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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
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This little analysis mainly refers to Tigers book (p.151-201), which not only is a great theoretical work, but contains a huge collection of interesting lines and a bunch of inspiring ideas … by posting this analysis I still learned a lot about the move-order-trickeries …

The Modern Tiger is a fascinating work whether you play the Modern or not! – full of insights some of which have application to other openings as well (not least the Pirc, which of course is partly covered). I do wish though that openings books in general were more cogently organised! For example, in Chapter 3, Tiger comments rather differently on the same position in different places (4 Be3 a6 5 h4 Nf6 6 f3 b5 7 Qd2 h5 8 0-0-0 Bb7?! 9 Nh3 Nbd7 10 Ng5 e6: compare bottom right of p. 162 and bottom left of p. 176, where 11 Ne2 is called critical though the book’s first edition implies that 11 g3, which it seems has a big plus score, is actually best).

Also (and of greater interest to me), the move orders 5 Qd2 b5 6 f3 Nd7 7 h4 h5 8 Nh3 Bb7 9 a4 and 9 Ng5 (9 0-0-0 Rc8 10 Ng5 c5! is the variation you mention, of course) are missing.* After the former Black presumably should play 9 …c6 reaching page 158 after 10 Ng5 Ngf6 11 Be2 0-0, and after the latter perhaps 9 …c6 too, reaching page 156 after 10 0-0-0 Qc7! 11 Kb1 Ngf6. But here I notice that Nigel Short and others have played 9 …c5!? and so I wondered what happens after 10 a4 – is the idea the pawn sac 10 …Bd4 11 Bd4 cd 12 Qd4 Ngf6 13 ab ab? Anyway, I don’t understand why openings-book authors, before writing a specific chapter, don’t draw up (and print in the book) a simple flow-chart of all the pertinent move-transpositions, surely a simple enough matter when there’s software to assist. Apologies to all who know I’ve been banging on about this for years!


* In addition, in the ‘waiting game’ variation that you mention, given on p. 163 (6 h4 Nf6! 7 f3 h5 8 0-0-0 c6 9 Kb1! Qc7!), I think the sharp 10 Bf4!? should have been analysed, even if 10 …b4 is OK for Black.
  
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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
Reply #21 - 06/26/17 at 19:10:03
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fling wrote on 03/13/17 at 18:43:58:
RdC wrote on 03/11/17 at 23:01:13:
John Nunn, author of a book or two on the Modern is playing again in UK weekend tournaments. Here's how he met the Modern Tiger in this weekend's tournament in Exeter.

1. e4 d6 2.d4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. Be3 a6 5. h4

This provoked the response 5. .. h5 whereupon Nh3 was played, followed up by Ng5, f3 and O-O-O. Later the regrouping Nc3-e2-f4 was played, putting a lot of pressure on e6 ( which was occupied by a pawn).


From what I have experienced and learned from similar positions (I don't play this set-up, but often ...g6 against the English), ...h5 is many times the least desired option for Black. I'd rather go ...h6, or something else, especially now when White has not played Qd2 (no Bh6 yet). If White has played Qd2, then ...h5 could be an option I guess. What does Tiger recommend?


The whole 4.Be3 business probably is - besides the infamous Austrian - the most dangerous and concurrently most interesting option for White against the Modern and the Pirc in particular.
Personally, 4.Be3 persuaded me to switch from the classical Pirc move-order to the more flexibel Modern move-order.

In the Modern Tiger, Persson adresses this setup on about 100 pages, mainly White playing the more dangerous f3 ("flexible dragon unleashed") and the more solid Nf3 ("flexible dragon restrained").

Before taking 5.h4 into account, it seems sensible to analyse the really popular "starting position" of this system after the following moves:

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Be3 a6 5.Qd2 b5

White's typicalplan generally include f3, 0-0-0, h4, Nh3-g5 and crushing Black on the Kingside or in the center with a timely e5-Break.
Black's typical ideas are Bb7, Nd7, c(6-)5, Qc7, sometimes Rc8 and Ngf6 as well and crushing White on the Queenside without allowing too much Counterplay on his own king.
Because of his limited influence in the center it seems that Black has to react more carefully to White's play than the other way around.

Having said this, a very important idea against White's h4 followed by the annoying Nh3-g5 (if Black plays ...h5) is simply to knock out the Knight with ...Bxh3 as soon as possible.
So, after 6.h4 Black shouldn't play the automatic 6...h5?! as 7.Nf3! secures White the possibiliy of playing Ng5 and putting pressure on Blacks kingside.
Instead, Black should react 6...Ngf6, attacking e4 and more or less forcing 7.f3 as White wants to play this move anyway. Only now Black plays 7...h5! since Nf3 is no longer an option.
After 8.0-0-0 (part of White's plan) Black has to adjust his play a little bit, since his normal moves 8...Bb7 as well as 8...Nd7 allow the critical 9.Nh3 in turn. So Tiger recommends 8...c6! as half a waiting move preparing ...Qc7, after which play may continue 9.Kb1 (9.Nh3 Bxh3 10.Rxh3 Nbd7 and Black could execute his idea) 9...Qc7 10.e5 Nd5 11.f4 Nxc3+ 12.Qxc3 0-0 with roughly equal play.

