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Reply #91 - 04/17/11 at 13:40:43
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Reply #90 - 04/17/11 at 13:09:14
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Hello
i think it is funny to discuss about jesus lawyers and other crazy stuff,but it doesn´t help the Sniper to survive! So what should Black do against the variation i mentioned? In the Sniper book there is no help available.. Maybe the true Sniper move order has to be buried.
  
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Reply #89 - 04/17/11 at 11:43:41
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Storey doesn't lose, he always gets what he really wants: attention.
  

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Reply #88 - 04/17/11 at 05:13:23
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So he is his own lawyer?  Makes not knowing the difference between liable and libel even funnier!

Continuing.  So let's get this straight:  chess pub has no value but he wants 2 years as the wager?  What does Storey lose if he --for lack of a better term- loses?
  
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Reply #87 - 04/17/11 at 01:59:08
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Why do you all have to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Will you grow up.
  

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Reply #86 - 04/16/11 at 23:18:32
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TheSniperAuthor wrote on 04/16/11 at 13:55:46:
I also beat Rowson with the Sniper!

Let me be clear Rowson I respect deeply - although he has had most of his opportunities on a plate - but has done extremely well when given them.


You don't respect a person's accomplishments if you actively belittle them by making them appear easier than they would be otherwise.

Protip: telling a powerlifter their lifts were accomplished by virtue of genetics/circumstance as a way to make up for your own mediocre lifts is ridiculous. Same applies to chessplayers.
  

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Reply #85 - 04/16/11 at 22:30:31
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Ummmm, The Sniper?
you missed a word i think btw 'what do you call' i think its supposed to be.
  
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Reply #84 - 04/16/11 at 17:01:18
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Arctic what do you call an Accelerated Dragon that loses a tempo?   Smiley
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Reply #83 - 04/16/11 at 16:48:49
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Just to add my two cents in:

If there is another game starting from scratch PLEASE (pretty please!? - yea i used interesting move) start it off with 1.e4 g6 2.Nf3 Bg7 3.d4 c5 4.Nc3 Qa5 5.Be2!? cause i want to see what the Sniper Author does, since he hasn't seen or replied to my post since he is commenting again on chesspub and i'd really like to see what he does!

Cheers!
  
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Reply #82 - 04/16/11 at 16:48:21
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arthur gordon pym wrote on 04/16/11 at 16:38:32:
Hello to my mind the discussions in this thread should revolve around chess variations so what about e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 c5 dc5 Qa5 c3 Qc5 Na3 b6 Nb5 Nf6 b4 I think this is really strong and a serious threat for the sniper


There are several serious threats to the Sniper. I bought the book and was prepared to try it with an open mind. The author's posts here make that impossible as he is not open to any reasonable debate about his opening.
  
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Reply #81 - 04/16/11 at 16:47:02
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Mr Pymm

That is the best comment I have seen on this thread.

A Pirc Player may say your N-f3 is wrong - as may a Caro Player a Sniper Player may well take you on.

Make a donation to charity this week. Wink
  

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Reply #80 - 04/16/11 at 16:38:32
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Hello to my mind the discussions in this thread should revolve around chess variations so what about e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 c5 dc5 Qa5 c3 Qc5 Na3 b6 Nb5 Nf6 b4 I think this is really strong and a serious threat for the sniper
  
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Reply #79 - 04/16/11 at 16:38:16
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My Lawyer will look over the agreement (me) when Harvey reaches my ethical requirement level connected to my earlier postings.

This is my first and foremost requirement and no amount of money nor booksales will change that.

A Full and Frank personal apology to me and the viewers for acting in a manner that is not in the spirit of chess.

When this shift in Harveys thinking has been implemented my Lawyer (me) will organise the agreed conditions which will en-thrall the Chess Public and affirm The Sniper as;

the best way, that Black can play, on a given day, concluding in May, and by the way, its here to stay, so let us pray, Yay or Nay, The Sniper Way.

Harvey - I will be listening...............
  

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Reply #78 - 04/16/11 at 16:12:50
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/16/11 at 16:08:46:
Harvey Williamson wrote on 04/16/11 at 14:40:00:
It would be nice if Charlie agreed to play my Be3 line afterwards.

If both players can come to an agreement to play, say, a 2/3 game match, then I might agree to sponsoring it. Smiley


Sounds interesting Smiley
  
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Reply #77 - 04/16/11 at 16:08:46
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Harvey Williamson wrote on 04/16/11 at 14:40:00:
It would be nice if Charlie agreed to play my Be3 line afterwards.

If both players can come to an agreement to play, say, a 2/3 game match, then I might agree to sponsoring it. Smiley
  
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Reply #76 - 04/16/11 at 15:01:16
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TheSniperAuthor wrote on 04/16/11 at 13:55:46:
"although he has had most of his opportunities on a plate - but has done extremely well when given them".


??? -  Huh; what does it mean? Is it an idiom or a regional?
  

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Reply #75 - 04/16/11 at 14:40:00
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Harvey Williamson wrote on 04/16/11 at 13:41:39:
GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/16/11 at 13:37:21:
I'm afraid I have to side with Gawain here, the final position may be 'drawable', but I would definitely favour White to win.
If Charlie wants to finish the game, and Harvey agrees, then I will happily change the game on ChessPublishing.com.


I agree the final position may be a draw. I said that in my notes but Charlie for the 2nd time refused to play on in the game. So it is a loss by default if nothing else.

If the game had been played under ICCF rules his refusal to continue would have been given as 1-0.


I would agree to finish it if:

1. It must be played on this forum
2. If Charlie says he is leaving again it is over.
3. Maximum 48 hours per move(reasonable leave can be given - say up to 10 days.)
4. Charlie agrees to play on within the next 48 hours.
5. It would be nice if Charlie agreed to play my Be3 line afterwards.
6. No religeous comments to be posted with moves.
  
