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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #63 - 02/06/13 at 10:50:04
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Some rather stronger folk than that taking on the Keres in recent times....

The Nc6/e6/d6 stuff is a fully playable move order and certainly gives some extra options vs 6 g4.

Being commited to the full theory after 6 Bc4 isn't trivial - with black commited to Nc6 its dangerous - and there's also a commitment to Nc6 vs 6 Be3.

A matter of taste really Smiley (and non trivial earlier discussion if you search here.).
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #62 - 02/06/13 at 10:34:02
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By the way. Can one avoid the Keres attack by 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cd 4.Nd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 d6?

I see only one real problem, Karpov's  6.g4 (this is rare is practice). Is this really SO much better for white, that it should be avoided?

And 6.Bc4. This is not a big THEORETICAL problem really, but the nice -Na6-c5 idea cannot be used now.

P.S. Is the normal Keres attack (1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cd 4.Nd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.g4) really SO dangerous, that a 2100-player like me should avoid it at all cost? I don't really think so. I and most of my opponents play too bad chess for the ABSOLUTE theoretical status (= or +=) being important.  Perhaps the situation becomes different after someone reaching 2300-2400.
  

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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #61 - 09/22/12 at 15:31:00
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Well, there are books by Emms and by Pritchett that have been published within the last ten years. There's also the work by Khalifman in OFWAA 13. If I'm going to buy a book, I don't care so much whether it's up-to-date, but whether the analysis and ideas presented will stand up to scrutiny.
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #60 - 09/22/12 at 13:59:34
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 09/22/12 at 04:25:41:
So, to sum up,

Is this the best book on Scheveningen available in English right now?

I do play 2...e6. In fact, I'm furious that a good book on the Sicilian covers my move order to reach the Scheveningen.!
Smiley


Yes, it's the best book on the Scheveningen in English right now! Then again, I think it's the only book on the Scheveningen right now. Tongue But it is a very good book. I agree 2...e6 is a very nice move order.
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #59 - 09/22/12 at 04:25:41
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So, to sum up,

Is this the best book on Scheveningen available in English right now?

I do play 2...e6. In fact, I'm furious that a good book on the Sicilian covers my move order to reach the Scheveningen.!
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #58 - 09/21/12 at 10:18:13
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You seemed to be talking about one move Smiley If it was a concrete variation as in the computer spying some concrete tactics refuting a suggested main line it'd obviously be rather more serious.

If its 'just' a subtly different piece set up that the computers algorithm seems to slightly prefer a priori with nothing concrete to back it up then it really isn't.
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #57 - 09/21/12 at 07:29:52
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ErictheRed wrote on 09/20/12 at 16:23:06:
BobbyDigital80 wrote on 09/20/12 at 05:15:12:
ErictheRed wrote on 09/19/12 at 15:24:18:
BobbyDigital80 wrote on 09/19/12 at 04:39:46:
kylemeister wrote on 09/19/12 at 03:40:06:
Maybe you should say, "Hey Houdini, how do you think this compares to that Ponomariov game?".


The Ponomariov game is a different line. In the line I gave White doesn't play Rg3.


Wow, Kylemeister's comment really flew right over your head, huh Bobby?


Not really. In a sharp opening every tempo counts, so if Houdini prefers Nxc6 and Qf3 right away instead of Rg3, then there's a difference, and the tempo can be used for something more useful.


No, I think you missed his point (which I agree with), which was more philosophical and less "chessical."  But it doesn't matter.


Okay, but what's philosophical about a specific variation in a sharp opening? I was talking about a concrete variation.
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #56 - 09/20/12 at 16:23:06
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BobbyDigital80 wrote on 09/20/12 at 05:15:12:
ErictheRed wrote on 09/19/12 at 15:24:18:
BobbyDigital80 wrote on 09/19/12 at 04:39:46:
kylemeister wrote on 09/19/12 at 03:40:06:
Maybe you should say, "Hey Houdini, how do you think this compares to that Ponomariov game?".


The Ponomariov game is a different line. In the line I gave White doesn't play Rg3.


Wow, Kylemeister's comment really flew right over your head, huh Bobby?


Not really. In a sharp opening every tempo counts, so if Houdini prefers Nxc6 and Qf3 right away instead of Rg3, then there's a difference, and the tempo can be used for something more useful.


No, I think you missed his point (which I agree with), which was more philosophical and less "chessical."  But it doesn't matter.
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #55 - 09/20/12 at 09:52:03
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This really isn't a terribly sharp position anymore - black goes Ng8 quite a bit for instance! - and moreover it's one which has been studied in GM practice for quite a long time.

As such their accumulated wisdom is much more likely to trump mild computer preferences.

Not that I'd claim this book to automatically personify all of that Smiley Some of it I'm sure, but it's not meant as a thorough survey. A good database search/study will show you what tends to work for both sides here.
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #54 - 09/20/12 at 05:15:12
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ErictheRed wrote on 09/19/12 at 15:24:18:
BobbyDigital80 wrote on 09/19/12 at 04:39:46:
kylemeister wrote on 09/19/12 at 03:40:06:
Maybe you should say, "Hey Houdini, how do you think this compares to that Ponomariov game?".


The Ponomariov game is a different line. In the line I gave White doesn't play Rg3.


Wow, Kylemeister's comment really flew right over your head, huh Bobby?


Not really. In a sharp opening every tempo counts, so if Houdini prefers Nxc6 and Qf3 right away instead of Rg3, then there's a difference, and the tempo can be used for something more useful.
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #53 - 09/19/12 at 19:29:57
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To be fair white probably does have a small plus in that position.

Although if you're going to stop using openings because white has a small advantage in the critical lines after 12 moves you're really going to struggle Smiley
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #52 - 09/19/12 at 15:24:18
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BobbyDigital80 wrote on 09/19/12 at 04:39:46:
kylemeister wrote on 09/19/12 at 03:40:06:
Maybe you should say, "Hey Houdini, how do you think this compares to that Ponomariov game?".


The Ponomariov game is a different line. In the line I gave White doesn't play Rg3.


Wow, Kylemeister's comment really flew right over your head, huh Bobby?
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #51 - 09/19/12 at 09:50:10
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I like this book. Its a repertoire book. He recommends classical scheveningen (with -a6). He starts the book with a chapter on Kasparov playing the opening. He recommends h6 against Keres attack (although I prefer Nc6 which Kasparov and Nikitin gives an '!' in their book).
He explains strategy and ideas well in the book. Its easy to navigate in the book and find what you want.
Scheveningen is a fantastic sicilian opening to study and play. For me its the "metropol" of all sicilians. Not so extremely theoretical as the Najdorf. A better practical choice where the slightest mistake wont cost you the game. And aslo against the anti-sicilians you have more options if you play 2...e6. (avoiding sicilian Moscow and get other options against the Closed sicilian and Grand Prix).

I give the book  Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley out of 5
  

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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #50 - 09/19/12 at 09:26:00
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What is the people's opinion on the book, for those who have it?
  
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Re: Sicilian Scheveningen move by move boook
Reply #49 - 09/19/12 at 09:01:46
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BobbyDigital80 wrote on 09/19/12 at 01:38:14:
According to Houdini 2.0c, White gets a plus after 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. g4 h6 7. h4 Nc6 8. Rg1 h5 9. gxh5 Nxh5 10. Bg5 Nf6 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. Qf3 +=.


In my humble experience an engine verdict after 12 moves (aside from sharp lines with a very early crisis) is completely irrelevant.
  
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