In view of this, White may play 6.0-0-0 first, since Black's normal moves 6...Nd7 and 6...Bb7 both allow 7.Nh3. Although the sophisticated 6...c6!? is playable, Tiger recommends the much more natural sequence:

6.0-0-0 Bb7 7.f3 Nd7 8.h4 h5 9.Nh3 Rc8!?

In this move-order Black cannot really avoid facing a white Knight on g5, but in particular for the Ne2-f4-maneuver he seems to be better prepared as the following line shows:

10.Ng5 c5 11.Ne2 Qc7 12.Kb1 Ngf6 13.d5
(13.g3 with the idea Bh3 is met by 13...cxd4 14.Nxd4 Ne5 as well as 13.Nf4? runs into the typical tactic 13...cxd4 14.Bxd4 e5!)
13...Ne5 14.Nf4 Qb6 (avoiding any fork on e6) and White's play seems a little bit stuck at the moment when Black may rush is queenside pawns.

Having said all this, after the immediate 5.h4 Black should play 5...Nf6! similar to the variations above since 6.Qd2 b5 transposes.

The alternative (and maybe more risky) setup against White's h4 is ...h6, intending to meet h4-h5 with ...g5, however creating a hole on f5 (as ...e6 usually weakens d6 a bit too much) and a potential pawn-break in f4.
Nevertheless, if White postpones long castling and plays with a quick g4, Black sometimes should employ the ..h6 plan as a sample line may show:

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Be3 a6 5.Qd2 b5 6.f3 Nd7 7.g4!? Bb7 8.Nge2
(Noteworthy the clumsy 8.h4?! is strongly met by 8...h5! [here it works!] 9.gxh5 Rxh5 10.Nge2 Bf6 11.Bf2 e5 and Black is fine.)
8...c5 9.h4
(9.dxc5 Ne5! eyeballing f3 as well as c4 is level.)
9...h6
(Now 9...h5 dosn't work as well as previously since 10.gxh5 Rxh5 11.Ng3 Rh7 12.h5 is good for White.)
10.Ng3 Qc7
(10...e6 is a safer option but not everybody's taste.)
11.h5 d5! 12.Bf4 e5! and Black unleashes his forces.

Summed up, Black shouldn't play ...h5 light-hearted, but sometimes it's a necessity to stop White's immediate kingside-play. Moreover, Black always should keep his ...Bxh3-idea in mind, sometimes even by delaying ...Bb7 or ...Nd7 with ...c6.
If White plays g4 in preperation for h4, Black can employ his second weapon with ...h6 followed by ...g5, but since this creates static weaknesses, Black should play energetically.

This little analysis mainly refers to Tigers book (p.151-201), which not only is a great theoretical work, but contains a huge collection of interesting lines and a bunch of inspiring ideas.

Hopefully that helped (as it helped myself - by posting this analysis I still learned a lot about the move-order-trickeries)!  Grin
  
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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
Reply #20 - 03/13/17 at 18:43:58
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RdC wrote on 03/11/17 at 23:01:13:
John Nunn, author of a book or two on the Modern is playing again in UK weekend tournaments. Here's how he met the Modern Tiger in this weekend's tournament in Exeter.

1. e4 d6 2.d4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. Be3 a6 5. h4

This provoked the response 5. .. h5 whereupon Nh3 was played, followed up by Ng5, f3 and O-O-O. Later the regrouping Nc3-e2-f4 was played, putting a lot of pressure on e6 ( which was occupied by a pawn).


From what I have experienced and learned from similar positions (I don't play this set-up, but often ...g6 against the English), ...h5 is many times the least desired option for Black. I'd rather go ...h6, or something else, especially now when White has not played Qd2 (no Bh6 yet). If White has played Qd2, then ...h5 could be an option I guess. What does Tiger recommend?
  
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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
Reply #19 - 03/13/17 at 17:15:39
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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
Reply #18 - 03/12/17 at 23:57:16
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RdC wrote on 03/11/17 at 23:01:13:
John Nunn, author of a book or two on the Modern is playing again in UK weekend tournaments. Here's how he met the Modern Tiger in this weekend's tournament in Exeter.

1. e4 d6 2.d4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. Be3 a6 5. h4

This provoked the response 5. .. h5 whereupon Nh3 was played, followed up by Ng5, f3 and O-O-O. Later the regrouping Nc3-e2-f4 was played, putting a lot of pressure on e6 ( which was occupied by a pawn).


