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Re: Killer c3 Sicilian - IM Sam Collins
Reply #18 - 09/26/18 at 01:07:07
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Hi,

I know this thread and DVD are quite a few years old now, but I recently picked up this work for what seemed like a relatively cheap price (like $15 CAD). I was in part prompted by a recent game I had, where after 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 e6, I went for 3 c3. The game continued 3...d5 4 exd5 Qxd5 5 d4 Nf6 6 a3 (which I vaguely recalled was Collins' tip for White, avoiding the line after 6 Be3 with ...Bb4xc3 and ...b6/...Ba6). After 6...Be7 7 Be3, we come to my question.

My opponent "obliged", so to speak, and took on d4, leading to one of the standard main lines of this variation, also reachable via 6 Be3 (I had my chances in that game, but eventually lost). However, there's also the possibility of 7...0-0!? (or some other non-...cxd4 move). Collins discusses this briefly and gives a game of his going 8 Be2, when after 8...cxd4 9 cxd4 etc., he admits that Black has forced White to put his Bishop on e2 instead of d3, but he likes the IQP for White anyways. Fair enough.

But wait, if 8 Be2 is the best White can do there, and the Bishop would rather be on d3 than e2, does that mean 7...0-0!? is simply the more accurate move order for Black? And if White can be move-ordered into sticking his Bishop on e2, does that mean 6 a3 is unnecessary, and that we should just start with 6 Be2.

I notice Collins has switched to 6 Bd3 for his more recent "Simple Repertoire" book. Could this have something to do with it?

Thanks.

  
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Re: Killer c3 Sicilian - IM Sam Collins
Reply #17 - 02/21/12 at 00:17:42
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Guys, I moved the language discussion to chit chat. While it was interesting, lets keep this thread about the Collins DvD
  
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Re: Killer c3 Sicilian - IM Sam Collins
Reply #16 - 01/30/12 at 13:53:39
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Hi all,

Thanks to everybody for the various suggestions and questions relating to Anti-Sicilians. I have covered some of the lines in the January 2012 Chess Pub update, including a detailed look at 1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.cxd4 d6 7.Bc4 dxe5!?, where my previous recommendation of 8.Bxd5!? Qxd5 9.Nc3 only leads to rough equality after 9…Qd6! 10.d5 Nd4 11.Nxd4 exd4 12.Qxd4 e5!. Accordingly I’ve provided some coverage of the endgame after 8.dxe5 and the IQP position arising after 9.Nxe5!?.
I hope to deal with some more of the problem lines in forthcoming updates.

Please do continue to post questions, several of the lines were new to me. As illustrated by Howell – Wang Yue, Hastings 2011/12 (also covered in the January update), there are many lines in the Anti Sicilians which have fallen out of fashion for no particular reason, so it’s always useful when people post a suggestion.

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Re: Killer c3 Sicilian - IM Sam Collins
Reply #15 - 01/14/12 at 23:22:35
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Ender wrote on 01/03/12 at 15:00:24:
This c3 dvd is almost the same as his dvd for chessbase Sad


Indeed. Is it just me or does one get the impression he is intentionally holding back stuff, as it seems highly unlikely that he is unaware that after 8.Bxd5 Qxd5 9.Nc3 Black plays the by now well known 9...Qd6 and not the inferior 9...Qa5 as casually given on his GingerGM DVD. Moreover he labels 7...dxe5 a big mistake!! now that borders on being just down right dishonest in my book.

Will he ever address the critics one wonders.

The wait continues.

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Re: Killer c3 Sicilian - IM Sam Collins
Reply #14 - 01/03/12 at 15:00:24
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This c3 dvd is almost the same as his dvd for chessbase Sad
  

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Re: Killer c3 Sicilian - IM Sam Collins
Reply #13 - 12/08/11 at 22:30:01
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I also think that white gets nothing out of 8.Ne5:
It seems to be the most natural move and also the move a typical c3-Sicilian player wants to play, but having to retreat seems too slow. Taking on c6 is even worse, though, as d4 will become weaker than c6.

A friend of mine had a game which went 8.Nxe5 e6 9.0-0 Bd6! 10.Nf3 0-0 and after a later Ne7 the game felt like a Panov with black being one or two tempi up. Soon white was fighting for equality.

@Paul: I agree with you that if white is looking for an advantage, he should try 8.Bd5: (about de5: I'm not so sure, Nb6 and Ndb4 both look OK for black), but with a specific idea in mind.
This is easier said than done, however...  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Killer c3 Sicilian - IM Sam Collins
Reply #12 - 12/08/11 at 03:44:58
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Sorry Top - was meant to be dxe5


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Re: Killer c3 Sicilian - IM Sam Collins
Reply #11 - 12/07/11 at 23:21:47
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Nutflush wrote on 12/07/11 at 14:33:11:
Markovich wrote on 12/06/11 at 13:06:13:
Highly useful info.  Thank you.

