Toshak wrote on 12/09/13 at 20:42:50:


do you mean 10 Nc3 h6 (not e6) and then 11.d5!, right? At least this is my move order.
The point is that here you have moves that were not possible in your original analysis, e.g., 11....Bc5 and
11...e5 as played in same of the games in previous post.
I am not saying that this refutes 11. d5! but might be worth analising.

Toshak wrote on 10/30/13 at 22:20:42:


Perhaps you could try a slightly diferent move order

1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 dxe5 5.Nxe5 c6 6.Be2 Bf5 7.O-O Nd7 8.Nf3 e6 9.c4 N5f6 10 Nc3
and now 10...h6 (to give a fleeing place for the bishop) instead of the "recommended"10...Bd6  (we can obtain this position by using your move order 8...h6 9.c4 N5f6 10.Nc3 e6 - instead of 10 - d5))
Of course, now you can still play the "delayed" 11.d5 but now, besides taking the pawn on d5, Black can also play 11...e5 (and now White cannot play dxe6) or
11...Bc5. All of these moves are worth analising
although I think White is still +/=.

Also, it would be nice to see a more concrete evaluation after the "recommended" 10..Bd6

Below there are a few ICCF games on the position you mentioned and also with the move order I mentioned

[Event "W-ch WS/M/188 email"]
[Site "ICCF email"]
[Date "2008.12.22"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Kazantsev, Renal Aleksandrovic"]
[Black "Reichert, Thomas"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B04"]
[WhiteElo "2301"]
[BlackElo "2328"]
[PlyCount "87"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn (corr)"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2010.08.31"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. O-O Nd7 8.
Nf3 h6 9. c4 N5f6 10. d5 e5 11. dxe6 fxe6 12. Nd4 Bc5 13. Nxf5 exf5 14. Bh5+
Kf8 15. Nc3 Nxh5 16. Qxh5 Qf6 17. Be3 Bxe3 18. fxe3 g6 19. Qh3 Ne5 20. Rad1 Rd8
21. e4 Kg7 22. exf5 Rhf8 23. Ne4 Qxf5 24. Qxf5 gxf5 25. Nd6 f4 26. Rfe1 Kf6 27.
Re4 f3 28. g3 h5 29. Kf1 b6 30. b4 a5 31. bxa5 bxa5 32. c5 Rb8 33. h3 a4 34.
Re3 a3 35. Rxa3 Ra8 36. Re3 Rxa2 37. Rde1 f2 38. Rc1 Rfa8 39. Ne4+ Kf5 40. Nxf2
Ra1 41. Rxa1 Rxa1+ 42. Re1 Ra4 43. Rd1 Rc4 44. Rd8 1/2-1/2

[Event "DE5A/pr57"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "2011.04.05"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Tarmak, Mart"]
[Black "Raijmaekers, Cees H. W"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "1984"]
[BlackElo "2261"]
[PlyCount "73"]
[EventDate "2011.??.??"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. O-O Nd7 8.
Nf3 h6 9. c4 N5f6 10. d5 e5 11. dxe6 Bxe6 12. Nd4 Nc5 13. b4 Nce4 14. Nxe6 Qxd1
15. Rxd1 fxe6 16. f3 Nd6 17. Nc3 O-O-O 18. c5 Nf5 19. Rxd8+ Kxd8 20. Bb2 Be7
21. Bc4 Nd5 22. Nxd5 exd5 23. Bd3 Rf8 24. Bxf5 Rxf5 25. Bxg7 Rf4 26. a3 Bg5 27.
Kf1 Ke7 28. Ke2 Kf7 29. Bh8 Rh4 30. h3 Rc4 31. Kd3 a5 32. Rb1 Bf6 33. Bxf6 Kxf6
34. g3 axb4 35. axb4 h5 36. h4 Kf5 37. Rb2 1/2-1/2

[Event "BdF/Smaragd/04 (GER)"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "2013.08.31"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Shchebenyuk, Nina Grigorievna"]
[Black "Kuteneva, Galina Viktorovna"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2093"]
[BlackElo "2179"]
[PlyCount "50"]
[EventDate "2013.??.??"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. O-O Nd7 8.
Nf3 h6 9. c4 N5f6 10. d5 e5 11. dxe6 fxe6 12. Nd4 Bc5 13. Nxf5 exf5 14. Bh5+
Kf8 15. Nc3 Nxh5 16. Qxh5 Qf6 17. Be3 Bxe3 18. fxe3 g6 19. Qh3 Ne5 20. Rad1 Kg7
21. e4 Rhd8 22. exf5 Rxd1 23. Nxd1 Nxc4 24. Qd3 Ne5 25. Qb3 b6 1/2-1/2

