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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #40 - 11/22/16 at 03:46:18
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Justinhorton wrote on 07/11/15 at 11:54:03:
I bought this book the other day. I've been looking for a variation I can't seem to find - is it covered?

The line is 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 Bb4 5. cxd5 exd5 6. Bg5 Nbd7 (or some other move order). Now what happens if White plays 7. Qc2? I ask because this is Khalifman's recommendation in Opening Repertoire According To Kramnik, which of course is quite old now. Is 7.Qc2 not considered important any more, or is the line there and I just can't see it? It's not the best-indexed book in the world as far as the variations are concerned.


Just saw this. It's 7...c5 in Kramnik v Grischuk, page 321.
  
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Reply #39 - 07/11/15 at 11:54:03
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I bought this book the other day. I've been looking for a variation I can't seem to find - is it covered?

The line is 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 Bb4 5. cxd5 exd5 6. Bg5 Nbd7 (or some other move order). Now what happens if White plays 7. Qc2? I ask because this is Khalifman's recommendation in Opening Repertoire According To Kramnik, which of course is quite old now. Is 7.Qc2 not considered important any more, or is the line there and I just can't see it? It's not the best-indexed book in the world as far as the variations are concerned.
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #38 - 01/15/12 at 20:53:55
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Just a word about one possible move order issue:

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 c5 5.cd5 ed5 is best met by 6.Bg5, which supposedly gives White an edge in every variation. So by inference, the position after 6...cd4 7.ed4 Bb4 should definitely favor white.

This is actually D32, a Tarrasch, but it's possible to arrive at this position through the Ragozin, D38


  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #37 - 01/12/12 at 12:04:35
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Maybe yes. There are some extra Qa4+ x c4 ideas and stuff that you've missed after 4 .. dc but they're not anything terribly serious.

Oh 5 e3 a6 6 Bxc4 b5 is actually quite pleasant for black so you really don't want to play 6 .. c5 there if given the choice. Its like a more comfortable Meran. There's a little bit to check cf the most accurate move orders and stuff but white really should be going 6 a4 instead.
(Not sure how well known this is at club level though - I actually did play 4.. dc for a bit at club level and kept getting that position!).

The Vienna isn't really a subvariation of the Ragozin though. Its a full opening complex in its own right and one which Barsky quite reasonably doesn't cover.
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #36 - 01/12/12 at 11:37:51
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I wonder about the difference between 4....Bb4 and 4....dxc4.

Here is an overview:

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 (or other move orders)

4...Bb4

     a) 5.Bg5

           5...h6
           5...Sbd7
           5...dxc4 6.e4 (6.e3 b5!) c5 This is the standard position of the vienna variation of the ragozin.

     b) 5.cxd5
     c) 5.e3 c5 or 5...0-0
     d) 5.Qa4+

4...dxc4

     a) 5.e4 Bb4 6.Bg5 c5  This is the standard position of the vienna variation of the ragozin.

     b) 5.e3 a6 (5...c5 6.Bxc4 a6 see below)
           6.a4 c5 7.Bxc4
           6.Bxc4 c5 (6...b5 happens more often) 7.a4 (7.0-0) see 6.a4

My question is:
If black aims for the above mentioned standard position of the vienna variation is then 4...dxc4 even easier to learn?!  Huh

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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #35 - 01/01/12 at 11:14:48
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Interesting Smiley Not atypical of the book I guess - seemingly a good resource but it does certainly need some work untangling everything. Drawback of annotated games I guess, although in some ways making us work a bit of course a good thing!

Actually the large section on 5 Qc2 Nc6 very indicative of this - if you were being utilitarian you could easily do a Ragozin book without even mentioning it, let alone half a dozen full annotated games. 5 Qc2 rare now and  dc/c5/o-o all much more popular responses. (c5 maybe more practical than dc, what with the mainline Noteboom transposition in there?!)

Doesn't stop it being instructive/historically useful though. And of course maybe relevant for Nimzo/Ragozin combinations, especially with it being rare enough there to have fallen out of Vigorito.
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #34 - 12/30/11 at 23:55:08
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Getting back on topic...Smiley

A question!


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One gets the impression from reading Barsky that position #1 is better for White, while position #2 is much better version for Black. Why? Basically, in position #2 after 16...Nxc5! 17.Qxc5 Bf5! 18.Qc3 Rfc8 19.Qa1 Black has 19...Bg4! which threatens 20...Bxf3 winning the bishop on h4. That bishop is not vulnerable on h4 in position #1.

