In reply to GabrielGale, from reply #9,First, to address your question on section “A”
Okay… let’s make some order here.
Yes the point of these games is to show a thematic Ndb5 ideas however, I think you are confusing a few lines there.
By your questions it seems that you are actually talking about the previous game (page 15, Wojo - Garkov) where black’s queen was on c7.
For the point of “proving” that Nbc5 is playable even without a queen on c7 but with other conditions (obviously) in the game Wojo – Bauer, Ndb5 came only at move 18 after these moves:
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 d6 3. d4 g6 4. g3 Bg7 5. Bg2 O-O 6. O-O Nbd7 7. Nc3 e5 8. e4 c6 9. Rb1 exd4 10. Nxd4 Re8 11. h3 Nc5 12. Re1 a5 13. b3 Nfd7 14. Be3 Nf6?! 15. Qc2 Qe7 16. Rbd1 Bd7 17. Bf4 Rad8 18. Ndb5The point as I see it is to demonstrate the preparation Wojo took in order to allow for such plan.
Anyway, back to our discussion:
[Referenced position:
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 d6 3. d4 g6 4. g3 Bg7 5. Bg2 O-O 6. O-O Nbd7 7. Nc3 e5 8. e4 c6 9. Rb1 exd4 10. Nxd4 Re8 11. h3 Nc5 12. Re1 a5 13. b3 Nfd7 14. Be3 Na6]
15. Ndb5 ?!?!?!?Here there are a few clear points:
• White hasn’t moved his queen yet
• Since white hasn’t moved his queen a Rb1-d1 is not yet possible
• The bishop on e3 has not been moved out of the e1-rook’s way and is still “blocking” its way
• The black queen is not on c7, therefore there is no tempo to be won by 15. Ndb5
In reviewing all these reasons it must be pointed out that these are only positional reasons, there is always the possibility that tactically white will be given enough activity to out weigh the lost material.
Does that make an early Ndb5 sound?
Probably not.
15… cxb5 16. Nxb5 Ndc5 17. Qxd6 Bf8 18. Qxd8 Rxd8 19. Rbd1As one of many idea variations, this one does not, perhaps prove complete refutation but we cannot claim white’s early attempts were any more purposeful than any other positionally-dubious gambit.
For the plan of Ndb5 to work white needs to take preparations to assure that once this move has been played it has both positional and tactical justifications.
And at the very least, sort of like a rule of thumb to remember, he must surely activate his pieces before hand.
My reply to some of the things you’ve said in section “B”
Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough. I’m well aware of their attempts… but!
If you don’t want to go into discussion on the first 18 moves and the whole reason you’re giving it is to prove a point on the 18th move than first of all making any comments before move 18 is first and foremost only misleading, second, waste of paper and third let’s just say I don’t buy it
They could very well give a diagram starting from move 18, making comments on the positions in the form of white: assets / liabilities. Black: assets/liabilities etc and perhaps give a reference like: black lost a tempo by moving the knight away from f6 and then playing it back.
That method will focus the student to the point you are trying to make while giving him the necessary informative knowledge as to the position itself without debatable analysis. This method is seen in Yermolinsky’s ‘Road to chess improvement’.
My point is that you either analyze a game or you don’t, I do believe that this is a case of black and white judgment. Analyzing only what you want disregarding others to the point that you do not even stick to your very own suggestions is quite absurd.
I can’t claim anything of that sort in Avrukh’s 1.d4. the guy is bloody brilliant!! I couldn’t find one single line I could do better and in any line I did think a mistake has been made after careful analysis I came to the conclusion that he is right after all. Every move is analyzed, every idea is covered and every possible computer suggestion is mentioned. It is simply by far a much more serious piece of work.
Again, that being said I really don’t know what I’ll have to say once I’m finished with the book, perhaps the variations are lacking yes, that much is clear. But perhaps the ideas themselves will serve me well. I truly hope so, but either way I expected more from this book as I’m sure anyone expects these days from any chess book.
Regarding Wojo’s score against the KID.
For some reason people keep saying that his score of such and such is a fact!
Who said otherwise?
Did I make a comment saying that I believe the score is a lie?
Hardly! What I said was just the opposite!
People claim this is an almost drawish line with a slight something to white. I simply don’t buy it! I don’t buy the whole rating difference as well. You try to play 90 games againt 2000-2400 players in the Caro-Kann and I promise you your score will not be 80% wins it’ll be 80% draws! I don’t’ care who you are and who you’re playing winning is not something that can be ignored and I certainly don’t believe it’s all because of his strength.
This is perhaps beside the point but perhaps it’ll make my point clearer…
Most people claim that the exchange Slav is one of the most drawish variations in chess. I hardly agree with such claims. IM Lakdawalla has a 94% wins as white in the exchanged Slav!!! Talking about an amazing winning score?? What the heck is that!!??
I took on studying the exchange Slav and my god, it takes a really strong black player to stand the simple and effective positional play white has. It is so thematic and so powerful it’s simply unbelievable.
If you’ll go to the FICS website and look up my own scores you’ll see that my score (on the internet) is too 90%+ and I’ve only been playing it a few months!My point is that if anyone, Wojo or whoever it may be, is indeed winning so much as white in these lines there is bound to be an explanation and a reason. If no one knows what it is it is simply because it hasn’t been understood yet and if the book doesn’t make it clear then the book is a failure because writing about it and not being able to explain it is defeating the objective of the book and…as you have said… one would do just fine with a good database and a nice engine.
I seriously hope that once you go through the whole book you are being given that wisdom. That, for lack of other word – will be awesome
If not, the book is a failure.
I’m a very black and white sort-a-guy as you can see
Cheers!
BTW, “I am not a apologist for the authors but I would like criticism to be fair and constructive.”
I’m definitely with you on that one!