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Re: Good Resource for 6.Be2 in Najdorf?
Reply #9 - 04/03/12 at 15:52:58
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brabo wrote on 04/03/12 at 07:56:31:
I am following the terminology of Kasparov.

At least you don't follow Pachman here. He called only 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd4 4.Nd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Be2 e6 the Scheveningen.
  

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Re: Good Resource for 6.Be2 in Najdorf?
Reply #8 - 04/03/12 at 11:42:13
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You only get to decide the Scheveningen move order if you can pronbounce it correctly Tongue
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e6 has been the Scheveningen for decades (black's 2 and 5 can be reversed of course), plus its many transpositions to it.

On the subject though, that Taylor book looks interesting, I have been looking for a Be2 book for a while now and this may be a good one.
  

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Re: Good Resource for 6.Be2 in Najdorf?
Reply #7 - 04/03/12 at 09:31:35
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brabo wrote on 04/03/12 at 07:56:31:
TN wrote on 04/02/12 at 23:19:05:
The starting position of the Scheveningen is 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd4 4.Nd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e6 so yes that is the move order I was assuming. Thanks for the blog link!

I am following the terminology of Kasparov. He calls only 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd4 4.Nd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be2 e6 the Scheveningen. A similar discussion happened around the Schliemanngambit and the Jeanischgambit on my blog. There exists no official instance with authority which defines the official terminology so all names are possible. If we keep on understanding each other then there is no problem. I believe for experienced players, this is minor thing but I can understand for beginning players that it can be very confusing.


That's strange, most of the sources I've read show the starting position to occur after 5...e6. For what it's worth Wikipedia considers the starting position of the Scheveningen to be the position after 5...e6 (from chessgames.com).
  

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Re: Good Resource for 6.Be2 in Najdorf?
Reply #6 - 04/03/12 at 07:56:31
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TN wrote on 04/02/12 at 23:19:05:
The starting position of the Scheveningen is 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd4 4.Nd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e6 so yes that is the move order I was assuming. Thanks for the blog link!

I am following the terminology of Kasparov. He calls only 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd4 4.Nd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be2 e6 the Scheveningen. A similar discussion happened around the Schliemanngambit and the Jeanischgambit on my blog. There exists no official instance with authority which defines the official terminology so all names are possible. If we keep on understanding each other then there is no problem. I believe for experienced players, this is minor thing but I can understand for beginning players that it can be very confusing.
  
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Re: Good Resource for 6.Be2 in Najdorf?
Reply #5 - 04/02/12 at 23:27:42
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I think most of the Sicilian repertoire books for White in the past few years usually have recommended the English Attack or 6. Bg5 against the Najdorf, so I do not know of any repertoire book previous to this that has 6. Be2 for White. If you have the old book The Complete Najdorf, it should cover 6. Be2, but it is not a repertoire book.
  

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Re: Good Resource for 6.Be2 in Najdorf?
Reply #4 - 04/02/12 at 23:19:05
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brabo wrote on 04/02/12 at 15:43:49:
TN wrote on 04/02/12 at 12:58:57:
In the Scheveningen 6...Nc6 7.Be3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.f4 e5 is a clean equaliser, though I'd be very happy if you proved me wrong since this is the main reason I don't play Be2 more often as White.


You can't play Be7 with the pawn still on e7 as it is after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be2
I assume you mean the Neo-Scheveningen which can be reached via several move-orders:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e6 6.Be2 Nc6 7.Be3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.f4 e5 or
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Be2 Nc6 7.Be3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.f4 e5 or
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Be2 Nf6 7.Be3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.f4 e5 or
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 e6 6.Be2 Nf6 7.Be3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.f4 e5 or
...
I agree that for this position white can't find an advantage as was explained in my blog (in Dutch unfortunately) see: http://schaken-brabo.blogspot.com/2012/03/de-neo-scheveningen.html


The starting position of the Scheveningen is 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd4 4.Nd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e6 so yes that is the move order I was assuming. Thanks for the blog link!
  

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Re: Good Resource for 6.Be2 in Najdorf?
Reply #3 - 04/02/12 at 15:43:49
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TN wrote on 04/02/12 at 12:58:57:
In the Scheveningen 6...Nc6 7.Be3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.f4 e5 is a clean equaliser, though I'd be very happy if you proved me wrong since this is the main reason I don't play Be2 more often as White.


You can't play Be7 with the pawn still on e7 as it is after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be2
I assume you mean the Neo-Scheveningen which can be reached via several move-orders:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e6 6.Be2 Nc6 7.Be3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.f4 e5 or
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Be2 Nc6 7.Be3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.f4 e5 or
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Be2 Nf6 7.Be3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.f4 e5 or
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 e6 6.Be2 Nf6 7.Be3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.f4 e5 or
...
I agree that for this position white can't find an advantage as was explained in my blog (in Dutch unfortunately) see: http://schaken-brabo.blogspot.com/2012/03/de-neo-scheveningen.html
  
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Re: Good Resource for 6.Be2 in Najdorf?
Reply #2 - 04/02/12 at 13:05:31
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Brilliant!
Appreciate the guidance.
  
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Re: Good Resource for 6.Be2 in Najdorf?
Reply #1 - 04/02/12 at 12:58:57
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It's hard to say. Taylor's books vary a lot in quality, from very good to seriously flawed, but Yearbook surveys/ChessPublishing subscription might be your best bet.

As an aside, in the 6.Be2 Najdorf the critical lines from White's perspective are probably 6...e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.Bg5 Be6 9.Bf6 Bf6 10.Qd3 (very hard for Black to get real winning chances without taking large risks) and 6...e6 7.0-0 Be7 8.f4 Qc7 9.Be3 Nc6 10.Kh1 0-0 11.Qe1 Bd7 12.Qg3. In the Scheveningen 6...Nc6 7.Be3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.f4 e5 is a clean equaliser, though I'd be very happy if you proved me wrong since this is the main reason I don't play Be2 more often as White. Against the Dragon you should have something in mind against the Dragadorf setup as well as the ...Nc6 lines (I'm not sure what line you're intending but I'd be inclined to recommend the 0-0/Re1/Bf1/Nb3 setup), and against the Classical 6.Be2 e5 is basically a good version of the Najdorf for Black, though White isn't worse of course.

Be2 works quite well against the Four Knights since 6...Bb4 7.0-0 is actually quite a dangerous gambit, and you don't have to worry about 6...d6! since that's in your repertoire and probably not in your opponent's. Against the Taimanov both the main line of Be2/Be3/0-0/Na4 and Be2/Be3/a3 are good options. I recall reading a post on this forum recently claiming equality for Black but I'm sure that's not the last word, and the latter line was covered well in Dangerous Weapons: The Sicilian. I'm not convinced by the Be2 setup against the Kan though it's very much playable. Against the Sveshnikov, the old 9.Nd5 Be7 10.Bf6 Bf6 11.c3 variation (e.g. with 11...0-0 12.Nc2 Bg5 13.Be2) is probably most in the spirit of the other Be2 Sicilians.

Hope this helps.
  

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Good Resource for 6.Be2 in Najdorf?
04/02/12 at 12:23:55
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Hello!
I am aware that the new Slay the Sicilian! by Taylor covers this but could anyone please point me in the direction of any other good resources for this line from White's point of view.
There are many books on the Najdorf but most cover it from Black's side.
My ELO is 2050
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