So my question is if Black can be tricky and reach position #2 from the position #1 move order. See below:


  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #33 - 12/25/11 at 14:58:17
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According to https://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4318 her given name is Humpy and family name is Koneru. But the family name is written first apparently:
Koneru Humpy.
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #32 - 12/25/11 at 07:59:25
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saubhikr wrote on 12/25/11 at 02:48:27:
Markovich wrote on 11/25/11 at 16:32:29:
That's Humpy Koneru.


Surprised to see the comment. Isn't she the second highest rated female player for a long time? She lost to Yifan Hou because Hou played better than her overall and she couldn't exploit the advantageous positions she got a few cases.


Well, I think the comment is right. Her first name is Humpy if I understand it correctly.
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #31 - 12/25/11 at 02:48:27
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Markovich wrote on 11/25/11 at 16:32:29:
That's Humpy Koneru.


Surprised to see the comment. Isn't she the second highest rated female player for a long time? She lost to Yifan Hou because Hou played better than her overall and she couldn't exploit the advantageous positions she got a few cases.
  
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Reply #30 - 11/25/11 at 17:01:24
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Markovich wrote on 11/25/11 at 16:32:29:
That's Humpy Koneru.

Are you sure? We already got it wrong once with another strong chessplayer from India: Anand Viswanathan.
  

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Reply #29 - 11/25/11 at 16:32:29
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That's Humpy Koneru.
  

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Reply #28 - 11/25/11 at 11:29:27
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But I wouldn't claim Hou Yifan was better or even equalising in all these games, or what is the opinion? I haven't studied the lines, just seen the games briefly with comments at Chessbase, where it was commented that Koneru Humpy probably was better from the opening but later on lost the advantage.
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #27 - 11/25/11 at 06:37:01
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Btw, Hou Yifan used Bb4 against Koneru Humpy several times in her successful defense of her Women's World Championship title. Humpy played three different systems but only managed one draw out of three games, and that was the final when Hou Yifan only needed a draw to retain the title.

Barsky's timing couldn't have been better: He's written a book that covers a fresh opening that has the endorsement of a 17 year old World Champion. And, it's available in time for Christmas!
  
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Reply #26 - 11/25/11 at 01:48:30
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Here is my brief review for the 3Cs website:

The Ragozin Complex – A Guide for White and Black, by Vladimir Barsky (translated by Steve Giddins)
New in Chess 350 pages, softback

One of the most prized items in my chess library is a somewhat battered blue hard-back book that was published in Kiev in 1956. It’s in Russian. The title means Questions of Modern Chess Theory. The author is Isaac Lipnitsky (1923-59). Lipnitsky was a very strong player; he never competed internationally, but played three times in the immensely strong championship of the USSR, his best achievement being a share of second place in 1950, behind Keres. The first 200 pages of the book deliver what the title of the book promises: a discussion of the theory of the openings and the links between the opening and the middlegame. The approach is startlingly modern and “concrete”, anti-dogmatic.

The final 220 or so pages of the book apply the ideas developed in the first half to the study of one particular opening complex: the Ragozin system, which can arise from various move orders but is essentially a hybrid of the Nimzo-Indian and the Queen’s Gambit, often arising, for instance, after 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 d5 4 Nc3 Bb4. Black is prepared to accept the blocking of his c-pawn (5 Qa4+ forces 5…Nc6) and usually intends to free his position with …e5 instead of …c5.

Lipnitsky’s book was remarkably influential; references to it can be found, for instance, in the writings of Fischer, Botvinnik, Shereshevsky and Dvoretsky. Fischer is said to have studied Russian just so that he could read it, and early in his career he played several games with the Ragozin, although it has to be admitted that it was not his most successful black opening.

My own knowledge of Russian is limited to what one might call “chess-Russian”, developed by trying, with the aid of a dictionary, to understand the pages of Russian chess magazines in the late 1960s. Therefore I was delighted when in 2008 the publishers “Quality Chess” issued an English translation of Lipnitsky’s legendary book. This was great – as far as it went… The publishers decided to issue only the first part of it, omitting the second section on the Ragozin and replacing it with some of Lipnitsky’s annotated games. Still, this is a good book and I am pleased to be able to appreciate Lipnitsky’s ideas more deeply through the fluent translation by John Sugden.

