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Re: Pirc DVD by Bojkov - which line against modern def
Reply #18 - 10/10/15 at 10:28:59
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Maybee a bit of topic but I have question about the disc. I recently read the book "Karpov Move by Move" where there was a subchapter where Karpov was white in classical Pirc, a line I never tried against the Pirc. I really liked whites concept so I wanted to know more about it so I bought Bojkovs DVD. Has there been any significnat developmets since the disc was realised?
  
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Re: Pirc DVD by Bojkov - which line against modern def
Reply #17 - 10/07/15 at 20:29:10
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Hello.

Stigma wrote on 10/06/15 at 21:53:56:
True about 4...a6 5.c4!, but 4...Nd7!? is a more cunning move order for ...a6 Modern players (also against another similar attempt to force Black into a Pirc, 3.Nf3 d6 4.h3). I have no idea why neither Tiger nor anyone else I'm aware of analyzes 4...Nd7; I face it a lot in blitz when I try 3.Nf3/4.h3 as White.

I have not gotten this either. Ok if the move is not worth covering for some reason, but some lines or an explanation of why would be nice.

I once looked at this line before a game and I remember having planned to go 5.a4; which is both a waiting move and also a small bit active. Some analysis:



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Re: Pirc DVD by Bojkov - which line against modern def
Reply #16 - 10/07/15 at 19:47:18
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Hello.

kylemeister wrote on 12/15/12 at 04:47:28:
I wonder what the Tiger recipe is against a Damenspringerzurückhaltungspolitik (1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Be2).


I might as well answer this because I took the time to check. Basically he recommends Pirc Transpositions.

Tiger’s Modern (2005):

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Be2 (Page 125.)
4…Nf6 with the continuation 5.Nc3 0-0 6.0-0 e6 transposing to the Classical Pirc.

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.h3 (page 129.)
4…Nf6 with the continuation 5.Nc3 0-0 6.Be3 a6

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Be3
No mention.

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Be2
No mention

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.h3
No mention

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Be3 (Page 185.)
3…c5 with the continuation 4.Nc3 Qa5

The Modern Tiger (2014):

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Be2 (Page 312.)
4…Nf6 with the continuation 5.Nc3 0-0 6.0-0 e6 transposing to the Classical Pirc.

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.h3 (Page 327.)
4…Nf6 with the continuation 5.Nc3 0-0 6.Be3 a6

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Be3 (Page 240.)
4…Nf6 with the continuation 5.Nc3 a6 6.Qd2 b5

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Be2
No mention

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.h3
No mention

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Be3 (Page 454)
3…d5 with the continuation 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.Nc3

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Re: Pirc DVD by Bojkov - which line against modern def
Reply #15 - 10/07/15 at 07:51:27
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In my article http://chess-brabo.blogspot.be/2014/01/the-fake-truth.html I wrote about the Modern defense.

As mentioned in that article I shifted to 7.Re1 which contains a lot of poison. I give one example from my online practice.


Against the Qc7-e5-Nf6 system I like very much the idea shown in the game below. White is former worldchampion correspondence-chess Gert-Jan Timmerman so no small fish.
  
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Re: Pirc DVD by Bojkov - which line against modern def
Reply #14 - 10/07/15 at 01:57:40
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This seems like a pretty good way for White to go if he does want to play this way against ...c6, though.
  

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Re: Pirc DVD by Bojkov - which line against modern def
Reply #13 - 10/07/15 at 01:52:46
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Well, after 6.Nc3 Qc7 7.a4/7.Re1 Ngf6 it seems like Black will reach the ...c6 Classical having avoided some White sidelines: 7.h3 Nbd7 8.e5 and also 7.Bf4 (from the Dangerous Weapons: Pirc/Modern book).

Whether Black considers that a success will depend entirely on whether the Classical Pirc with ...c6 was in his repertoire in the first place.

I would have thought Black could try some Modern-ish 7.Re1 b5 stuff too, but he doesn't score well with it. Probably White's lead in development becomes too big there.
  

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Re: Pirc DVD by Bojkov - which line against modern def
Reply #12 - 10/07/15 at 01:36:39
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A quick look at the database shows that Black usually just plays ...Qc7, ...e5 and ...Ngf6 reaching a Pirc anyway. I mean, IMO anything else looks like deviating for the sake of deviating rather than having any actual point to delaying ...Ngf6 at this stage.
  

