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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #390 - 07/27/12 at 00:26:20
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ghenghisclown wrote on 07/26/12 at 23:31:10:
Stefan Buecker wrote on 07/26/12 at 22:06:41:
In my view all these main systems are far out of reach of this Forum.


No, they're not. If we can do gazillions of pages on gambits that nobody plays in real life, there's room for anything.


Yes, absolutely agree.
Not really an efficient use of human capital to be spending so much time deciding whether certain variations are either 'inadvisable' or 'rubbish'.
Focus, focus.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #389 - 07/26/12 at 23:31:10
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 07/26/12 at 22:06:41:
In my view all these main systems are far out of reach of this Forum.


No, they're not. If we can do gazillions of pages on gambits that nobody plays in real life, there's room for anything.
  

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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #388 - 07/26/12 at 22:06:41
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Ametanoitos wrote on 07/26/12 at 21:48:10:
I think that is almost all the major main lines Black faces problems today, so it is not difficult to form a practical yet ambitious reperoire. In my opinion, we should first try to propose interesting things in the main lines, starting from the most popular defences and then move on to the side-lines.

Black has problems in the Marshall Gambit? I didn't think so. - Maybe Markovich can propose something. In my view all these main systems are far out of reach of this Forum. Could the Duras System (c2-c4) be an idea?
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #387 - 07/26/12 at 21:48:10
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I think that is almost all the major main lines Black faces problems today, so it is not difficult to form a practical yet ambitious reperoire. In my opinion, we should first try to propose interesting things in the main lines, starting from the most popular defences and then move on to the side-lines.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #386 - 07/26/12 at 14:45:49
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TN wrote on 07/26/12 at 11:05:29:
Fair enough. Regarding 4...Nf6 5.Bxc6 I always thought ...dxc6/...Bd6/...0-0/...Nd7 in some order was completely equal. Also it's one of those positional lines you mentioned.

The Spanish is a more positional opening in most lines so I guess some coverage of such lines is not wholly avoidable. But you've contributed far more to the project than I have so I'm more than happy to follow your proposed direction.

I mentioned 4...Nf6 5.Bxc6 only as an example for quiet play, not as suitable for the repertoire. An ambitious, yet sharp line for White in the main Spanish is hard to find. Perhaps an early d2-d4, in Kurt Richter style. Or 4.Bc4! Tartakower.
  
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Reply #385 - 07/26/12 at 11:05:29
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Fair enough. Regarding 4...Nf6 5.Bxc6 I always thought ...dxc6/...Bd6/...0-0/...Nd7 in some order was completely equal. Also it's one of those positional lines you mentioned.

The Spanish is a more positional opening in most lines so I guess some coverage of such lines is not wholly avoidable. But you've contributed far more to the project than I have so I'm more than happy to follow your proposed direction.
  

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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #384 - 07/26/12 at 08:32:11
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TN wrote on 07/25/12 at 04:51:15:
I propose that we revitalise this project by trying to find an advantage for White in the variation 3...a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.d3. There's no point of knowing how to meet all of Black's sidelines if you are clueless against the main line.

A discussion of quiet, positional lines probably won't produce many good ideas on chesspub. I have worked on 4...Nf6 5.Bxc6 and like White's chances. It is not exactly the mainline, but for most players this could be a valuable part of their repertoire. But I am less interested to discuss such a positional line on chesspub, because I fear that there wouldn't be much feedback. When I give away some of my analysis, I want something back - new ideas, refutations. People like to study sharp openings on their computer. It is just my personal observation, maybe I am wrong, but if you want a whole Spanish repertoire in this thread, I am skeptical how far you can get with main lines which happen daily in GM practice. What's the point, do you want to constantly upgrade it over the next years?

In the thread about the Fyfe Gambit someone wrote:
Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/26/12 at 05:26:12:
While we're analysing dead lines such as this, good players such as Anish Giri are analysing critical lines of the King's Indian and winning impressive games at Biel. The chess world is safe as long as we ignore critical lines in favor of openings such as this.

There is a reason why the King's Indian is less analyzed in Chesspub Forum than the King's Gambit. People own computers and understand that they can't find novelties of value in the King's Indian. You could probably nevertheless create a good thread on this topic, but where do you find the GM who is willing to do it for free? Even then the feedback may be disappointing. Again, I believe that the Forum is great to discuss sharp or controversial ideas. The place to look for subtle positional ideas is the excellent subscriber section.
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #383 - 07/25/12 at 04:51:15
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I propose that we revitalise this project by trying to find an advantage for White in the variation 3...a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.d3. There's no point of knowing how to meet all of Black's sidelines if you are clueless against the main line.
  

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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #382 - 04/30/12 at 14:59:24
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Of course i was kidding about "that's easy". Kotronias in his book suggests at least 2 systems against the "Kramnik" line (or was it 3?. I only know that the g3 line is met by ...Rg8! and the Navara game PANFR mentioned in another thread refuting Kotronias' variation didn't follow actually Kotronias' suggestions). Shirov recommended the Bf4 line (instead of Kotronias' Bg5) and even though his analysis was not top notch i think that i gave 2 games that clearly demonstrate the problems Black may face in this line.
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #381 - 04/30/12 at 14:14:35
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Ametanoitos wrote on 04/25/12 at 12:14:40:
That's easy!


Indeed. 1.d4 and the Wall-Y has been refuted.
BTW I do have the Shirov DVD, and it's the very first time that I've been informed that he has suggested anything at all in it.  Tongue
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #380 - 04/26/12 at 08:24:02
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Ametanoitos wrote on 04/26/12 at 07:25:08:
About this line Kotronias has wrote extensively on his "Battle Manual". Also the line featuring in Kosintseva-Zhao Xue, 2011 and  Baiocchi (2457)-Kharlamov (2487), ICCF 2011 looks promising. I don't have the new CS book though (yet!), so if someone has it he could tell us if the author has a clear solution against this system (which by the way was recommended by Shirov)


I own his Battle Manual, but I'd heard that someone found a major improvement over his analysis a month or two after his book was published which just equalised for Black.
  

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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #379 - 04/26/12 at 07:25:08
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About this line Kotronias has wrote extensively on his "Battle Manual". Also the line featuring in Kosintseva-Zhao Xue, 2011 and  Baiocchi (2457)-Kharlamov (2487), ICCF 2011 looks promising. I don't have the new CS book though (yet!), so if someone has it he could tell us if the author has a clear solution against this system (which by the way was recommended by Shirov)
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #378 - 04/25/12 at 15:11:33
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Ametanoitos wrote on 04/25/12 at 12:14:40:
That's easy!


Please continue, Aronian was on the worse side of a draw against Kramnik just then.
  

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Reply #377 - 04/25/12 at 12:14:40
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That's easy!
  
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Re: Spanish repertoire
Reply #376 - 04/25/12 at 11:39:02
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Let's beat the Wall-Y structure of 3...Nf6 4.0-0 Ne4.  Wink
  

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