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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #21 - 12/18/12 at 03:26:35
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dom wrote on 12/17/12 at 21:57:50:
1.e4 e6 2.b3 d5 3.Bb2 dxe4 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.f3 exf3 6.Nxf3 Bd6!? is one good system.


Agreed, Dom. 6...Nc6 and 6...Bd6 have much in common and frequently transpose. If there's a definitive answer, it's behind one of those doors.
  

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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #20 - 12/17/12 at 21:57:50
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1.e4 e6 2.b3 d5 3.Bb2 dxe4 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.f3 exf3 6.Nxf3 Bd6!? is one good system.

Black covers the good e5 and f4 squares...and can engineer an early a5 (which seems thematic vs White queenside fianchetto). The bishop covers also the d file which is useful for some lines.

7.Qe2 oo 8.ooo a5 9.g4 Nc6! (the good move in many positions where White has queen on e2 and plays g4) 10.g5 Nd5 11.Qe4 Nxc3 12.dxc3 a4 13.c4 axb3 14.axb3 Nb4 15.c5?? Bf4+ 16.Qxf4 Na2+ 17.Kb1 Qxd1 18.Bc1 -+

There are many tactical blows for Black....with idea of opening a-file on king "side" when c3 knight moves or is exchanged


  

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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #19 - 12/16/12 at 23:30:55
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Challenge accepted!

First, let me start off by saying that I wholeheartedly agree with TalJechin's assessment that 6...c5 is too passive because it limits the scope of the dark square bishop. I think the easiest way to prove the point is to look at an alternative approach where the bishop plays an active role in what I believe may be black's ideal setup.

1. e4 e6 2. b3 d5 3. Bb2 dxe4 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. f3 exf3 6. Nxf3 Nc6 7. Qe2 Bd6 8. O-O-O Qe7! A key move and one of very few that leads to early counterplay. Black intends to initiate operations on the queenside with a plan that revolves around attacking the bunkered b2 bishop and castling long.

White has a half dozen moves to choose from but none of them inspire much confidence. Best might be 9. Kb1 Bd7 and then either 10. h3 O-O-O 11. g4 or 10. d4 Ba3 11. Ne4 O-O-O. Either way, the attack loses momentum quickly after black castles queenside. At that point it's doubtful that white has enough compensation to justify the pawn sacrifice.

If I knew going in that black would play 6...c5 I'd play launch into this gambit with gusto. The resulting positions are very attractive and full of opportunity.
  

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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #18 - 10/29/12 at 06:40:24
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TN wrote on 10/29/12 at 00:09:25:
Gambit wrote on 10/28/12 at 17:55:48:
You seem to forget that this seems like a position out of the Euwe Defense to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit.
How about playing 5 Bd3?


Do you mean after 1.e4 e6 2.b3 d5 3.Bb2 de4 4.f3 e3?


+1: BGD positions (Euwe sub-variations included ) seem far different from those of FRG, if you dismiss the gambit of the e4 pawn
  

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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #17 - 10/29/12 at 00:09:25
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Gambit wrote on 10/28/12 at 17:55:48:
You seem to forget that this seems like a position out of the Euwe Defense to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit.
How about playing 5 Bd3?


Do you mean after 1.e4 e6 2.b3 d5 3.Bb2 de4 4.f3 e3?
  

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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #16 - 10/28/12 at 17:55:48
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You seem to forget that this seems like a position out of the Euwe Defense to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit.
How about playing 5 Bd3?
  
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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #15 - 09/17/12 at 18:58:55
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I own the book and have played the gambit myself extensively and successfully (8,5/11 in OTB games).
I have played both 5.d3 and 5.f3 and I have to say that for me 5.f3 works better.
I guess it's just that the position is much easier to play than after 5.d3 and mistakes have much more drastic consequences for black.
@talfan: I would take white any day in Papaioannou-Gurevich after 5.f3 Bd6 6.fe4:

During the last years I had phases of falling in and out of love with the Reti gambit; didn't play it for the last 1,5 years. But this 5.f3!? idea after 4. ... Nf6 sounds very interesting, might bring me back  Wink
Has anybody had some practical experience with it? I think I will try it on ICC.
  
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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #14 - 09/17/12 at 07:46:12
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Yes you're right. 5.d3 seems better. But after 5... exd3 it seems that black is equal at least, notwithstanding the uglinesss of 4... f5


The way I see it, is that after 5...exd3 6.Bxd3, a player who chooses 2.b3!? pretty much has gotten what he wanted. Who`s better or not after these six moves I`m not to judge.

