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Re: Current status of Morris gambit
Reply #12 - 03/30/17 at 13:34:41
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The Agile London System calls it the Morris Gambit - maybe that's where it comes from; probably a simple error.
  

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Re: Current status of Morris gambit
Reply #11 - 03/29/17 at 10:28:11
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MNb wrote on 03/22/17 at 01:42:38:
1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 c5 3.e4 Nc6 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.Nc3 Qxd4 6.Nd5 e5


Eric Prié liked this a lot for Black, I seem to remember.
  
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Re: Current status of Morris gambit
Reply #10 - 03/26/17 at 17:40:23
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 03/22/17 at 19:00:20:
I also note that 6.Be3 gives away the extra tempo to reach a book colors-reversed Albin.

Nice.
I'd probably meet 1d4 d5 2.Bf4 c5 3.e4 e6 with the simple 4.exd5 as exd5 seems a pretty good version of the French Exchange to me.
Now only meeting 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 Nf6 3.e3 c5 and 4...Nc6 ....
  

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Re: Current status of Morris gambit
Reply #9 - 03/22/17 at 19:00:20
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@MNb
Em. Lasker also recommended 3...Nc6, in the notes to Vidmar - Perlis, St. Petersburg 1909. He calls the opening "Albin's Counter Gambit for the first player".
(I can't post a link, but google d4 d5 Bf4 c5 e4 in books and look for The International Chess Congress, St Petersburg, 1909).
In your line after 6.Nd5, I don't understand "or Bd7". I also note that 6.Be3 gives away the extra tempo to reach a book colors-reversed Albin.

@ako - The problem with cryptic evaluations of equality on move 3 is that there is still a whole chess game to play. Far better to have a scheme of development that at least gets to the early middlegame before trying to claim equality for black. I am not 100% sure of my own suggestion 3...e6!?, except to note that in the Marshall Gambit 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 c5 4.exd5 exd5, 5.Bf4 is not the feared move.
  
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Re: Current status of Morris gambit
Reply #8 - 03/22/17 at 01:42:38
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Unfortunately, when compared to the Albin's, there is one variation in which Bf4 is a con instead of a pro.

1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 c5 3.e4 Nc6 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.Nc3 Qxd4 6.Nd5 e5 or Bd7.
  

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Re: Current status of Morris gambit
Reply #7 - 03/21/17 at 06:06:05
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saubhikr wrote on 07/15/12 at 07:03:55:
Following Lakhdawala's suggestion, planning to give Morris gambit a try. Can you please let us know what is the current status of the same?

1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 c5 3.e4


There is no "current status" for such a marginal line. Just status Wink

My status is  3.-e6 =
  

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Re: Current status of Morris gambit
Reply #6 - 03/20/17 at 23:51:55
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3...dxe4 4 d5
  
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Re: Current status of Morris gambit
Reply #5 - 03/20/17 at 23:37:38
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 03/20/17 at 21:47:42:
1. As white I used to play for this trap on occasion. Then one night in a league match my opponent actually fell into it in a big way: 4...e6? 5.Bb5+, etc.


What was Black's 3rd move and White's 4th move?
  
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Re: Current status of Morris gambit
Reply #4 - 03/20/17 at 23:06:09
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 03/20/17 at 21:47:42:
3. Why is this being called the "Morris Gambit"? In Horowitz's New Traps in the Chess Opening (1964) he called 3.e4 the "Norris Gambit". Any ideas who Morris or Norris might have been?


I wondered that too, since Norris Gambit is the name I recalled, quite possibly from that Horowitz trap book.  Oddly enough his big opening book of the same year (Chess Openings: Theory and Practice) had nothing to say about 1. d4 d5 2. Bf4.

I see that Norris Gambit was also used in Chess Review in 1961 and by Fine in his 1948 book Practical Chess Openings.

  
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Re: Current status of Morris gambit
Reply #3 - 03/20/17 at 21:47:42
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1. As white I used to play for this trap on occasion. Then one night in a league match my opponent actually fell into it in a big way: 4...e6? 5.Bb5+, etc. Clearly winning for me, except, I only drew. Ugh, what a nightmare. I don't have the heart to dig up the game score and present it here. I almost wanted to give up chess, but I compromised and gave up the opening.

2. Years later when I took up the Tarrasch Defense, I wanted to make 2...c5 work for black. My solution was 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 c5 3.e4 e6!?. I think the best white can do here is give black an isolated pawn. But in this French-like IQP structure the Bf4 is simply misplaced. Not to mention mistimed.

3. Why is this being called the "Morris Gambit"? In Horowitz's New Traps in the Chess Opening (1964) he called 3.e4 the "Norris Gambit". Any ideas who Morris or Norris might have been?
  
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Re: Current status of Morris gambit
Reply #2 - 07/15/12 at 21:14:54
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saubhikr wrote on 07/15/12 at 07:03:55:
Can you please let us know what is the current status of the same?

I seem to remember Eric covered this really well a few years ago - try checking the London eBook. Wink
  
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Re: Current status of Morris gambit
Reply #1 - 07/15/12 at 14:09:26
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saubhikr wrote on 07/15/12 at 07:03:55:
Following Lakhdawala's suggestion, planning to give Morris gambit a try. Can you please let us know what is the current status of the same?

1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 c5 3.e4


You may like to get the ball rolling. Ideas? Your experiences? Input?

Some may look askance at such a 'tell me from move 3 what is happening' query.


  
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Current status of Morris gambit
07/15/12 at 07:03:55
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Following Lakhdawala's suggestion, planning to give Morris gambit a try. Can you please let us know what is the current status of the same?

1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 c5 3.e4
  
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