Now, in 2011, my happiness is (almost) complete: the publishers New in Chess have issued a 350 page book by Lipnitsky-fan International Master Vladimir Barsky, offering an extensive study of the Ragozin and presenting the state of its theory in 2011, but based on Lipnitsky’s approach and division of the material. The author also makes extensive use of relevant quotations from Lipnitsky’s book, including a translation of his important section on “How to study a concrete opening”. 

Viacheslav Ragozin himself (1908-1962) appears in the book far less than Lipnitsky, although six of his seminal games receive extensive annotation.

Some readers might be disappointed by the fact that this is not really a repertoire book; instead it is based on the “complete annotated games” approach. It contains 65 annotated games, grouped into seven chapters. There is an index of players, a list of games, an index of variations and a bibliography.

Two slightly sad notes: the only photograph presented of Lipnitsky is a blurred one from 1939. And the photo purporting to be of Ragozin (page 9) is in fact one of Boleslavsky. I hope this can be corrected in any subsequent edition of this interesting book.

Verdict:  One can learn a great deal from this book, both from Lipnitsky’s insights and the more up-to-date theory provided by its 21st century author, IM Barsky, for whom this book was clearly a labour of love. Highly recommended to players wishing to develop a feel for the Ragozin complex. For many players this will provide a good answer to the question of what to aim for when White avoids the Nimzo-Indian by playing 3.Nf3.                                     ****(*)

A contents list and sample can be downloaded in pdf from
http://www.newinchess.com/The_Ragozin_Complex-p-954.html
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #25 - 11/24/11 at 16:48:29
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Interesting. How do you deal with 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5? In the thread I mentioned above, it was suggested that this is the Achilles heel of the ...Bb4-against-everything approach.


In SOS no.11 GM Vitiugov examines the rather rare 3...Bb4, which he calls "accelerated Ragozin".
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #24 - 11/09/11 at 21:46:08
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Brehn wrote on 11/07/11 at 23:35:17:
So, do I get this right: after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 Bb4 5.Bg5 (or 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bg5) only the 5...Nbd7 (or 6.Nbd7) complex is covered, and the 5...h6 (or 6...h6) complex is not?

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.c4 e6 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.Bg5 h6 is covered in chapter six. 5...dxc4 is the Vienna and this is not covered, but White has to be prepared for if he plays 5.Bg5.

5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bg5 is covered in Chapter seven 6...Nd7 is a very important line there. But Barsky seems optimistic that Black can delay or avoid ...Nd7.

I think 5.Bg5 Nd7 is not covered, but this is not so easy to find out, because there is only a short index of variations for each chapter, but no index for the whole book. Move order considerations are sometimes in the annotations of games.

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By the way, I'm scoring pretty well with 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Bb4+ 5.Nbd2 dxc4 and 6...b5 at least in Blitz games, and I don't see any clear way of White getting an edge. Does anybody disagree?

I have played 5...dxc4 with some success and don't know a way to a White advantage.

  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #23 - 11/08/11 at 12:59:26
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I saw one response that indicated what the book was structured like.  So what did you think of it? 

Enough text for those unfamiliar with the opening?  Look like a database dump etc? What rating level do you think it is geared towards?   Accurate analysis and or gives his own opinions on the positions?
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Reply #22 - 11/08/11 at 00:19:25
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>Somebody a little further up suggested playing the Nimzo and the principal lines of the QGD. Surely for most purposes, that's one system too many.

Doesn't everyone who plays the Nimzo need to have another system ready for 3 Nf3? Is the QID any less work than the QGD, for example?
  
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Reply #21 - 11/07/11 at 23:35:17
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So, do I get this right: after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 Bb4 5.Bg5 (or 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bg5) only the 5...Nbd7 (or 6.Nbd7) complex is covered, and the 5...h6 (or 6...h6) complex is not?

By the way, I'm scoring pretty well with 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Bb4+ 5.Nbd2 dxc4 and 6...b5 at least in Blitz games, and I don't see any clear way of White getting an edge. Does anybody disagree?
  
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Reply #20 - 11/07/11 at 17:35:13
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All of them actually Smiley Sorry!

Think I was rather presuming it was being paired with the Nimzo when white of course has Nf3 in before you go d5. Suppose thats the 'answer' for a Bb4 vs everything as can normally go d5 shortly afterwards.