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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #13 - 09/17/12 at 02:09:54
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Benoniac wrote on 09/16/12 at 20:34:22:
talfan wrote on 09/16/12 at 19:41:09:
I don't know, why nobody discuss 1.e4 e6 2.b3 d5 3.Bb2 dxe4 4.Nc3 f5 which seems so much better than 4... Nf6, and if 5. f3 Bd6 is very good for black.


Well 4...f5 looks ugly. But it might be underestimated, for sure. Johansson says so in his book aboubt the subject; "The fascinating Retì Gambit". However he suggest 5.d3! instead of 5.f3.

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Yes you're right. 5.d3 seems better. But after 5... exd3 it seems that black is equal at least, notwithstanding the uglinesss of 4... f5
  

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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #12 - 09/16/12 at 20:34:22
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talfan wrote on 09/16/12 at 19:41:09:
I don't know, why nobody discuss 1.e4 e6 2.b3 d5 3.Bb2 dxe4 4.Nc3 f5 which seems so much better than 4... Nf6, and if 5. f3 Bd6 is very good for black.


Well 4...f5 looks ugly. But it might be underestimated, for sure. Johansson says so in his book aboubt the subject; "The fascinating Retì Gambit". However he suggest 5.d3! instead of 5.f3.

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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #11 - 09/16/12 at 19:41:09
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I don't know, why nobody discuss 1.e4 e6 2.b3 d5 3.Bb2 dxe4 4.Nc3 f5 which seems so much better than 4... Nf6, and if 5. f3 Bd6 is very good for black.
  

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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #10 - 07/15/12 at 11:12:31
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The sac line is awesome but of course Ng4 is crazy. 7...0-0 instead followed by Nc6 is good. And if 5.Qe2 I will play Nc6.
  
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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #9 - 07/15/12 at 11:11:36
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By the way, the thought struck me that 4.f3!? might be a more restrictive move order. With Bb2 unblocked the pressure on g7 and the control over the d4-square both limit Black a bit.

The only downside I see, is that Black could try the annoying 4...e3, (which is not even in the engine's top five). However, surprisingly 5.Qe2!? might give White the kind of position he wants after all!?

For example: 5...exd2+ 6.Nxd2 Nf6 7.0-0-0 Nbd7 8.g4 Bb4 9.g5 Nd5 10.Ne4 with ideas of c4 and h4 - it's looks rather unorthodox but if it works, it works!? Smiley

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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #8 - 07/15/12 at 09:18:13
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Tanaha wrote on 07/14/12 at 21:27:20:
Just two days ago my opponent played this in a blitz game. My reflex was this 5...ef3 6.Nf3 c5 idea. But now after a few minutes of analysis my move is going to be 5...Bc5 6.Qe2 Nc6 7.Nxe4 Nxe4 8.fxe4 e5. I like black here.


I admit that I haven't really considered 5...Bc5, so it's good you mentioned it!

One solution for White could be 6.fxe4 6...Nc6 7.Bb5 Bd7 8.Nf3 seems alright to me.

More interesting complications results from 6...e5 7.Nf3 Ng4!? 8.Bc4!? If the following amazing sac stands up to closer scrutiny then 5.f3 may soon be the new mainline! Smiley

i.e: 8...Nf2 9.Bxf7+!

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9...Kf8 (9...Kxf7 10.Nxe5+) 10.Qe2 Nxh1 11.0-0-0 Nf2 12.Rf1 Kxf7 13.Nxe5+ Ke8 14.Qb5+ and it seems that White has more than enough for the rook!

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Another perhaps obvious point that still may be worth mentioning, is that if Black wants to avoid the issue with 5.f3 Bc5 he may also need to consider his options vs the ML move order 5.Qe2 and then 6.f3 or 6.0-0-0 and then 7.f3.
If I remember correctly, I mentioned the f3 idea vs some 5th moves in the FRG, but even there it's so rare that the surface has barely been scratched...
  
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Re: C00: A new idea in the Reti Gambit Accepted!
Reply #7 - 07/14/12 at 21:27:20
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Just two days ago my opponent played this in a blitz game. My reflex was this 5...ef3 6.Nf3 c5 idea. But now after a few minutes of analysis my move is going to be 5...Bc5 6.Qe2 Nc6 7.Nxe4 Nxe4 8.fxe4 e5. I like black here.
  
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