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Reply #74 - 04/16/11 at 13:58:45
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I better go again - Cos I'm getting wound up again.

Let me know if the match is on.

Best Wishes.

Charlie.  Smiley
  

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Reply #73 - 04/16/11 at 13:58:03
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TheSniperAuthor wrote on 04/16/11 at 13:51:13:
Somebody remove Bibs stupid comment

Of course I have been over 2300 I am an F.M.

I have also defeated Micahel Adams twice and 2/4 vs Johnathon Rowson.

They don't come much better than that.


They do:
Michael Adams and Jonathan Rowson.

Edit: '...published over 2300'. My apologies.

We agree - yeah, he is a good guy. Though owes me a pint I think.
  
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Reply #72 - 04/16/11 at 13:55:46
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I also beat Rowson with the Sniper!

Let me be clear Rowson I respect deeply - although he has had most of his opportunities on a plate - but has done extremely well when given them.
  

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Somebody remove Bibs stupid comment

Of course I have been over 2300 I am an F.M.

I have also defeated Micahel Adams twice and 2/4 vs Johnathon Rowson.

They don't come much better than that.
  

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Reply #70 - 04/16/11 at 13:47:01
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If Mr Storey disputes Gawain Jones' version, perhaps variations and commentary would help his cause. This is a chess theory website.
Be Concrete.
It is likely that readers and prospective customers  will trust the analysis of a decent GM over a player who has never been over 2300.
'I am right but everyone else is wrong.' Then prove them wrong.
The playground insults don't help the cause either, just leave a negative impression.

  
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Reply #69 - 04/16/11 at 13:46:50
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I am sorry but I belive Chess to be played between 2 gentleman - I operate and interact on high principles and i believe Harvey has acted outside of those principles and I have no intention of continuing the game with him until I get a heart felt apology - personal and public.

Even so I will still probably decline.

I would however welcome the chance to take on the entire Chess Publishing Team + Rybka   vs Charlie + Rybka on the Qa3 position.  If I reveal my 'state of the art theory' and it works and as by way of apology for all I have to endure - I would like a 2year free access all areas pass to Chess Pub site - such that I can work on my White Rep.

I believe this is the best solution for all concerned and I will keep my biblical comments to a minimum!

Harvey can be team spokesman / configurer of PGN.

I can't say fairer than that and you would love it if I lost - Love it!
  

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Reply #68 - 04/16/11 at 13:41:39
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/16/11 at 13:37:21:
I'm afraid I have to side with Gawain here, the final position may be 'drawable', but I would definitely favour White to win.
If Charlie wants to finish the game, and Harvey agrees, then I will happily change the game on ChessPublishing.com.


I agree the final position may be a draw. I said that in my notes but Charlie for the 2nd time refused to play on in the game. So it is a loss by default if nothing else.

If the game had been played under ICCF rules his refusal to continue would have been given as 1-0.
  
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Reply #67 - 04/16/11 at 13:37:21
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I'm afraid I have to side with Gawain here, the final position may be 'drawable', but I would definitely favour White to win.
If Charlie wants to finish the game, and Harvey agrees, then I will happily change the game on ChessPublishing.com.
  
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Reply #66 - 04/16/11 at 13:30:49
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You cheated twice in the game;

1. You handed in a result that we had not agreed upon.

2. You did the same thing again - despite me telling you it was to continue at my Sniper site.

You have now officially lost and any sane person would agree that you cheated on 2 occasions.

Therefore  0-1 To The Sniper.

You have no defence left but an apology to me and the viewers. Then and only then will I consider continuation.

(Not that you deserve that)
  

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Reply #65 - 04/16/11 at 13:05:46
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TheSniperAuthor wrote on 04/16/11 at 12:54:48:
Harvey

You have lost -

Illegal claim of victory 1. Warning
Illegal Claim of Victory 2. Result awarded to TheSniper Author

Thanks for the game - it was a pleasure defeating you.

The Sniper defeats a Candidate World Correspondence Champion - in his first correspondence game

That's the real Result.

That's the Power of the lord        0-1 to The Sniper


Have it your way. I doubt any sane person will see it that way but feel free to use it as you wish. However I think I will now submit the game to TWIC and all the reviewers of your book. They can then make their own minds up.
  
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Reply #64 - 04/16/11 at 12:54:48
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Harvey

You have lost -

Illegal claim of victory 1. Warning
Illegal Claim of Victory 2. Result awarded to TheSniper Author

Thanks for the game - it was a pleasure defeating you.

The Sniper defeats a Candidate World Correspondence Champion - in his first correspondence game

That's the real Result.

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Reply #63 - 04/16/11 at 12:50:41
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Stigma;

Refresh your values and leave the stupid comments to stupid people.
  

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There was no time control agreed  - It was correspondence game of which you are a candidate World Champion?

My advice is you cancel your training for a while - pop in to your nearest Church and ask for some moral guidance - If I got up half way through a British Champ game whilst my opponent nipped to the loo to check his position on his Rybka via I Phone and handed the result in as 1-0 to me the admin team would not accept as both players had not signed the result- What you did requires a serious apology to me and the chess pub viewers.


It had nothing to do with time controls you twice said you were leaving. I allowed you to resume once as it seemed the 'Christian' thing to do. However you again constructed a reason to leave the game and I was not prepared to give you or your dubious opening system any more time.

If you want a rematch, here, we can possibly arrange that but if a player says he is leaving the thread this = resigns at once.
  
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Reply #61 - 04/16/11 at 12:36:13
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SniperAuthor, please don't write any more posts. You're only making yourself look bad. If you don't play any more moves in a game, that game is lost (unless you agreed on an adjudication procedure).