As an aside after 3 Nf3 d5 4 Bg5 Nbd7 5 e3 Bb4+ Palliser doesn't like 6 Nbd2 c5 and so recommends 6 Nc3, which I assume puts us back in this repitoire. Of course Play 1 d4 was written before this stuff got so popular.
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Reply #19 - 11/07/11 at 16:06:27
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And several remarks of MartinC were addressed at 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bg5 (Nbd7).
  

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Reply #18 - 11/07/11 at 14:38:57
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@MartinC and Straggler: I don't think you're talking abouth the same thing.

3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 is a main line, usually leading to the Exchange (White can also play 4.cxd5 immediately). If Black tries to play a la Ragozin against these, White can try to do without an early Nf3, which may lead to lines covered by Flear in Dangerous Weapons: The Queen's Gambit. He argued that ...Bb4 is indeed playable against the Exchange, but the jury is still out on that.

3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bg5 is a not-so-common sideline, though it has been played by some strong players and was recommended by Palliser in Play 1.d4!

In both cases White can of course choose to simply develop both knights, but that's most common if he's committed to an early Nf3 (having played 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3, 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 or 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4, for example).
  

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Reply #17 - 11/07/11 at 13:45:20
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Not on move 4. On my database of Twic's its ~14k games for 4 Nc3 (and then 5 Bf4 or Bg5), 6k for g3 and 1.7k for 4 Bg5. Strong players using it mind.

4 Bg5 Nbd7 5 cd ed 6 Nc3 Bb4 is a transposition to 4 Nc3 Bb4 5 Bg5 Nbd7 6 cd ed. Tons of very high level games in recent times.

The logical question in terms of 4 Bg5 Nbd7 being independent is whether or not 5 e3 Bb4+ 6 Nbd2 amounts to much. Black does get more effective h6 ideas but dc obviously much less effective Smiley
  
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Reply #16 - 11/07/11 at 11:42:29
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4.Bg5 is pretty popular, isn't it? I thought it was the main line.

And if 4...Nbd7, doesn't 5.cxd5 give White a standard exchange variation, in which ...Bb4 won't work?
  
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Reply #15 - 11/07/11 at 09:53:08
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More an independent approach to be aware of that. It doesn't really seem to avoid Bb4(+) or dc approaches, just changes how they work out and lower theory.

If it really did force a transposition elsewhere it'd be pretty popular because the Vienna (especially) and the Ragozin are pretty serious obstacles Smiley

Actually can't see why a Ragozin player can't go 4.. Nbd7 ^ Bb4(+) and/or h6.
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #14 - 11/07/11 at 08:26:34
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HgMan wrote on 11/04/11 at 17:59:51:
I've paired the Ragozin with a couple of options from the Dangerous Weapons d4 d5 with good success. Basically, striking out with Bb4 regardless of how White plays. You get some interesting positions and White frequently reverts back to familiar Ragozin lines.

Interesting. How do you deal with 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5? In the thread I mentioned above, it was suggested that this is the Achilles heel of the ...Bb4-against-everything approach.
  
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Reply #13 - 11/06/11 at 20:25:00
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 11/05/11 at 02:48:55:
Yeah. Apparently the received wisdom is that Bb4 against the QGD is bad, therefore anything white plays against it will win.

Personally, I'd love to find a simple way for White to get the edge against this system. But the Ragozin holds up even in correspondence chess.

Let me try this:

Don't play the Ragozin! It stinks! Save yourself the heartache and learn something else!

(Do you think that worked?  Wink )


I will buy the book ASAP.  Grin
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #12 - 11/05/11 at 02:48:55
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Yeah. Apparently the received wisdom is that Bb4 against the QGD is bad, therefore anything white plays against it will win.

Personally, I'd love to find a simple way for White to get the edge against this system. But the Ragozin holds up even in correspondence chess.

Let me try this:

Don't play the Ragozin! It stinks! Save yourself the heartache and learn something else!

(Do you think that worked?  Wink )
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #11 - 11/04/11 at 17:59:51
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browniesbane wrote on 10/29/11 at 05:00:01:
The book has got a lot of interesting games old and new, but it’s not a repertoire book. This leaves open the question of whether taking up the opening is practical for an amateur like me who faces opponents in the 1700-2300 range. The question is whether I will ever see the starting point of the Ragozin—where White’s first four moves in the QGD are d4, c4, Nc3 and Nf3 in one order or another.