An important crossroads seems to arise after 8.Nxe5 e6 9.0-0 Be7 10.Nxc6 bxc6 11.Nc3 0-0, where many moves have been tried, though none seem to offer White very much.


I agree with TopNotch that 8.Nxe5 is the least well explored move. In DW anti-Sicilians it gets very little coverage (less than the alternatives A and B in the earlier post). In the line above, Wells considers 10.Qf3 to be critical (and hard for Black to equalise against) - he also discusses  the merits of 9. ...Bd6 although this has even less coverage, for which his conclusion is that it is fully satisfactory.

I disagree that Nxe5 is the best move for practical chances - I think that against a well prepared opponent both Bxd5 and exd5 offer more chance of achieving an edge from the opening.

Paul


You lost me a bit there Paul. exd5 in which line?

  

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Re: Killer c3 Sicilian - IM Sam Collins
Reply #10 - 12/07/11 at 14:33:11
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Markovich wrote on 12/06/11 at 13:06:13:
Highly useful info.  Thank you.

An important crossroads seems to arise after 8.Nxe5 e6 9.0-0 Be7 10.Nxc6 bxc6 11.Nc3 0-0, where many moves have been tried, though none seem to offer White very much.


I agree with TopNotch that 8.Nxe5 is the least well explored move. In DW anti-Sicilians it gets very little coverage (less than the alternatives A and B in the earlier post). In the line above, Wells considers 10.Qf3 to be critical (and hard for Black to equalise against) - he also discusses  the merits of 9. ...Bd6 although this has even less coverage, for which his conclusion is that it is fully satisfactory.

I disagree that Nxe5 is the best move for practical chances - I think that against a well prepared opponent both Bxd5 and exd5 offer more chance of achieving an edge from the opening.

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Re: Killer c3 Sicilian - IM Sam Collins
Reply #9 - 12/06/11 at 13:06:13
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Highly useful info.  Thank you.

An important crossroads seems to arise after 8.Nxe5 e6 9.0-0 Be7 10.Nxc6 bxc6 11.Nc3 0-0, where many moves have been tried, though none seem to offer White very much.
  

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Re: Killer c3 Sicilian - IM Sam Collins
Reply #8 - 12/04/11 at 23:21:19
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Well of White's three posibilities I think option C offers the best practical chances:

1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.d4 cd4 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.cxd4 d6 7.Bc4 dxe5!?

A) 8.Bxd5 - Completely over-rated by official theory, primarily on the basis of one game by Kaidanov played in the mid 70's. For a more accurate illustration of this move's effectiveness, see the games Ekstroem, Roland - Gallagher, Joseph [2004] and Rakovic, M -Aguilar, S [2007].

B) 8.dxe5 Ndb4 has been shown to be non challenging.

C) Nxe5 Equal, but not so sterile as to deter either player from trying for the win. 

Collins almost total silence on these lines in his Repertoire Books and DVD's to date is rather suspicious in my opinion. Has he become another Dzinzi.

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Re: Killer c3 Sicilian - IM Sam Collins
Reply #7 - 12/04/11 at 19:50:48
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Nutflush wrote on 12/04/11 at 19:48:59:
Well I prepared soemthing for Yang-Fan at the British this year, but then he played something else...


That should be forbidden  Grin !
  
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Well I prepared soemthing for Yang-Fan at the British this year, but then he played something else...
  
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Re: Killer c3 Sicilian - IM Sam Collins
Reply #5 - 12/04/11 at 19:43:56
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Nutflush wrote on 12/04/11 at 11:48:15:
I'm sure that most people here are aware of it - but there is coverage of this line in the Everyman Dangerous Weapons Anti-sicilians title. I believe that Peter Wells wrote that chapter, but it could have been Richard Palliser ...

I believe I have found a way to a stable edge for White - but established theory and indeed the Sveshnikov mega-tome do not convince for White.

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Re: Killer c3 Sicilian - IM Sam Collins
Reply #4 - 12/04/11 at 13:37:50
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PatzerNoster wrote on 12/04/11 at 12:07:20:
That sounds interesting, so far I haven't found anything against 7. ... de5:

To answer the OP's question: yes, Collins again doesn't give that move its due credit.


That's very disappointing, lets hope he responds here before someone uploads a full review pointing out this continued shortcoming  Wink
  

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