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Re: Lakdawala modern
Reply #35 - 11/24/16 at 12:35:47
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In The Modern Tiger, the following 5th move is recommended for black: 1. e4 g6 2. d4 Lg7 3. Sc3 d6 4. Le3 a6 5.Dd2 b5. He uses quite a bit of time explaining why he now prefers this to Sd7. It is really an excellent book! I'm reading the entire book with over 100 games and loads of analysis and it is very entertaining and he has really good explanations for a lot of the strategy. I immensely enjoy his treatment of the Averbakh variation.
  
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Reply #34 - 07/21/16 at 14:43:07
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"Bump" -- anyone got any thoughts? I was hoping Carlsen's recent defeat of Wei Yi (or Why-aye, as we say here in the North-East) might have inspired some new enthusiasm for the Modern ...
  
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Re: Lakdawala modern
Reply #33 - 06/30/16 at 11:26:50
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Glenn Snow wrote:
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I did find [lines after 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Be3 a6 where White plays h2-h4 without an early f2-f3] analyzed ... starting on page 47 where he gives 9...e6!, a move not mentioned by Tiger.


Is this the line 5 Qd2 Nd7 6 h4 h5 7 Nh3 b5 8 Ng5 Bb7 9 0-0-0 (given '!' by Tiger's 1st edition) e6 10 f3 Ngf6, as in Dunis-Sulava? -- a line also reachable via other move orders including, here, 8 f3 Bb7 9 Ng5 Ngf6 10 0-0-0 e6!? (played here, I presume, on the basis that Tiger's original 9 ...0-0 doesn't work because of 10 g4!).

Can anyone tell me, is it still thought that after 4 Be3 a6 the lines with h2-h4 and not f2-f3 represent the biggest danger to Black, and if so is there any consensus on what's best for each side? After 5 Qd2 Nd7 6 h4 h5 7 Nh3 b5, as well as Dunis-Sulava there's also: (1) 8 Ng5 Bb7 9 a4 c6 10 f3 Ngf6 11 Be2 0-0 12 0-0 Qc7 (the ancient game Ciocaltea-Andersson!); (2) 8 Ng5 Bb7 9 0-0-0 e6 10 f4!? Nh6 11 Bd3 Nf6 (Crosa-Peralta); and (3) 8 0-0-0 Bb7 9 f3!? Rc8 10 Ng5 c5 11 e5 cd 12 e6 fe 13 Bd4 e5 14 Be3 Qa5 (Iriarte-Ott), which looks wild and perhaps dangerous. In all these lines, there are the usual mind-boggling transpositions that you need a flow-chart to get to grips with!

Also, is 6 h4 h6 still(?) under a cloud? I'm wondering about, for example, 7 0-0-0 b5 8 f4 b4!? 9 Nce2 Ngf6 10 Ng3 Ng4!?, followed by ...c5.

  
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Re: Lakdawala modern
Reply #32 - 03/07/13 at 16:06:31
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Bibs wrote on 03/07/13 at 12:38:52:

Half remember that this might have some ideas:
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/modern-Defence-Hort-Vlastimil-Press/1638833557/bd
but that is a distant memory, don't have here to check. Kylemeister is the historian. K?


Can't recall about that one; on the history front I think of Soltis advocating the Gurgenidze 20 years ago ("Black to play and win with 1...g6").  And maybe David Norwood's Modern book had some Gurg-related stuff?

Incidentally, thinking about this reminds me of a basic issue from way back re Fischer-Petrosian as to whether g3 is needed to stop ...h4; Keene and Botterill in their Modern book thought (to the contrary of Trifunovic and, it would seem, Fischer) that it isn't.
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Reply #31 - 03/07/13 at 15:29:54
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Seams like I will wait for update of Tigers book... Modern Tiger...
  
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Reply #30 - 03/07/13 at 13:29:55
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Bibs wrote on 03/07/13 at 13:10:25:
Ah yes, that too. A very lazy, skimpy book that though. Poor.

Agreed: the book is a bit disappointing, in general. However the Gurgenidze chapters do contain a few useful discussions of strategical ideas, which might be of interest.
  
