.Qf2 hxg4 30.c3 Rxd3 31.Nxf5 Qg2+ 0-1

Bennett,H - Cooper,D [A03]
ch-64 New Zeeland ch-64, 1997

1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ne5 Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.Bc4 g6 8.d3 Nf6 9.dxe4 Nxe4 10.Qf3 Qa5+ 11.Bd2 Nxd2 12.Nxd2 Bg7 13.c3 0-0 14.0-0 Rab8 15.Bb3 Qc7 16.Rae1 e5 17.Qe3 exf4 18.Qxc5 Rb5 19.Qe7 Re5 20.Rxe5 Bxe5 21.Ne4 Kg7 22.Re1 Bf5 23.Qh4 h6 24.Nd2 a5 25.Qf2 Re8 0-1

According to the current ratinglist of ICCF Barnard has a rating of 2400+ and Cooper of 2160. The games are probably corr. games. I am not sure about the rating of Bennett, as there are two H. Bennetts from New Zealand. One has a rating of 1950, the other of 2350.
I suppose you already have Schulz-Kievelitz, Berlin 1999.
  

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Names or Games w/ 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ne5
01/31/11 at 12:42:07
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Anyone have any games with 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ne5!? -- or can you suggest any names for this line? 

Using internet and database searches, I have managed to turn up nearly 20 rather poor-quality games (mostly from FICGS thematic tourneys).  But I was surprised by how few players have tried this natural idea on the model of the Fajarowicz (A51).  I would welcome any additional games -- including blitz -- from readers.

Noting the similarity to the Fajarowicz, a friend suggests calling this the "Sicili-wicz," though maybe better is the "Sicili-Faj" (though both sound a little si-silly -- even if better than "Toilet Variation").  I see many people calling 4.Ng5 the "Bryntse variation," after the correspondence player who played several early games with it -- though perhaps 3.Nf3 is already the Bryntse and this is just a sub-variation?  (Sort of like how some people insist on calling the Faj  the "Budapest Fajarowicz"). 

Suggestions, games, online or book resources, etc. welcome.
  
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