Still the final position may have been drawn, and against a pretty strong corr. player! Why don't you focus on that instead?

And P.S. don't say again that people's behaviour on these Sniper threads reflect on their religious convictions and/or morals. Christians can behave badly too.
  

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There was no time control agreed  - It was correspondence game of which you are a candidate World Champion?

My advice is you cancel your training for a while - pop in to your nearest Church and ask for some moral guidance - If I got up half way through a British Champ game whilst my opponent nipped to the loo to check his position on his Rybka via I Phone and handed the result in as 1-0 to me the admin team would not accept as both players had not signed the result- What you did requires a serious apology to me and the chess pub viewers.
  

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TheSniperAuthor wrote on 04/16/11 at 12:12:12:
You claimed I resigned twice when I did not - You are not worthy of my attention.

You are a disgrace to chess.


Refusing to play on = resigns in my book and am sure it does in most other peoples.
  
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You claimed I resigned twice when I did not - You are not worthy of my attention.

You are a disgrace to chess.
  

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BPaulsen wrote on 04/16/11 at 11:08:31:
TheSniperAuthor wrote on 04/16/11 at 10:19:39:
Chess Pub People are getting duff info!


Methinks thou doth protest too much.


Why should they go to all that effort to play a game against the Sniper Author when he twice ran away from his game against me.

I have spoken to a lot of people about this game and nobody likes Blacks position. As for 7. Qb4 being ? Black is always fighting for the draw here.
  
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Reply #56 - 04/16/11 at 11:08:31
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TheSniperAuthor wrote on 04/16/11 at 10:19:39:
Chess Pub People are getting duff info!


Methinks thou doth protest too much.
  

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Has to laugh at ChessPublishing describing Qb4 as an ! move - My analysis indicates it's a ? move - Time will tell - My Knowledge is not cheap and the Chess Pub People are getting duff info! - If you want the answer (I know you all want to see The Sniper fail - Its not going to - get ready to be convereted) I need something in return.

I officially Challenge Gawain Jones to a game on that variation - If I win or draw with The Sniper I get a free 2 Years subscription to all areas of their site!
      
He can have all of the Chess Pub Team to assist and I'l just play on my own with Rybka - so confident am I of the result.
            
That match would be a spectacle for the Chess Pub masses and you should pressurise the owners if you want it to happen,  then we could accurately gauge the awesome Power of The Sniper rather than the 2nd class opinions that predominate at this site born from an over reliance on the subscribers faith in current engine assessments, rather than factoring in human weakness in the engine programming - No doubt this will be edited and deleted like my other comments - I think Chess Pub see my Sniper Monthly Update site as serious competition?  if this happens then the game is off and you can all go back to being bored and praying for The Sniper Cheif to return so that you can be given your emotional high.

The Sniper is the most important opening theoretical development in decades and we all know it and EVERYBODY is affected by it.

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Harvey Williamson wrote on 04/15/11 at 22:46:21:
Those of you that subscribe to the main site will see my game v the Sniper author annotated here http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/6/index.htm


Dang, this is just adding insult to injury. 

Will TWIC pick this up now, or do we need to email this to Mark Crowther?

More importantly what impact will this small setback have on book sales. Undecided

Stay tuned to this channel as the continuing saga unfolds.

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Those of you that subscribe to the main site will see my game v the Sniper author annotated here http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/6/index.htm
  
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Reply #52 - 04/15/11 at 17:36:51
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One Sniper-ish line that seems to score well is 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.d4 Qb6!? Black gets Maroczy type positions with the queen out on c5 early, but White often seems less well-prepared for this than the standard Marozy.

I wonder if this line is covered in any recent books published by Everyman...  Wink
  

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TN wrote on 04/11/11 at 15:44:30:
GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/11/11 at 13:17:33:
Arcticmonkey wrote on 04/11/11 at 09:44:14:
I was sort of asking the author as well, but yea he hasn't commented on this forum in a while so he must be unavailable for some reason.

He got annoyed by TN's edits, it seems, and has stopped posting.


Success! Let's celebrate!  Smiley Smiley

@Arcticmonkey

To be honest I don't understand the point of 4...Qa5 at all. Just play 4...cd4 5.Nd4 Nc6 and book up on some Accelerated Dragon theory. Greet is a good place to start.


Damn, but im really lazy.

Oh well, you might be quite right and i'll have to learn some theory, but like, this line probably has more theory than the entire Sniper book! Sad And i'm also not a subscriber to the dragon's section! (yet). Anyway thanks, and if anyone has an answer to this problem tell me immediately
  
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/11/11 at 13:17:33:
Arcticmonkey wrote on 04/11/11 at 09:44:14:
I was sort of asking the author as well, but yea he hasn't commented on this forum in a while so he must be unavailable for some reason.

He got annoyed by TN's edits, it seems, and has stopped posting.


Success! Let's celebrate!  Smiley Smiley

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To be honest I don't understand the point of 4...Qa5 at all. Just play 4...cd4 5.Nd4 Nc6 and book up on some Accelerated Dragon theory. Greet is a good place to start.
  

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Reply #49 - 04/11/11 at 13:17:33
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Arcticmonkey wrote on 04/11/11 at 09:44:14:
I was sort of asking the author as well, but yea he hasn't commented on this forum in a while so he must be unavailable for some reason.

He got annoyed by TN's edits, it seems, and has stopped posting.
  
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Thanks for replying Kylemeister and Bibs, But i sort of meant is there anyway to deviate from the Mainline (a tempo down) after; 1.e4 g6 2.Nf3 Bg7 3.d4 c5 4.Nc3 Qa5 5.Be2
Like, anything that isn't the a line of the dragon. I was sort of asking the author as well, but yea he hasn't commented on this forum in a while so he must be unavailable for some reason. Any ideas?
  
