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Re: C37: King's Gambit Accepted: Muzio Gambit
Reply #4 - 10/28/11 at 09:23:40
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@Smyslov_Fan,

I have searched the forum before creating this topic of course, but i could find a little about Muzio, i decided to do this. I am hoping to make people to do deep and fresh analyses here, but of course i am going to make use of old topics too.

And Fritz is a trash engine for now on. I have tested Houdini 2.0 against Rybka 4.1, score was about %70. Clearly winning. And tested with Fritz 13, score was about %90! So i don't advice you to use Fritz anymore. Houdini is the best now.


@micawber and MNb,

I am going to test all of your suggestions by the engine soon, and share the results. Thanks for replies!
« Last Edit: 10/28/11 at 10:37:00 by Ferit Tuncer »  

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Re: C37: King's Gambit Accepted: Muzio Gambit
Reply #3 - 10/28/11 at 07:07:06
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A few remarks to the game presented by MNb
10...c6 is actually a sideline. The main line continues with Nbc6.
10....Nbc6 11.Rae1,Qf5 12.Nd5,Kd8 13.Qe2,Qe6 14.Qf3
is the Lean-attack.
Old theory books now state that Black should repeat moves with 14...Qf5. But actually 14....Qg6! promises Black good winning chances, as pointed out by S.Buecker/H.Smout digging up old analysis by Snosno-Borovski (1911).

That 18....Qg6 was the first new move in Mnb's game might be clarified a bit.
Both 18....Qxf4 and 18...Nxe7 had been analysed by Schlechter in the Bilguer as early as 1916.
Actually 18...Qxf4 leads to a forced draw as well after
19.Nxf4,Nxe7 20.Qg5+,Kh8 21.Nh5,f5 22.Qe3! (Blankenberg-Hannison,2001) when a perpetual is set up with 23.Qd4,Rf7 24.Qd8+ or 22...Rf7 23.Qe8+.

There is also an interesting side variation with
13.Bxd5,cxd5 14.Qh5,Qd6 15.Nb5! unclear (Samisch-Gunther, 1926). Black might have entered this in the game by replying 14.Bxd5,cxd5 (iso 14...0-0). But this also would not have given black any winning chances imo.


  
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Re: C37: King's Gambit Accepted: Muzio Gambit
Reply #2 - 10/28/11 at 03:12:49
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7.d3 has been analysed by FM Bücker in his "Het Nieuwe Koningsgambiet", 1986.

An unknown game, which did not even make it into that nice book:

Edöcs-Glaser
Switzerland 1983

½-½

Now I don't have the time to look up from which magazine exactly I got this game. It's theoretically important though as the draw is forced.
I remember the magazine reporting how both players used a lot of time. I think that quite funny as 18...Qg6 was the first new move.

  

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Re: C37: King's Gambit Accepted: Muzio Gambit
Reply #1 - 10/28/11 at 03:10:22
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Just two things to be aware of:

  • There's already quite a bit of Muzio analysis in the threads on this site, you may want to check those out before seeing whether you're re-inventing the wheel. You can check them out by typing "C37" or Muzio in the search box.
  • The Muzio Gambit doesn't lend itself particularly well to engine analysis. There are quite a few sac lines that the engines just completely misevaluate even in these days. (Perhaps Fritz 13+ will prove this statement wrong, but I doubt it.)
  
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C37: King's Gambit Accepted: Muzio Gambit
10/27/11 at 22:35:40
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I am intending to launch a topic for fresh analyses only about Muzio Gambit(1.e4-e5 2.f4-ef 3.Nf3-g5 4.Bc4). I really like this romantic variation, and whenever i get opportunity, i play it with pleasure.

So, i am going to be the first. Today, i analyzed with engine after 4... g4 5.0-0-gf 6.Qf3-Qf6.

Analysis by Houdini 2.0 Pro x64:


=/+  (-0.64)    Depth: 30/65   02:40:04  70266mN
(Ferit,  28.10.2011)
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