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Reply #29 - 03/07/13 at 13:10:25
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Seeley wrote on 03/07/13 at 13:01:40:
Bibs wrote on 03/07/13 at 12:38:52:
Ratzi wrote on 03/07/13 at 06:28:43:
Hi, does the book cover 3...c6 (including Gurgenidze)? I could't find that in the index of variations viewable at Amazon. And, if not, what would be the best source? Regards.


No Gurgenidze, no.
Best for that?
None that I know of recently.
Half remember that this might have some ideas:
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/modern-Defence-Hort-Vlastimil-Press/1638833557/bd

Modern Defence (Speelman and McDonald, Everyman, 2000) has a couple of chapters on the Gurgenidze and is a bit more up to date than the Hort book suggested by Bibs. Even so, it's more than a decade old. I have no idea how much theory has changed in this line, so it might suit your needs.

Ah yes, that too. A very lazy, skimpy book that though. Poor.
  
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Reply #28 - 03/07/13 at 13:01:40
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Bibs wrote on 03/07/13 at 12:38:52:
Ratzi wrote on 03/07/13 at 06:28:43:
Hi, does the book cover 3...c6 (including Gurgenidze)? I could't find that in the index of variations viewable at Amazon. And, if not, what would be the best source? Regards.


No Gurgenidze, no.
Best for that?
None that I know of recently.
Half remember that this might have some ideas:
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/modern-Defence-Hort-Vlastimil-Press/1638833557/bd

Modern Defence (Speelman and McDonald, Everyman, 2000) has a couple of chapters on the Gurgenidze and is a bit more up to date than the Hort book suggested by Bibs. Even so, it's more than a decade old. I have no idea how much theory has changed in this line, so it might suit your needs.
  
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Reply #27 - 03/07/13 at 12:38:52
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Ratzi wrote on 03/07/13 at 06:28:43:
Hi, does the book cover 3...c6 (including Gurgenidze)? I could't find that in the index of variations viewable at Amazon. And, if not, what would be the best source? Regards.


No Gurgenidze, no.
Best for that?
None that I know of recently.
Half remember that this might have some ideas:
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/modern-Defence-Hort-Vlastimil-Press/1638833557/bd
but that is a distant memory, don't have here to check. Kylemeister is the historian. K?
Tough line to play though, I learned through bitter experience.

  
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Re: Lakdawala modern
Reply #26 - 03/07/13 at 06:28:43
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Hi, does the book cover 3...c6 (including Gurgenidze)? I could't find that in the index of variations viewable at Amazon. And, if not, what would be the best source? Regards.
  
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Re: Lakdawala modern
Reply #25 - 02/21/13 at 07:47:27
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Fllg wrote on 02/20/13 at 16:11:50:
Glenn Snow wrote on 02/20/13 at 06:27:26:
Would you be willing to share the "various places" in the book that you found superficial?


Hi Glenn,

from memory:

1. After 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Be3 a6 there is nothing about lines where White plays h2-h4 without an early f2-f3

2. There is not even a mention of 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.f4 a6 5.Nf3 b5 6.Bd3 Nd7 7.a4 which has been recommended by Greet in Beating unusual openings, a book that is listed in the bibliography

3. In the chapter about the Averbakh he gives a main game with 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.e4 e5 5.Nge2 Nc6 6.Be3 Nh6 7.f3 f5 8.d5 Ne7 9.Qd2 Nf7 10.g3. The dangerous 10.0-0-0 is relegated to a side note and answered with 10... f4 which is in my opinion clearly inferior to 10... 0-0.

When reading the book it seemed to me he often referred to "King´s Indian style play" without ever explaining what that means as if that is common sense for someone reading a Move by Move book.

Above that I clearly share Bibs´ opinion about the writing style. I found it difficult to extract the chess content which was interesting to me. If the book were reduced to that it could easily be half the size.


Thanks very much for listing those.  I did find #1 analyzed at least some starting on page 47 where he gives 9...e6!, a move not mentioned by Tiger.

As for his writing style, well I tend to agree although my feelings aren't as strong as yours and others.  I do wish he'd tone it down a bit at least.
  
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Re: Lakdawala modern
Reply #24 - 02/20/13 at 18:38:51
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Bibs wrote on 02/20/13 at 12:26:58:
I must say that Lakdawala's writing style is intensely irritating.
Everything is a simile. Hideous ones at that. Profoundly irritating, so much so that it actively distracts from the chess content.
I cannot think of a worse chess writer stylistically. Lays waste to Keene. Puts the boot into Moody. Leaves Taylor at the starting line.
Everyman - no editor?