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Arcticmonkey wrote on 04/10/11 at 12:24:15:
Does anyone know anything about Donaldson's criticisms?
Since, i actually want to try the sniper and hopefully win, but i don't want to play an accelerated a move down in what appears to be some sort of well known line. What do i do?


I would think the standard answer is to play an accelerated not a move down (but with no Maroczy of course).  It's not as though Black can expect to avoid all "normal stuff" by playing 1...g6, 2...Bg7 and 3...c5.
  
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Arcticmonkey wrote on 04/10/11 at 12:24:15:
Does anyone know anything about Donaldson's criticisms?
Since, i actually want to try the sniper and hopefully win, but i don't want to play an accelerated a move down in what appears to be some sort of well known line. What do i do?


Read it here:
http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_jd/The_Sniper.html

Donaldson a notable Acc Dragon practitioner and author of course.
Good to read reviews which actually get to grips with content.  So few do, alas. Just Sadler years back in NIC, Watson on occasion nowadays.
  
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I should think the moderation on this thread and others has cut the interest in chess pub by a large margin.

Let's hope so! Now we can just concentrate on discussing opening theory! Smiley
  
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Does anyone know anything about Donaldson's criticisms?
Since, i actually want to try the sniper and hopefully win, but i don't want to play an accelerated a move down in what appears to be some sort of well known line. What do i do?
  
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I should think the moderation on this thread and others has cut the interest in chess pub by a large margin.


I feel a need to defend myself here.
Firstly I dont think you are right.
Secondly, I draw the line when things get personal. Personal argumemts dont allow for a serious discussion, and people get hurt.
When that line gets crossed, I have to react. When you post you have to think about others as well, we are not all Fischers'.
  

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It's only recently that I realised that you can read/post here without being a subscriber ... I can see that this allows some publicity and opportunity for 'upselling' people to subscriptions - but at the same time allows temporary accounts to arrive and do damage - perhaps some subscriber only threads would avoid some of the slanging and allow those who want to to focus on analysis.

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TN wrote on 04/09/11 at 06:51:45:
As the new co-moderator of this section of the Forum, I have gone through the thread and deleted any posts that breach the ChessPub Forum rules.

I've decided to unlock the thread as TheSniperAuthor doesn't appear to be posting anymore, but if I see any posts without chess moves in this thread I will permanently lock it.


I caution that too much censorship will kill this forum and make it tedious to read. Chess Players much as we hate to admit this come here to be entertained just as much as they come to be enlightened.

Some authors only post on this forum when it comes time to shamelessly plug their works, and that's their right. But what many of them are unprepared for is some of the valid criticisms thrown their way, and nowadays with every rank and file player armed with a laptop and Rybka fancying themselves an expert, only serves to make the situation more irritating for the author.

Its been said before, but it bares repeating, too much is expected of an Opening book. Too many variations and explanation suffers, too much explantion then details are left out, and on and on it goes. If an Opening books provides a sound enough framework for the reader to build upon himself, then the author has done his job. Anything extra is simply gravy.

If an author on the other hand comes here to pound his chest, no pun intended, and declare himself the second coming of christ, then he or she is likely in for a rough ride.

Regarding the opening variation in question, there is nothing  new under the sun, Roman Dzindzichashvili attempted to promote this line on one of his many many DVD's about 10 years ago but it never caught on for the reasons already hghlighted, i.e 4.dxc5 after both 3.Nc3 and to a slightly lesser extent 3.Nf3 pose very unpleasant problems for black to solve.

To round up, censorship should be the very last resort, and I really don't like the idea of deleting peoples post unless its really obscene or something like that. Often a thread loses coherence when one starts chopping here there and everywhere because a poster uses words like, for e.g. chicken, yellow or coward. Better to lock it if you must.

Pet peeve, I hate it when threads degenerate into thirty page long correspondence/computer games, this is not the ICCF site after all, but I suppose I can learn to live with it. Tolerance and a thicker skin equals a more vibrant and diverse forum in my humble opinion.

Going forward, lets all of us just make a more concerted effort to get along.

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Nutflush wrote on 04/09/11 at 13:27:18:
I can't see many other authors popping in if they receive the same reception.

It is true that there is a tendency to be overly critical, and too 'nit-picking', which has annoyed other authors in the past – I have seen some complaints on Facebook! This is a shame as it is good to see authors defend their works here.
  
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Pleased to see some rationality - about time some of the material was deleted, completely uncalled for (whatever people's view of the line and/or the book).

I have no issue with a small amount of advertising by the author - how many author's actually come on here and are prepared to discuss/defend what they have written?

Anyway - it seems the Charlie has packed his bags and gone back to his own forum, I can't see many other authors popping in if they receive the same reception.

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As the new co-moderator of this section of the Forum, I have gone through the thread and deleted any posts that breach the ChessPub Forum rules.

I've decided to unlock the thread as TheSniperAuthor doesn't appear to be posting anymore, but if I see any posts without chess moves in this thread I will permanently lock it.
  

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Apparently it seems difficult to discuss moves in a chess forum.
Thread locked.
  

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TN wrote on 04/07/11 at 23:44:33:
I create a thread to objectively discuss the opening.

The thread derails into a discussion of the book 'The Black Sniper'.  Angry

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OK FINE, i will make a more specific post about the actual moves of the Black sniper so people won't get offended.