[Event "Slade Milan Memorial email"]
[Site "ICCF email"]
[Date "2008.08.15"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Asquith, Jerry EC"]
[Black "Donnelly, Michael J"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B04"]
[WhiteElo "2426"]
[BlackElo "2486"]
[PlyCount "92"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn (corr)"]
[EventRounds "13"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2010.08.31"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. O-O Nd7 8.
Nf3 h6 9. c4 N5f6 10. Nc3 e6 11. d5 Bc5 12. Nd4 Bxd4 13. Qxd4 e5 14. Qe3 cxd5
15. cxd5 O-O 16. Rd1 a6 17. d6 b5 18. b3 Re8 19. Bb2 Rc8 20. h3 Qa5 21. Rac1
Be6 22. Bf3 Rc5 23. g4 Rec8 24. Bg2 b4 25. Na4 Rxc1 26. Rxc1 Rxc1+ 27. Qxc1 Qb5
28. Bf1 Qd5 29. Qc8+ Kh7 30. Qxa6 e4 31. Nb6 Qxd6 32. Nxd7 Qxd7 33. Qe2 Qb7 34.
Qd2 h5 35. gxh5 Qd5 36. Qxd5 Nxd5 37. Bc4 Kh6 38. Kh2 f6 39. a4 bxa3 40. Bxa3
Kxh5 41. b4 Kg5 42. Bb2 Kf5 43. b5 Ne7 44. Be2 Kf4 45. h4 Bc8 46. h5 Nf5
1/2-1/2

[Event "WS/M/295"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "2010.11.26"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Kolodziejski, Marcin"]
[Black "Raijmaekers, Cees H. W"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2223"]
[BlackElo "2236"]
[PlyCount "47"]
[EventDate "2010.??.??"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. O-O Nd7 8.
Nf3 e6 9. c4 N5f6 10. Nc3 h6 11. d5 Bc5 12. Nd4 cxd5 13. cxd5 O-O 14. Be3 Re8
15. Re1 a6 16. Rc1 Qe7 17. h3 Bxd4 18. Qxd4 Nxd5 19. Nxd5 exd5 20. Qxd5 Be4 21.
Qc4 Qf6 22. Qd4 Qg6 23. f3 Bf5 24. Kh1 1/2-1/2

[Event "CZE-SCO 2012"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "2012.03.01"]
[Round "?.5"]
[White "Cernovský, Karel"]
[Black "Lloyd, Geoffrey"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2331"]
[BlackElo "2323"]
[PlyCount "59"]
[EventDate "2012.??.??"]
[WhiteTeam "Czech Republic"]
[BlackTeam "Scotland"]
[WhiteTeamCountry "CZE"]
[BlackTeamCountry "SCO"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. O-O Nd7 8.
Nf3 e6 9. c4 N5f6 10. Nc3 h6 11. d5 Bc5 12. Nd4 cxd5 13. cxd5 O-O 14. dxe6 Bxe6
15. Nxe6 fxe6 16. Na4 Qe7 17. Nxc5 Nxc5 18. Bc4 Rad8 19. Qe2 Nd5 20. Be3 Nxe3
21. Qxe3 a5 22. b3 Qd6 23. g3 Kh7 24. Rfd1 Qxd1+ 25. Rxd1 Rxd1+ 26. Kg2 b6 27.
a3 Rfd8 28. Bxe6 Nxe6 29. Qxe6 R1d6 30. Qe4+ 1/2-1/2

I know it's not forced, but I don't like 8. - e6 and I don't know anything about 8. - Qc7. Where can I find something about the queenmove?

Hi everybody!
I really love the Alekhine Defence, but the following line gives me a headache:
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 dxe5 5.Nxe5 c6 6.Be2 Bf5 7.O-O Nd7 8.Nf3 h6 9.c4 and now Nb4 seems very dangerous because of 10.Nc3 Nc2 11.Rb1 Nb4 12.Be3! Bxb1 13.Qxb1 Black has the exchange, but e6 14.a3 Na6 15.d5! and Black is in trouble.
Therefore I prefer 9. - N5f6, but again 10.d5 seems very strong. I played 10. - e5 11.dxe6 ep fxe6 twice and both games ended in a draw, but the position looks a bit suspicious.
Anyone with experience in these lines?