Irrelevant observation:  Dr. N keeps a neat scoresheet.  (From looking at other rounds, it is evident that the second one for that game [sixth one in the file] is his.)
https://eastdevonchesscongress.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/r2-open.pdf
  
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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
Reply #17 - 03/11/17 at 23:01:13
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John Nunn, author of a book or two on the Modern is playing again in UK weekend tournaments. Here's how he met the Modern Tiger in this weekend's tournament in Exeter.

1. e4 d6 2.d4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. Be3 a6 5. h4

This provoked the response 5. .. h5 whereupon Nh3 was played, followed up by Ng5, f3 and O-O-O. Later the regrouping Nc3-e2-f4 was played, putting a lot of pressure on e6 ( which was occupied by a pawn).
  
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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
Reply #16 - 01/24/17 at 10:59:35
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Hi.

Fighting games. Was very enjoyable to go through both Smiley.

Have a nice day.
  
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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
Reply #15 - 01/23/17 at 11:45:40
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Ooops, sorry. The first game is the following: http://www.chessvideos.tv/chess-game-replayer.php?id=109270 where I played black against FM Strange. The second game is the same: http://www.chessvideos.tv/chess-game-replayer.php?id=109327
  
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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
Reply #14 - 01/18/17 at 12:19:13
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I really love his book. My last 2 games with the black pieces have been the Hippo. I hope that it is OK including them here.

In the first game, the white player has an ELO just above 2400: http://www.chessvideos.tv/chess-game-replayer.php?id=109271

In the above game, white has a won position around move 45 and black has a won position around move 60. It was really a tough game because we had 90 minutes + 30s per move for the entire game and the last 50 moves were played with very little time left.

In the second game, the white player had 2250:

http://www.chessvideos.tv/chess-game-replayer.php?id=109327

The place where white blunders the exchange he is virtually down to 30 s per move. This was played in the Danish division league.

I will definitely continue to have the Modern as a surprise weapon. Tiger's book is truly inspiring I find.
  
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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
Reply #13 - 08/13/16 at 21:31:59
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Tiger Hillarp has added some more Modern Defence annotations at his blog
http://tiger.bagofcats.net/
following his recent exhibition match at 15 minutes +5 seconds vs. Morozevich.
  
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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
Reply #12 - 07/22/16 at 00:10:22
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Many thanks for this! I should have known to look there. Love the annotation to Black's seventh!
  
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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
Reply #11 - 07/21/16 at 23:49:47
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Tiger has commented on the recent Wei Yi-Carlsen game (Bilbao) at
http://tiger.bagofcats.net/


  
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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
Reply #10 - 03/18/15 at 05:25:40
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TN wrote on 03/17/15 at 22:08:47:
The big question in my mind is what Tiger gives against 4.f4 a6 5.Nf3 b5 6.Bd3 Nd7 7.a4 which was one of his main recommendations to White in his first book.


Hillarp Persson still thinks this line is dangerous for Black and therefore gives 4 (!) options he considers playable.
  
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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
Reply #9 - 03/17/15 at 22:08:47
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The final position in line 2 isn't an issue after 9...Qc7 followed by the queenside pawn storm, but White could improve earlier with 8.h3!. Fortunately 5...Nxe4 is probably a simpler route to equality, and a good argument in favour of starting with 5.Qe2. In line 1, just play 6...Nf6 when it doesn't make much sense for White to castle kingside, but queenside castling also feels strange in conjunction with Be2/Nf3.

For what it's worth, 4...Nf6 is a pretty logical choice after 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Be2 (as it's bascially your only good option after 3.Nf3 d6 4.Be2) and then 5.g4 d5! and 5.h4 c5 6.d5 h5 are both quite fine for Black, in my view as White doesn't really get his attack going in either case.

The big question in my mind is what Tiger gives against 4.f4 a6 5.Nf3 b5 6.Bd3 Nd7 7.a4 which was one of his main recommendations to White in his first book. Perhaps he's suggesting the 4...Nf6 Pirc transposition this time but I'm not convinced by Black's prospects for equality there either.
  

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Re: The Modern Tiger (Tiger's Modern 2 ed)
Reply #8 - 03/16/15 at 13:07:20
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Very interesting book but after the last two modern games i played with black i did not found analysis : 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Be2!? a6 (after Nf6 transposition in the Pirc 5.h4!? or 6.g4!?) 5.h4!? h5 6.Cf3 b5 7.Ng5 and 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 d6 4.Bc4 Nf6 5.Nc3 0-0 6.Qe2!? ç6 7.Bb3 Bg4 8.Be3 Nbd7 9.000 In both case it seems to me the game is original and maybe better for White.
  
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