I’m thinking that if I take this up, I will have to prepare something against an early exchange variation. Against a line where White plays Nf3 and Bg5 in the first four moves (instead of Nc3 and Nf3), checking on B4 with the Bishop probably transposes to the Ragozin. The lines I’m not sure what to do are  1d4 d5, 2c4 e6, 3Nc3 Nf6, 4Bg5, and 1d4 d5, 2c4 e6, 3Nc3 Nf6, 4 cd ed, 5Bg5. I’d feel more comfortable with using the Ragozin as a system, if I could play Bb4+ in response to those lines, but I’m not sure if the bishop check is accurate there—white has a good scoring percentage when he hasn’t committed to Nf3.


I've paired the Ragozin with a couple of options from the Dangerous Weapons d4 d5 with good success. Basically, striking out with Bb4 regardless of how White plays. You get some interesting positions and White frequently reverts back to familiar Ragozin lines.
  

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Reply #10 - 11/04/11 at 13:38:38
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€20 / $18.50 --- ???
  

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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #9 - 11/03/11 at 23:40:31
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I got the book today. Barsky has done a good work. It is not a repertoire book as already written here. And he does not include the Vienna. Barsky has taken a lot of conclusions and quotations from Isaak Lipnitskys wonderful book on the Ragozin. A book Barsky picked up as a youngster and  a book that encouraged him to start playing the Ragozin. I have that book also (in russian language) and can only agree it is a great book.

He explains that black has three basic strategies in the Ragozin. The advance e6-e5. The light square strategy and the flank attack by the pawn majority.The Ragozin complex is explained by 65 annotated games. For black and white.

When I play through some games and look at the diagrams in the book the ragozin seems to be a quite sound and dynamic way to play the QGD.(It may be closer to Nimzo-Indian).

If you want to construct a repertoire around the Ragozin from the opening moves 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 you must be prepared to face the more difficult QGD exchange variation when white delays Nf3.

Another way is of course  to play the Nimzo and the Ragozin. 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Bb4  BUT dont forget that white can play as Palliser recommended in Play 1.d4! :

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Bg5!? and after 4...Bb4+white can play 5.Nbd2 and you dont have a normal Ragozin on the board. So it is a matter of taste what way to go.

From the book I can see that whites two most popular choices to face the ragozin is by playing either  5.Qa4+ or 5. cxd5 followed by 6.Bg5.

I must study these lines and games more and test the opening in practice and learn the repertoire move orders and nuances.

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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #8 - 11/01/11 at 21:15:42
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No doesn't cover the vienna QGD, thinks playing pxp gives quite different positions to Ragozin system. Does cover Westphalia line, playing Nd7. Follows same approach as classic russian book.

Think can use Ragozin with Nimzo, as would Queens Indian etc. Plus can play some Nimzo lines in Ragozin style, particularly 4.e3 ones.
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #7 - 11/01/11 at 19:10:59
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Yes its one more system.  But such luminaries as John Watson recommend the nimzo as a great system to learn chess.  He also says that other "great" teachers recommend it, not sure whom he means.  This can be found in Volume 4 of watson's opening book.  Plus many GMs play this way,  That is all I was getting at. 
Bonus: Watson also highly recommends open positions.  He basically says no sicilian as bllack til pretty high rating and even then porefers his player playing open positions.  another marokovic doctrine member.
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #6 - 11/01/11 at 07:03:46
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Does this book cover the Vienna?

Somebody a little further up suggested playing the Nimzo and the principal lines of the QGD. Surely for most purposes, that's one system too many.
  

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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
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browniesbane wrote on 10/29/11 at 05:00:01:
The lines I’m not sure what to do are  1d4 d5, 2c4 e6, 3Nc3 Nf6, 4Bg5, and 1d4 d5, 2c4 e6, 3Nc3 Nf6, 4 cd ed, 5Bg5. I’d feel more comfortable with using the Ragozin as a system, if I could play Bb4+ in response to those lines, but I’m not sure if the bishop check is accurate there—white has a good scoring percentage when he hasn’t committed to Nf3.