Leaves Taylor at the starting line?  Ouch.  I thought his Slav book was pretty good for the intended audience, though it's the only one I've seen.

Funny thing is, Lakdawala has a degree in English, if I recall correctly.  Hmmm.
  
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Reply #23 - 02/20/13 at 16:11:50
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Glenn Snow wrote on 02/20/13 at 06:27:26:
Would you be willing to share the "various places" in the book that you found superficial?


Hi Glenn,

from memory:

1. After 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Be3 a6 there is nothing about lines where White plays h2-h4 without an early f2-f3

2. There is not even a mention of 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.f4 a6 5.Nf3 b5 6.Bd3 Nd7 7.a4 which has been recommended by Greet in Beating unusual openings, a book that is listed in the bibliography

3. In the chapter about the Averbakh he gives a main game with 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.e4 e5 5.Nge2 Nc6 6.Be3 Nh6 7.f3 f5 8.d5 Ne7 9.Qd2 Nf7 10.g3. The dangerous 10.0-0-0 is relegated to a side note and answered with 10... f4 which is in my opinion clearly inferior to 10... 0-0.

When reading the book it seemed to me he often referred to "King´s Indian style play" without ever explaining what that means as if that is common sense for someone reading a Move by Move book.

Above that I clearly share Bibs´ opinion about the writing style. I found it difficult to extract the chess content which was interesting to me. If the book were reduced to that it could easily be half the size.
  
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Re: Lakdawala modern
Reply #22 - 02/20/13 at 14:33:16
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Yeah, some people dig his hyper writing style but it's hard for me to handle. I find myself wincing every few sentences.
  
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Reply #21 - 02/20/13 at 12:26:58
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I must say that Lakdawala's writing style is intensely irritating.
Everything is a simile. Hideous ones at that. Profoundly irritating, so much so that it actively distracts from the chess content.
I cannot think of a worse chess writer stylistically. Lays waste to Keene. Puts the boot into Moody. Leaves Taylor at the starting line.
Everyman - no editor?
  
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Reply #20 - 02/20/13 at 06:27:26
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Seeley wrote on 01/12/13 at 15:17:45:
Fllg wrote on 01/11/13 at 17:06:33:
In my opinion the book does not fulfil it´s intention as an introduction. But that may have to do with the difficult subject.

But if you have Tiger´s book and some prior experience with the Modern there are some interesting things in the book. He recommends 8... Nh6 instead of 8... c5 in one of the critical lines of the Austrian Attack.

Unfortunately it´s also quite superficial in various places so I would only give it 2 out of 5 Stars.


Thanks for that, Fllg, that's very helpful.


Would you be willing to share the "various places" in the book that you found superficial?
  
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Reply #19 - 01/12/13 at 15:17:45
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Fllg wrote on 01/11/13 at 17:06:33:
In my opinion the book does not fulfil it´s intention as an introduction. But that may have to do with the difficult subject.

But if you have Tiger´s book and some prior experience with the Modern there are some interesting things in the book. He recommends 8... Nh6 instead of 8... c5 in one of the critical lines of the Austrian Attack.

Unfortunately it´s also quite superficial in various places so I would only give it 2 out of 5 Stars.


Thanks for that, Fllg, that's very helpful.
  
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In my opinion the book does not fulfil it´s intention as an introduction. But that may have to do with the difficult subject.

But if you have Tiger´s book and some prior experience with the Modern there are some interesting things in the book. He recommends 8... Nh6 instead of 8... c5 in one of the critical lines of the Austrian Attack.

Unfortunately it´s also quite superficial in various places so I would only give it 2 out of 5 Stars.
  
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Reply #17 - 01/11/13 at 15:33:20
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Has anyone worked their way through this book yet ('The Modern Defence: Move by Move' by Cyrus Lakdawala)? I was wondering how it compared with 'Tiger's Modern', which appears to offer pretty much the same repertoire, assuming that the available extracts from Lakdawala's work are representative.