Donaldson points out the following:
'On page 59 he gives the line 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 Bg7 4.Nc3 Qa5 and writes “5.Be2 is a passive approach that gives Black an easy ride”. He then gives (after 5.Be2) 5...Nf6 6.0-0 cxd4 7.Nxd4 Nc6 8.Be3 0-0 9.f4 d6 10.Nb3 (“although this knight move gains a tempo, the net effect is that it is removed from the centre and, more so, from any attack on the black king”) 10...Qc7 and the line continues on with 11.Qd2 but in fact the position after 10...Qc7 is a main line in the 7.Bc4 Qa5 Accelerated Dragon where White has picked up a tempo – 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 5.Nc3 Bg7 6.Be3 Nf6 7.Bc4 Qa5 8.0-0 0-0 9.Nb3 Qc7 10.Be2 d6 11.f4'

This is more of what i was referring to when i asked my question. Sorry if that wasn't clear to forum viewers. So what do i do if i want to play the sniper and don't want to transpose into the accelerated as given above?
  
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Reply #33 - 04/08/11 at 00:22:56
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Sniper! Stop! GCHQ/SIS won't take you back if you divulge any more about your job.  There are Russian & Chinese chessplayers on this forum, somewhere.
  
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Hello. Mr Storey, i was wondering what you thought about Donaldson's review, specifically related to the transpositions to the Sicilian dragon?
  
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Reply #31 - 04/07/11 at 10:59:57
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I guess titled players can allow themselves more.

TN wrote on 04/05/11 at 02:43:21:
This thread is only for discussion of the opening, not the book published on the opening.

  

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Greetings.

(reference to 'The Black Sniper' removed - TN)

If I was playing Black in this variation I would be most worried if White angled for a Schmidt Benoni, which is a serious test of Black's resources.

Thanks, Andrew
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Stigma wrote on 04/05/11 at 20:24:13:
SuperHoop wrote on 04/05/11 at 15:44:49:
Stigma wrote on 04/05/11 at 15:03:56:
TN wrote on 04/05/11 at 14:46:11:
I think 3...d5 was the main recommendation, but then 4.ed5 Qd5 5.Nf3 c5 is a variation of the Alapin known to slightly favour White. The trap 6.Be3 cd4 7.cd4 Nh6?? 8.Qc1! is also best avoided.


About the Sicilian transposition; is it that clear? Not all c3 Sicilian books are that pessimistic about Black's chances there.


I can't believe a kingside fianchetto would be a Sicilian player's anti-Alapin weapon of choice. Usually in the Alapin with 2...d5, the move ...Bg4 is an important source of pressure, but without the option of retreating to g6 via h5, it's just going to get swapped off.

With the bishop on g7 Black also has more immediate pressure on d4. So swapping on f3 only adds to that. But in most ...d5 with ...g6 games ...Bg4 isn't played anyway.

Among others, Radabov, Karjakin, Areshchenko, Dreev and Spraggett have played the line with Black in recent years. So it's not a self-evidently bad line.

I would agree with this. To me the fianchetto lines against the Alapin are more attractive than most main Alapin lines. Mainly because they are not as theoretical (yet) and I don't think that they are any worse.
  
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b) 1.e4 g6 2.g3 Bg7 3.Bg2 c5 4.d3 Nc6 5.f4 d6 6.Nf3 Nf6 7.0-0 followed by c3 and eventually d4.

Both objectively equal, but not completely nonvenomous.


I did prepare 6...e5 7.0-0 (7.Nc3 Nd4 is a closed sicilian) Nge7 8.c3 (8.f5 exf5 9.Nh4 fxe4 followed by Be6 and running with the king to the queenside and after Nf5 just takes) 0-0 9.Na3 (9.f5!? is interesting) exf4 10.Bxf4 (10.gxf4?! d5 =+) d5 and I prefer black. Bg4 and d4 is in the air.

Edit: Prefer black as in I prefer that type of position. I guess its equal.
  
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SuperHoop wrote on 04/05/11 at 16:01:37:
Stigma wrote on 04/05/11 at 15:20:23:
SuperHoop wrote on 04/05/11 at 15:16:51:
In the Benoni-Sniper lines, why the hurry to play c4 and deprive the b1-knight of its natural Benoni square, when Black hasn't yet played ...e6 and might still go for ...e5?


You have a point; White could try to keep the c4 square free with something like d5, Nf3, Bd3, 0-0, Nbd2 (with or without h3). But without c2-c4 in it also becomes easier for Black to grab queenside space with an early ...b7-b5. Also, White must figure out how to meet an ...e6 break: dxe6 gives up the center while after ...exd5 / exd5 the d5-pawn might become a big target if White refuses (or is too late with) c2-c4.


I would react to a very early ...b5 with a very early a4 and target the b5-pawn with Na3 combined with the light-squared B. Ask the pawn what exactly it's doing on b5, if it can't capture a pawn on c4.

My idea was to wait for ...e6 then meet it with c4, with a transposition to a main-line Benoni. If Black then wants to play the "Bermuda Triangle vs. the White Arrow" (c5/d6/e5 vs. c4/d5/e4) s/he has lost a tempo on ...e6.


In this "Bermuda Triangle" line, does the knight go to e7 or h6 instead  of f6? Otherwise it's just a Czech Benoni with ...g6, and I don't think that's enough of a problem to dictate White's choice of move order.

Maybe we should be more specific about move orders. The delayed c4 also gives Black chances to play ...c4 himself if the e4 pawn isn't overprotected. For example

1. d4 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. Nf3 c5 4. d5 d6 5. Bd3 Nf6 6. O-O O-O (6... c4 can be considered even here) 7. h3 c4 or 7.c4 Bg4!?. But if your logic is what I think it is, maybe White will play c4 once Black has committed to ...Nf6?

This move order has limited White's choice of Modern Benoni line to basically the "Modern Main Line" (h3, Nf3, Bd3).White has lost the option to play the Bf4 lines, the tricky Qa4+ line, the Classical, the Knight's Tour, the Fianchetto... On the other hand White has gained the chance to meet ...e6 and ...exd5 with exd5, a line sometimes reached from an h3 King's Indian move order, and considered +=.
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Hello I think one of the most critical lines in this opening runs e4-g6 d4-Bg7 Nf3-c5 dc5-Qa5 c3-Qc5 Na3-b6 Nb5-Nf6 b4!
I remember a recent Brunello game..
  