5...Bb4 in the exchange variation was suggested by Flear in the Dangerous Weapons book, and discussed here: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1245271098/14#14.
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
Reply #4 - 10/29/11 at 06:07:02
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Play the Nimzo!!!!!!!!!!  Start with 1.d4 nf6 2.c4 e6 3Nc3 Bb4 and if 3Nf3 play d5 and transpose into your ragozin!!!   and if 3.g3 play c5 and go into Benoni that isn't tooo scarrrry!

    Why play this way, because this is how so many GMs are playing.  Plus you can add the Bogo or QID for variety/fun/to better your chess....  and if you don't like that pick up IM Cox's book on the QGD where he gives a great repertoire in the QGD with the Tartakower a line vs catalan and all you need to know vs the exchange!  (also using Cox's book gives you a repertoire sounds like Barsky doesn't)
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
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The book has got a lot of interesting games old and new, but it’s not a repertoire book. This leaves open the question of whether taking up the opening is practical for an amateur like me who faces opponents in the 1700-2300 range. The question is whether I will ever see the starting point of the Ragozin—where White’s first four moves in the QGD are d4, c4, Nc3 and Nf3 in one order or another.


I’m thinking that if I take this up, I will have to prepare something against an early exchange variation. Against a line where White plays Nf3 and Bg5 in the first four moves (instead of Nc3 and Nf3), checking on B4 with the Bishop probably transposes to the Ragozin. The lines I’m not sure what to do are  1d4 d5, 2c4 e6, 3Nc3 Nf6, 4Bg5, and 1d4 d5, 2c4 e6, 3Nc3 Nf6, 4 cd ed, 5Bg5. I’d feel more comfortable with using the Ragozin as a system, if I could play Bb4+ in response to those lines, but I’m not sure if the bishop check is accurate there—white has a good scoring percentage when he hasn’t committed to Nf3.
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
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Seems like it's out now, any reader reactions?
  
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Re: Barsky on Ragozin
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tracke wrote on 06/10/11 at 12:36:26:
New in chess has announced a new book (acc. to amazon)
http://www.amazon.com/Ragozin-Complex-Vladimir-Barsky/dp/9056913700/ref=sr_1_3?i...

The Ragozin Complex   by Vladimir Barsky

272 pages, ISBN-13: 978-9056913700,
€20 / $18.50 , forthcoming december 2011

The Ragozin Complex is a flexible and versatile chess opening system that, despite its popularity,
rarely has been a subject of serious study in chess literature. A hybrid of the Queen’s Gambit and
the Nimzo-Indian Defence, the Ragozin featured in a famous book by Soviet theoretician Lipnitsky
in the 1950s. Bobby Fischer decided to learn Russian to be able to read that work and immediately
afterwards started playing the Ragozin. In recent years the Ragozin has had a tremendous revival
and is now being used at top level by players like Vladimir Kramnik, Levon Aronian and Vasily Ivanchuk.
In this book, the first monograph on this important system, acclaimed chess author Vladimir Barsky
provides a comprehensive coverage of themes and variations, both for Black and for White.
For the first time in history, amateur players can acquaint themselves with the important Ragozin System
and start playing this flexible opening with confidence.


tracke  Smiley


When Lipnitsky started writing a book on the Ragozin, it ended up being a book on positional chess and chess theory in general.  Shocked
  

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New in chess has announced a new book (acc. to amazon)
http://www.amazon.com/Ragozin-Complex-Vladimir-Barsky/dp/9056913700/ref=sr_1_3?i...

The Ragozin Complex   by Vladimir Barsky

272 pages, ISBN-13: 978-9056913700,
€20 / $18.50 , forthcoming december 2011

The Ragozin Complex is a flexible and versatile chess opening system that, despite its popularity,
rarely has been a subject of serious study in chess literature. A hybrid of the Queen’s Gambit and
the Nimzo-Indian Defence, the Ragozin featured in a famous book by Soviet theoretician Lipnitsky
in the 1950s. Bobby Fischer decided to learn Russian to be able to read that work and immediately
afterwards started playing the Ragozin. In recent years the Ragozin has had a tremendous revival
and is now being used at top level by players like Vladimir Kramnik, Levon Aronian and Vasily Ivanchuk.
In this book, the first monograph on this important system, acclaimed chess author Vladimir Barsky
provides a comprehensive coverage of themes and variations, both for Black and for White.
For the first time in history, amateur players can acquaint themselves with the important Ragozin System
and start playing this flexible opening with confidence.


tracke  Smiley
  
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