Judging from several ChessPub updates, there are a few lines in which Tiger's recommendations are now starting to look a bit shaky. Two in particular that spring to mind are the Austrian Attack-style line and the variation combining an early Bg5 with f4, which appears to be somewhat more challenging than Tiger gave it credit for.

Does Lakdawala attempt to update and improve on the the earlier work, and is he successful in doing so? I realise the author's writing style is something of an acquired taste but, putting this to one side, how, overall, would you rate the chess content of this book?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
  
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Reply #16 - 10/18/12 at 14:18:35
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I have hardly any experience with the Sniper, but I have Storey's book which I like. I was trying to use 1...g6, 2...Bg7 and 3...c5 as a transpositional device a couple of times (Dragon, Benko) and as a surprise weapon, but I have already abandoned it.

I have recently looked at the position you mention, and indeed didn't like it that much.
  
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TD wrote on 10/03/12 at 11:02:01:
Is the book only about 3...d6 or has he also something to say about 3...c5 ("The Sniper")?


Are you content with the position after 3.Nc3 c5 4.Be3 ?
  

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Reply #14 - 10/03/12 at 11:31:22
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It's only about 3 .. d6. There are some repertoire choices here and there but the repertoire is based largely on Tiger's Modern.
  
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Is the book only about 3...d6 or has he also something to say about 3...c5 ("The Sniper")?
  
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Reply #12 - 09/25/12 at 11:43:11
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In the move order you give, [u]4 …Bg4[/u] is indeed interesting, as, I believe, is [u]4 ...c6[/u] also. On ChessLive, [u]4 ...Nd7[/u] scores reasonably as well; if 5 e4, 5 ...e5 transposes into the 4 ...Nd7!? Averbakh line given below. I didn't know that [u]4 ...Nc6!?[/u] was also an interesting idea here, because I had never seen 5 d5 [u]Na5!?[/u]. Thanks, Vass!

(In the 1 e4 g6 2 d4 Bg7 3 c4 move order, the ‘traditional’ wisdom is that alternatives to going into a KID via 3 …d6 4 Nc3 Nf6 are possibly slightly dubious/inferior, but as well as 4 …e5 and 4 …Nc6 there’s 4 …Nd7!?, which has been strengthened in recent years with the discovery of 5 Nf3 e5 6 Be2 c6 7 0-0 Nh6! 8 c5 dc 9 dc Qc7!. There’s also Nigel Davies’ 4 …a6!?, while on move three Black can also try 3 …c5 meeting 4 d5 with the plan of …d6, …e6 and …Ne7. But Black can also adopt the move order 1 e4 g6 2 d4 d6, meeting 3 c4 with 3 …e5!?, when, in the event of 4 de, he gains from not having committed his dark-squared Bishop. There are threads on most of these options in the Daring Defences part of the Forum which it should be possible to find by searching.)
  
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Reply #11 - 09/25/12 at 11:42:59
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gwnn wrote on 09/25/12 at 11:02:18:
Looks like a nice book to me, although some of the metaphors are really superfluous and not witty anymore.

Is there any way I could avoid the ending after
1 d4 g6 2 c4 Bg7 3 Nc3 d6 4 Nf3 e5 and a queen swap? It looks very scary from the book. Tiger doesn't cover non-e4 lines so far as I can see and this I wouldn't like to play.

Of course I could play the KID (I know a few lines and that should be enough at my level) but I wonder if there's something other than that? I was thinking 4 .. Bf5? I also see in a database that maybe 4 .. Bg4 could work. White doesn't have a big centre yet so that's kind of hard to put pressure on.

Well, there is always a way..  Smiley
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Looks like a nice book to me, although some of the metaphors are really superfluous and not witty anymore.

Is there any way I could avoid the ending after
1 d4 g6 2 c4 Bg7 3 Nc3 d6 4 Nf3 e5 and a queen swap? It looks very scary from the book. Tiger doesn't cover non-e4 lines so far as I can see and this I wouldn't like to play.

Of course I could play the KID (I know a few lines and that should be enough at my level) but I wonder if there's something other than that? I was thinking 4 .. Bf5? I also see in a database that maybe 4 .. Bg4 could work. White doesn't have a big centre yet so that's kind of hard to put pressure on.
  