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SuperHoop wrote on 04/05/11 at 15:44:49:
Stigma wrote on 04/05/11 at 15:03:56:
TN wrote on 04/05/11 at 14:46:11:
I think 3...d5 was the main recommendation, but then 4.ed5 Qd5 5.Nf3 c5 is a variation of the Alapin known to slightly favour White. The trap 6.Be3 cd4 7.cd4 Nh6?? 8.Qc1! is also best avoided.


About the Sicilian transposition; is it that clear? Not all c3 Sicilian books are that pessimistic about Black's chances there.


I can't believe a kingside fianchetto would be a Sicilian player's anti-Alapin weapon of choice. Usually in the Alapin with 2...d5, the move ...Bg4 is an important source of pressure, but without the option of retreating to g6 via h5, it's just going to get swapped off.

With the bishop on g7 Black also has more immediate pressure on d4. So swapping on f3 only adds to that. But in most ...d5 with ...g6 games ...Bg4 isn't played anyway.

Among others, Radabov, Karjakin, Areshchenko, Dreev and Spraggett have played the line with Black in recent years. So it's not a self-evidently bad line.
  

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a) 1.e4 g6 2.f4 Bg7 3.Nf3 c5 4.Be2 Nc6 5.d3 d6 6.0-0 followed by c3, Be3, Nbd2 and d4 in some order.

5...e6 6.0-0 Nge7 7.c3 0-0 8.Be3 d6 9.d4 f5 and I rather play the black side. I still regret that I didn't win this against David Flude (he began with 1.f4).
  

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SuperHoop wrote on 04/05/11 at 15:16:51:
In the Benoni-Sniper lines, why the hurry to play c4 and deprive the b1-knight of its natural Benoni square, when Black hasn't yet played ...e6 and might still go for ...e5?


You have a point; White could try to keep the c4 square free with something like d5, Nf3, Bd3, 0-0, Nbd2 (with or without h3). But without c2-c4 in it also becomes easier for Black to grab queenside space with an early ...b7-b5. Also, White must figure out how to meet an ...e6 break: dxe6 gives up the center while after ...exd5 / exd5 the d5-pawn might become a big target if White refuses (or is too late with) c2-c4.


I would react to a very early ...b5 with a very early a4 and target the b5-pawn with Na3 combined with the light-squared B. Ask the pawn what exactly it's doing on b5, if it can't capture a pawn on c4.

My idea was to wait for ...e6 then meet it with c4, with a transposition to a main-line Benoni. If Black then wants to play the "Bermuda Triangle vs. the White Arrow" (c5/d6/e5 vs. c4/d5/e4) s/he has lost a tempo on ...e6.
  
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Stigma wrote on 04/05/11 at 15:03:56:
TN wrote on 04/05/11 at 14:46:11:
I think 3...d5 was the main recommendation, but then 4.ed5 Qd5 5.Nf3 c5 is a variation of the Alapin known to slightly favour White. The trap 6.Be3 cd4 7.cd4 Nh6?? 8.Qc1! is also best avoided.


About the Sicilian transposition; is it that clear? Not all c3 Sicilian books are that pessimistic about Black's chances there.


I can't believe a kingside fianchetto would be a Sicilian player's anti-Alapin weapon of choice. Usually in the Alapin with 2...d5, the move ...Bg4 is an important source of pressure, but without the option of retreating to g6 via h5, it's just going to get swapped off.
  
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It's worth noting that players looking for a very low-theory system against the Sniper can consider one of two 'Big Clamp' setups, which can be frustrating for the Black player to face.

a) 1.e4 g6 2.f4 Bg7 3.Nf3 c5 4.Be2 Nc6 5.d3 d6 6.0-0 followed by c3, Be3, Nbd2 and d4 in some order.

b) 1.e4 g6 2.g3 Bg7 3.Bg2 c5 4.d3 Nc6 5.f4 d6 6.Nf3 Nf6 7.0-0 followed by c3 and eventually d4.

Both objectively equal, but not completely nonvenomous.
  

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Reply #19 - 04/05/11 at 15:24:07
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1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Bc4 c6 4.Nc3 is a well known line, so the question is if White has better. The only candidate seems to me 4.Qf3 indeed (or Black will play ...d5 and win a tempo). Alas high level games are very rare. Here is one:

Inarkiev,E (2300) - Kupreichik,V (2505) [B06]
Olympiade Elista (10), 09.10.1998

1.d4 g6 2.e4 Bg7 3.Bc4 c6 4.Qf3 e6 5.Ne2 Ne7 6.Bg5 d5 7.Bb3 h6 8.Bf4 g5 9.Qg3 Na6 10.Nbc3 dxe4 11.Nxe4 0-0 12.Bd2 Nf5 13.Qf3 Nh4 14.Qg3 Nf5 15.Qf3 Qc7 16.0-0-0 Nh4 17.Qh5 f6 18.g3 Nf5 19.h4 Qf7 20.Qg4 h5 21.Qf3 g4 22.Qd3 Rd8 23.f3 c5 24.fxg4 Nxd4 25.Nxd4 cxd4 26.Rdf1 hxg4 27.Bg5 Nb4 28.Qd2 Nd5 29.Bxd5 Rxd5 30.Nxf6+ Bxf6 31.Rxf6 Qg7 32.Rhf1 Bd7 33.Bh6 Qe7 34.Rg6+ Kh7 35.Qd3 Kh8 36.Bg5 Rxg5 37.hxg5 1-0

I haven't analyzed this, but Kupreichik's opening play doesn't look optimal to me at first glance (but then, who am I to write something like this?)

