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Re: Can you play for win with QGD (Tartakower etc.)
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saubhikr wrote on 01/15/12 at 07:15:48:
Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 01/15/12 at 05:33:39:
Which lines in the Alatortsev are good to play?

As white or black?


To play for a win as Black, with 3...Be7.
  

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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 01/15/12 at 05:33:39:
Which lines in the Alatortsev are good to play?

As white or black?
  
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Which lines in the Alatortsev are good to play?
  

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Reply #23 - 01/14/12 at 02:06:19
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Agree to this. We cannot expect to win with black and also expect white will not have his chance. It is a two way street after all.
  
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Re: Can you play for win with QGD (Tartakower etc.)
Reply #22 - 01/13/12 at 19:59:24
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 01/11/12 at 23:13:18:
I have heard about the Alatortsev Variation, but then this variation has its own nuances. White can defer playing Nf3 and play some kingside pawn advances with h3 followed by g4 or h4 and g4. I cannot remember exactly, but those lines by themselves might be annoying also.


I would say those variations with g2-g4 and h2-h3 or even h2-h4 in the Alatorzew might be annoying for Black if he's playing for a draw, but not if he wants a fight.  Smiley
  

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Reply #21 - 01/13/12 at 10:32:39
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It should be added that the Meran (White plays e2-e3) is hardly less unbalanced.
  

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Reply #20 - 01/12/12 at 22:18:13
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You want unbalanced, go for the Botvinnik or the Moscow Variations. They are some of the most complex openings in all of chess.

Yes, technically they are often lumped in with the Semi-Slavs, but the ideal move order may well be 1...Nf6, 2...e6, 3...d5 4....c6 Or 1...d5 2...e6 3....c6, both comfortably fitting in with the Orthodox QGD move order.
  
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Re: Can you play for win with QGD (Tartakower etc.)
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I have heard about the Alatortsev Variation, but then this variation has its own nuances. White can defer playing Nf3 and play some kingside pawn advances with h3 followed by g4 or h4 and g4. I cannot remember exactly, but those lines by themselves might be annoying also.
  

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Re: Can you play for win with QGD (Tartakower etc.)
Reply #18 - 01/11/12 at 22:20:21
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The Alatortsev Variation (with 4.cd5) is somewhat more unbalanced. The con is that you have to allow the Blackburne (4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bf4), but I don't think this opening is as drawish as recent GM games would suggest.
  

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Re: Can you play for win with QGD (Tartakower etc.)
Reply #17 - 01/11/12 at 21:45:12
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The only variation that I find annoying is against the Exchange Variation. It seems slightly more difficult to win with than other QGD variations.
  

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Reply #16 - 01/11/12 at 19:30:45
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What? The size of the theory is pretty heavy.


Aside that you maybe missed the word "not so" it was not only my idea. I considered to buy a book and saw in the intro the following statement by a respected author.  Wink

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In fact Kasparov stated something to the effect that the Sicilian and King’s Indian were too much to keep up with at the level he was playing at, and so he stuck
with the Sicilian while heading for more solid systems in the closed openings.
  
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Re: Can you play for win with QGD (Tartakower etc.)
Reply #15 - 01/11/12 at 19:18:22
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At the end of the day my defences are Nimzo/Ragozin. I considered many other variations but this choice is for me the best.

As Black player you have influence on the shape of the center and that is the most important point for me.
The Ragozin is an essential part because the Queens Indian is to quiet for Black and i do not believe you can build a sound repertoire on "provocative" and "surprising" moves in these types of positions.

my second choice would be the Kings Indian.

I myself prefer as Black a position which is complex (and the "margin of error" high) but is maybe at the moment +=  over equal positions which is forced draw or offers no winning chances without massive help by your opponent (like in the QGA - Furman or Exchange).

BTW. In one of my books i have read a commentar by Tal in one of his games as White in the QGD: "I can not understand why White should lose in the Queens Gambit".
  
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Re: Can you play for win with QGD (Tartakower etc.)
Reply #14 - 01/11/12 at 19:12:23
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Has anyone really seen anyone purposefully go for a theoretical draw with white? I don't think I can remember seeing it.

Its just not a practical problem. A little bit more so that if there are obvious ones that they can fall into accidentally.
  
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Re: Can you play for win with QGD (Tartakower etc.)
Reply #13 - 01/11/12 at 19:00:57
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Tullius wrote on 01/11/12 at 12:50:45:
[quote]More opponents will take chances and the size of the theory in the QGD is not so heavy like in more aggressive openings.


What? The size of the theory is pretty heavy. There are many plans to choose from, but it is just not as forcing as some other openings like the Botvinnik.
  
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Re: Can you play for win with QGD (Tartakower etc.)
Reply #12 - 01/11/12 at 17:41:17
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And the recommended opening is ......?
  
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