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Reply #9 - 09/20/12 at 16:28:29
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Knowing Cyrus personally, I think calling this the "Coward's Variation" is just his sense of humor.  He's quite funny in person, though admittedly in writing he can come across as annoying (though not as annoying as Silman, in my opinion).

Cyrus refers to himself this way all the time, saying that he's basically a big coward, doesn't like risk, etc.  Maybe it doesn't come across that well in published form, but he doesn't mean anything disparaging by it.

He's even called me a coward, saying something like: "You're a lot like me, we're both basically big cowards!"  Which I disagreed with, of course--but took no offense to.
  
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MNb wrote on 09/16/12 at 16:25:17:
I like Lakdawala's goofiness - it's not a goal in itself, but in service of the points he wants to make. There is a lot of good explanation behind it.

On page 65, the Kulhanek-Chernyshov game, Lakdawala alas misses an important point.

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How is it possible that Black can hope to defend with so many attackers around his king?

There is a golden rule, formulated by Spielmann I think, but I'm too lazy to check. An attack only can succeed if there are more pieces involved in the attack than in the defence. The defending king counts too. Take a look at the last diagram of page 64 and you'll notice that Black uses every single piece for the defence, which means he has a majority. So with accurate play Black is sure to have success.


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Wow, another HUGE sample on amazon.co.uk. Yes, the goofiness is less than I thought based on that Siamese comment.
  
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I recall that William Lombardy wrote about that "numbers theory" in Chess Life & Review circa 1975 ...maybe Cyrus was subscribed to the wrong magazine (in the book he mentions getting Canadian Chess Chat in what would have been about 1973)     Cheesy
  
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I like Lakdawala's goofiness - it's not a goal in itself, but in service of the points he wants to make. There is a lot of good explanation behind it.

On page 65, the Kulhanek-Chernyshov game, Lakdawala alas misses an important point.

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How is it possible that Black can hope to defend with so many attackers around his king?

There is a golden rule, formulated by Spielmann I think, but I'm too lazy to check. An attack only can succeed if there are more pieces involved in the attack than in the defence. The defending king counts too. Take a look at the last diagram of page 64 and you'll notice that Black uses every single piece for the defence, which means he has a majority. So with accurate play Black is sure to have success.
  

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Reply #3 - 09/16/12 at 14:08:32
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He also made fun of the Exchange Variation in the Slav book but admitted to often playing it. From the extract it really seems like he is overdoing it, though. He says something like 'Surgically separating the Siamese twins' when white takes a black knight on f7 (another one being on d7). Funny images can be nice to serve as memory aids, or to avoid repetitive annotations (I am not saying they are mandatory either). There's plenty of such creative humour in Schandorff or in Tiger's Modern. But please refrain from just-so goofiness. Angry
  
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Re: Lakdawala modern
Reply #2 - 09/16/12 at 04:27:57
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Yep.  I see (via Amazon) that Lakdawala actually says it's his favorite with White.

Reminds me of Keene and Botterill's term "Geller's Quiet System" (in what was maybe the first book on the Modern), but I'm thinking it was their contention that the B doesn't belong on d3.
  
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Re: Lakdawala modern
Reply #1 - 09/16/12 at 03:50:06
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Let me guess: The chapter is about the calm setup with Bd3, c3, Nf3?

That can be a bit annoying for Black actually. Maybe it's a bit of the same tactic Gallagher used against the Exchange KID: Slander it so much in public that hopefully opponents will stay away?!

Judging from his previous work, Lakdawala is probably just trying to be funny. Annoying at times, but the actual content could still be good...
  

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Lakdawala modern
09/16/12 at 02:18:21
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From the sublime to the ridiculous. From Vigus' Pirc to Lakdawala's Modern.

http://www.everymanchess.com/chess/books/The_Modern_Defence%3A_Move_by_Move

Chapter 7 'The Coward's Variation'.

Oh dear. Sigh.

I appreciate the argument that much of our thinking is through metaphor (posited by Lakoff and Johnson in their  fantastic 'Metaphors we live by').
Hence 'chess' is 'battle/war'. Same for 'argument'. But this is metaphorical, either knowingly or unknowingly, not literal.

Perhaps, in their race to the bottom, authors can think how to now better this.
The I'm Dead Hard Variation one could suggest.
A challenge for our favourite US Everyman authors Taylor and Lakdawala perhaps.

  
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