Anyhow, someone who intends to play Bc4 against the Pirc/Modern doesn't have to worry about the Sniper, only to remember that 3.Bc4 is the precise move order.
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In the Benoni-Sniper lines, why the hurry to play c4 and deprive the b1-knight of its natural Benoni square, when Black hasn't yet played ...e6 and might still go for ...e5?


You have a point; White could try to keep the c4 square free with something like d5, Nf3, Bd3, 0-0, Nbd2 (with or without h3). But without c2-c4 in it also becomes easier for Black to grab queenside space with an early ...b7-b5. Also, White must figure out how to meet an ...e6 break: dxe6 gives up the center while after ...exd5 / exd5 the d5-pawn might become a big target if White refuses (or is too late with) c2-c4.
  

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Stigma wrote on 04/05/11 at 13:21:57:
Unless Black is completely brainwashed he can just switch to playing the Pirc, Modern or Hippo, can't he? I don't think lines with Bc4 are very critical against those.


Probably not, I only mentioned it to make the point that chess is too complex to get away with playing the same three moves against absolutely everything. If 3...d6 is a clearly better move than 3...c5, my point is proven.

Having said that, Polgar beat Shirov in a ...c6 Modern in 21 moves with a combination of Nc3, Bc4 and Qf3...

In the Benoni-Sniper lines, why the hurry to play c4 and deprive the b1-knight of its natural Benoni square, when Black hasn't yet played ...e6 and might still go for ...e5?
  
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Stigma wrote on 04/05/11 at 13:21:57:
But if 3.Bc4 c5 4.dxc5 is good, it's still just a specific Anti-Sniper line.

Unless Black is completely brainwashed he can just switch to playing the Pirc, Modern or Hippo, can't he? I don't think lines with Bc4 are very critical against those.

Edit: 3.Bc4 d6 4.Nf3 is still a solid and playable line of course. So 3.Bc4 could be well worth a try against suspected Snipers.


I agree that this might be a good try against people who you think might play the sniper. I wonder about the two following lines that i don't think have been mentioned yet (after 1.e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3.Bc4 c5 4.dxc5)

-4...Qa5+ 5.c3 Qxc5 6.Qb3 e6 7.Be3 Qa5!?
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-4...Nc6!? 5.Nc3 Qa5 6.Nge2 Nf6 7.0-0 Qxc5 8.Bb3 0-0 9.Be3 Qa5. I find it hard to believe that Black would be much worse here. To be honest, the second line looks like a dragon but White castled kingside. Black seems to have good c-file counterplay as is usual in the Sicilian with ...Bd7, ...Rac8 etc with no attacks on his king to worry about. Looks equal to me. There's improvements along the way in this line i'm sure, somebody find them!


  
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I wonder if 3...c6 isn't possible here as well. After 4.Nc3 Black can play 4...b5!? 5.Bb3 b4 6.Nce2 d5 with an interesting, imbalanced position, and 4.Qf3 e6 is fine for Black as 5.e5 is well met by 5...d6 or 5...d5.

As far as I know 3.c3 c5 4.dc5 wasn't really covered properly. I'm not sure how Black can regain his pawn as 4...Qc7 can be answered by 5.Be3. 4...Nf6 5.e5 Ne4 6.Qd5 doesn't help Black's cause either.

I think 3...d5 was the main recommendation, but then 4.ed5 Qd5 5.Nf3 c5 is a variation of the Alapin known to slightly favour White. The trap 6.Be3 cd4 7.cd4 Nh6?? 8.Qc1! is also best avoided.


I've never seen 3.c3 c5 recommended anywhere, probably for the reason you give. Persson has 3.c3 d6 while Storey has 3.c3 d5.

About the Sicilian transposition; is it that clear? Not all c3 Sicilian books are that pessimistic about Black's chances there. Btw. all the analysis on it in Storey's book is available in the free extract on the Everyman site.
  

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Stigma wrote on 04/05/11 at 13:21:57:
But if 3.Bc4 c5 4.dxc5 is good, it's still just a specific Anti-Sniper line.

Unless Black is completely brainwashed he can just switch to playing the Pirc, Modern or Hippo, can't he? I don't think lines with Bc4 are very critical against those.

Edit: 3.Bc4 d6 4.Nf3 is still a solid and playable line of course. So 3.Bc4 could be well worth a try against suspected Snipers.


I wonder if 3...c6 isn't possible here as well. After 4.Nc3 Black can play 4...b5!? 5.Bb3 b4 6.Nce2 d5 with an interesting, imbalanced position, and 4.Qf3 e6 is fine for Black as 5.e5 is well met by 5...d6 or 5...d5.

As far as I know 3.c3 c5 4.dc5 wasn't really covered properly. I'm not sure how Black can regain his pawn as 4...Qc7 can be answered by 5.Be3. 4...Nf6 5.e5 Ne4 6.Qd5 doesn't help Black's cause either.

I think 3...d5 was the main recommendation, but then 4.ed5 Qd5 5.Nf3 c5 is a variation of the Alapin known to slightly favour White. The trap 6.Be3 cd4 7.cd4 Nh6?? 8.Qc1! is also best avoided.
  

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Stigma wrote on 04/05/11 at 13:49:24:
Another thing:

If White is a 1.d4 player and happy to transpose to various kinds of Benoni, what is to stop him from playing 1.d4 g6 2.e4 Bg7 3.Nf3 c5 4.d5 d6 5.c4, or 3.c4 c5 4.d5?


Not that i am Sniper no.2 or anything, but Storey does consider these lines in the book. The difference between this and most benoni's is that the knight is already developed to f6 on move one and lost its flexibility. Storey gives a ...Ne7 manouvre in most or all of his lines since the knight hasn't decided where it wants to go yet. Yea the knight is a person what of it.
In any case, if you happen to be a benoni player as well which i suspect would be a bonus if you intend to play the sniper, than you can also play ...Nf6 and transpose to the benoni if you want! (with the advantage of avoiding many theoretical lines with the move order 1...g6 2...Bg7 and 3...c5 etc).
  