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Re: Pirc DVD by Bojkov - which line against modern def
Reply #11 - 10/07/15 at 01:32:26
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True enough. That's likely to get both players out of book already Smiley

The Modern with ...d6 and ...c6 (against e4/d4/Nc3) hasn't gotten much attention lately, but maybe Black should be happy to get it with White committed to both Nf3 and Be2. In the old Modern Defence book by Speelman and McDonald, the focus was more on lines with Be3, Bd3 and a quick a4 break to counter Black's queenside expansion. With Be2, the e4 pawn can come under fire from Nf6 and Bb7.
  

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Re: Pirc DVD by Bojkov - which line against modern def
Reply #10 - 10/07/15 at 01:23:13
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Actually come to think of it, if we just play 6 Nc3, we've at least avoided Tiger's Modern altogether (which was the OP's question, FWIW  Grin)
  

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Re: Pirc DVD by Bojkov - which line against modern def
Reply #9 - 10/07/15 at 01:16:51
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Fair enough. I'm not sure which is more committal in that KID position either, h3 or ...Qc7. The queen sometimes goes to b6 or e7 or a5, but c7 is quite common I believe. The problem with an early h3 is the structure where Black plays ...exd4: Sooner or later White usually wants to defend his e-pawn with f3, but with h3 also played, that leaves some ugly dark-squared weaknesses on the kingside. So possibly, with h3 played, White should try to get in d4-d5 soon.
  

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Re: Pirc DVD by Bojkov - which line against modern def
Reply #8 - 10/07/15 at 01:08:00
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Yeah, but I was thinking when Black goes ...Qc7, then we play c2-c4 and claim a better version of a KID. Although admittedly my KID knowledge isn't exactly sophisticated enough to say that for sure...
  

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Reply #7 - 10/07/15 at 01:03:23
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Mainline_Novelty wrote on 10/07/15 at 00:36:16:
I don't necessarily agree that h3 is too committal... it's supposed to be the main line in the analogous Pirc variation, and IMO Black has to make some concessions to avoid directly transposing into it.

I assume you're thinking of the line 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Be2 0-0 6.0-0 c6 7.h3. But that line is sort of an exception: White combines h3 and Be2 there because he is sure to get in e4-e5 (and doesn't want Black to have the answer ...Ng4), which is a bit annoying for Black. In the Modern move order Black is free to play ...Qc7 before ...Ngf6, and maybe even ...e5 (though that may run into a strong Nf3-d2) or more likely start his counterplay with ...b5 before eventually playing ...Ngf6 and 0-0 - more or less the main idea of the ...d6/c6 Modern. So I'm not convinced combining Be2 and h3 is optimal play by White here.
  

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Re: Pirc DVD by Bojkov - which line against modern def
Reply #6 - 10/07/15 at 00:36:16
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I don't necessarily agree that h3 is too committal...it's supposed to be the main line in the analogous Pirc variation, and IMO Black has to make some concessions to avoid directly transposing into it. Also, while I'm sure 6 c4 is good objectively, as a 1 e4 player, I'm not terribly excited about reaching "just" a ...Nbd7 KID  Tongue

Yeah, 5...e5's a move in the Be2/0-0 position, but like I said, I assumed Black would logically soon follow it up with ...Ngf6, reaching a Classical Pirc.
  

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Re: Pirc DVD by Bojkov - which line against modern def
Reply #5 - 10/07/15 at 00:18:45
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Good point - just castle and wait. I think it's a bit early to commit to both Be2 and h3 though (in many lines White wants to play one of these, but not both). But (4...Nd7 5.0-0) 5...c6 is a bit commital in the KID or Averbakh Modern, so again 6.c4! should be good.

Maybe 4...Nd7 only really has a point against 3.Nf3 d6 4.h3 then, since White doesn't want to choose between Be2, Bc4 and Bd3 just yet. 5.Be3 is the obvious waiting move, but then I've seen 5...e5 played; not sure how to assess that.

Come to think of it, 5...e5 is a move in the Be2/0-0 position too...
  

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Re: Pirc DVD by Bojkov - which line against modern def
Reply #4 - 10/06/15 at 23:10:22
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Yeah, that does look like a more astute approach. I'm wondering if we can wait Black out with, say, 5 0-0 c6 6 h3, keeping both the KID and Classical Pirc transpositions in hand. ...e5 with ...Ngf6 (I think) transposes back to the current ML of the Be2 Pirc, ...e5 without ...Ngf6 just looks odd to me, and 6...b5 makes much less sense without the Kt on c3 yet.
  

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