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For the record, Hillarp Persson in "Tiger's Modern" mentions 3.Bc4 c5!? 4. dxc5 Qa5+ 5. c3 Qxc5 6. Qb3!? e6 7. Be3 Qc6! 8.Nd2 Nf6 9.Bb5?! etc., and comments "Though White must certainly be able to improve on his ninth move, I am even more worried about 8.Na3!?, when White gets a fantastic initiative if Black grabs the e-pawn."

The implication is that Black should probably choose 3...d6 instead, when Hillarp Persson is happy to transpose to the Pirc after either 4.Nc3 Nf6 or 4.Nf3 Nf6.
  

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Another thing:

If White is a 1.d4 player and happy to transpose to various kinds of Benoni, what is to stop him from playing 1.d4 g6 2.e4 Bg7 3.Nf3 c5 4.d5 d6 5.c4, or 3.c4 c5 4.d5?
  

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Stigma wrote on 04/05/11 at 13:21:57:
But if 3.Bc4 c5 4.dxc5 is good, it's still just a specific Anti-Sniper line.

Unless Black is completely brainwashed he can just switch to playing the Pirc, Modern or Hippo, can't he? I don't think lines with Bc4 are very critical against those.

Edit: 3.Bc4 d6 4.Nf3 is still a solid and playable line of course. So 3.Bc4 could be well worth a try against suspected Snipers.


I agree. Although am not sure Charlie will. 3. Nc3 and 4. dxc or 4. d5 seem like the best lines for White.
  
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But if 3.Bc4 c5 4.dxc5 is good, it's still just a specific Anti-Sniper line.

Unless Black is completely brainwashed he can just switch to playing the Pirc, Modern or Hippo, can't he? I don't think lines with Bc4 are very critical against those.

Edit: 3.Bc4 d6 4.Nf3 is still a solid and playable line of course. So 3.Bc4 could be well worth a try against suspected Snipers.
  

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SuperHoop wrote on 04/05/11 at 12:00:49:
OK, if this is going to be a serious theoretical discussion, I'll make the same point I made in the old thread: 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Bc4 and now is anyone prepared to argue that 3...c5 4.dxc5 Qa5+ 5.c3 Qxc5 6.Qb3 is good for Black?


Not me! This has been played in the engine room on Playchess:

[Event "16m + 0s, rated"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2010.02.13"]
[Round "?"]
[White "arboleda, Rybka 3"]
[Black "Future Breeze, Rybka 3 DynamicBree"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B06"]
[WhiteElo "2591"]
[BlackElo "2435"]
[PlyCount "59"]
[EventDate "2010.02.26"]
[EventType "rapid"]
[Source "José Riverol"]
[SourceDate "2004.01.28"]

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Bc4 c5 4. dxc5 Qa5+ 5. c3 Qxc5 6. Qb3 e6 7. Be3 Qc7 8.
Na3 a6 9. Nf3 b5 10. Bxb5 axb5 11. Nxb5 Qc6 12. O-O-O Na6 13. Rd6 Qxe4 14. Rd4
Nc5 15. Qc4 Bxd4 16. Nd6+ Ke7 17. Nxe4 Ra4 18. b4 Bxe3+ 19. fxe3 Nxe4 20. Qxe4
Rxa2 21. Qd4 Nf6 22. Kb1 Rf2 23. e4 Rxg2 24. Qc5+ d6 25. Qc7+ Bd7 26. e5 Ne4
27. exd6+ Kf6 28. Rf1 Kg7 29. Nh4 Rc8 30. Rxf7+ 1-0

  
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OK, if this is going to be a serious theoretical discussion, I'll make the same point I made in the old thread: 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Bc4 and now is anyone prepared to argue that 3...c5 4.dxc5 Qa5+ 5.c3 Qxc5 6.Qb3 is good for Black?
  
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Against b3 an Anti Sniper;

g6-Nf6 if exf6 and leave the Pawn on f6 for a very very long time.

(The rest was shameless self-promotion of 'The Black Sniper' and was deleted. - TN)
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Without digressing and opening a new can of worms, the book doesn't mention anything against the Nimzovitch-Larsen attack (i.e. 1. b3), I wonder what he had in mind in his Framework? I did face a b3 Sicilian in a League game the other night, which kinda prompted this thought...
  
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Gambit wrote on 04/05/11 at 07:10:42:
Sounds like I missed all the fun. Apparently the Sniper thread got even more hits than the BDG, which is highly unusual. And it seems a lot was a bunch of attacks on the author of the book, Charlie Storey.
Geez...

Anyway, what is to say that after 1 e4 g6 2 d4 Bg7 3 Nf3 c5 you have a Sicilian Dragon?


Indeed, this is a Hyper-Accelerated Dragon, so there is some overlap with the Dragons section. In any case I think the file gives White more than enough information to face the Sniper with confidence and place the guns firmly in the other hand. Wink
  

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Thanks TN, i was looking at doing the same thing. Big help!
  
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Sounds like I missed all the fun. Apparently the Sniper thread got even more hits than the BDG, which is highly unusual. And it seems a lot was a bunch of attacks on the author of the book, Charlie Storey.
Geez...

Anyway, what is to say that after 1 e4 g6 2 d4 Bg7 3 Nf3 c5 you have a Sicilian Dragon?
  
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I've attached a PGN file containing all of the analysis and ideas given in the recently closed thread on the new book 'The Black Sniper'. The file is not at all comprehensive, merely an overview of the lines discussed in the locked thread.

This thread is only for discussion of the opening, not the book published on the opening.
  

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