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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #15 - 07/11/14 at 01:24:39
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kylemeister wrote on 07/10/14 at 19:58:30:
One bit regarding Zelic-Cebalo:  instead of 13. Qe2 or 13. Qd4, 13. Qe3 was given long ago by Smith and (later) Flesch, both claiming it to be better for White.


That claim has always been disputed (I have owned Flesch' book for more than 30 years now). One of the first to do so was Dutch IM Paul Boersma in 1981:

http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/boeken/sport/m785541541-00217-paul-boersma-de-schaak...

I have owned that one for more than 30 years as well.
Indeed I have never understood why the queen would be so well placed on e3 after simply 13...Rf8, even if White fianchettoes the bishop as Flesch recommends.

Now before people get enthusiastic: the Leonidov Attack 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 g6 6.h4 is far more dangerous than 6.Bc4. The move order of the Sniper addresses that problem: 3...g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.h4 and Nf6 is stronger than dxc3.
  

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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #14 - 07/10/14 at 19:58:30
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One bit regarding Zelic-Cebalo:  instead of 13. Qe2 or 13. Qd4, 13. Qe3 was given long ago by Smith and (later) Flesch, both claiming it to be better for White.
  
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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #13 - 07/10/14 at 18:37:55
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Greet might be wrong here. JediKnight gives the very recent game Ibarra-Rodriguez:

http://tws27.weebly.com/morra-gambit-declined.html

As Black I would rather study a bit and accept:

http://tws27.weebly.com/morra-gambit-accepted.html

Game Zelic-Cebalo.
  

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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #12 - 07/10/14 at 13:02:45
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Greet says in "SO: The Accelerated Dragon" that after 5.c3!? d3! "White's pieces are less than ideally placed".
  
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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #11 - 07/10/14 at 10:57:43
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Could a transposition to the Smith-Morra Gambit?
1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 (Important!)  c5 4.Ac4!? and if ... cxd4 5.c3!?
  
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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #10 - 03/17/14 at 15:44:51
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PANFR wrote on 03/17/14 at 10:25:08:
The only problem is that white is better, especially after Storey's recommendation 4...Bxc3+.

5.bc3 Qa5 6.Qd4 Nf6 and now both 7.Bd2 Nc6 8.Qe3 b6 9.cb6 Qxb6 10.Bd3 (Stevic- Rukavina, Zadar op. 2013) and 7.Qb4 Nc6 8.Qxa5 Nxa5 9.Bd3 leave Black struggling to prove any compensation for his pawn.



The latter line actually occurred in Hawkins-Storey ch-GBR 2013 which was not exactly a good advertisement for the system Smiley

Given the identity of the second player, this game presumably represented state-of-the-art in this line at the time it was played  but IM Hawkins made it look very easy for white.
  
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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #9 - 03/17/14 at 10:25:08
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ViktorN wrote on 03/16/14 at 20:13:59:
What is the problem with 1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c5 4. dxc5? 


The only problem is that white is better, especially after Storey's recommendation 4...Bxc3+.

5.bc3 Qa5 6.Qd4 Nf6 and now both 7.Bd2 Nc6 8.Qe3 b6 9.cb6 Qxb6 10.Bd3 (Stevic- Rukavina, Zadar op. 2013) and 7.Qb4 Nc6 8.Qxa5 Nxa5 9.Bd3 leave Black struggling to prove any compensation for his pawn.

  
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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #8 - 03/17/14 at 09:10:50
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ViktorN wrote on 03/16/14 at 20:13:59:
What is the problem with 1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c5 4. dxc5? 


Probably nothing, but you can get some bizarre positions with tripled c pawns if Black throws in Bxc3. The practical presumption would be that if you as White have not studied this, your opponent probably has, else he wouldn't play possibly dubious ideas like giving up his g7 Bishop.
  
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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #7 - 03/16/14 at 20:13:59
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What is the problem with 1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c5 4. dxc5?
  
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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #6 - 01/27/14 at 02:56:19
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RdC wrote on 01/26/14 at 13:11:01:
Bibs wrote on 01/26/14 at 12:16:12:
I cannot really see 4...Qa5 being at all useful here.


The book by Storey elevated the Sniper into some form of ideology. It might have been more highly regarded had it just said that playing g6,Bg7 and c5 in the first three moves could lead to a number of standard positions and there were a few strange ones as well, when Black meets dxc5 or d5 with Bxc3.

If you mostly avoid playing open Sicilians for practical reasons, in other words bad results, the Sniper move orders are a nuisance if you want to play something involving e4 and d4 against Pircs and Moderns.


Only in his own head. Noone is required to believe everything, or indeed anything, that is written by a 2200-2300 FM. And I say that as someone similar level myself.
Or believe anyone indeed, be critical.
You give an accurate description.
  
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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #5 - 01/26/14 at 17:05:11
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4 . . . Qa5 should work from a practical perspective at club level where a d4 player reaches this by transposition (hoping for a Modern) notwithstanding the actual merits as that same player may have some passing familiarity with a normal Accelerated Dragon.  I wouldn't play this against someone stronger or who was an e4 player at some point and more likely to be familiar with with the move order trick.
  
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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #4 - 01/26/14 at 15:20:54
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Silman & Donaldson in the '90s had 5...Nc6 (6. d5 Nd4) as leading to a slight advantage for White.
  
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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #3 - 01/26/14 at 13:11:01
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Bibs wrote on 01/26/14 at 12:16:12:
I cannot really see 4...Qa5 being at all useful here.


The book by Storey elevated the Sniper into some form of ideology. It might have been more highly regarded had it just said that playing g6,Bg7 and c5 in the first three moves could lead to a number of standard positions and there were a few strange ones as well, when Black meets dxc5 or d5 with Bxc3.

If you mostly avoid playing open Sicilians for practical reasons, in other words bad results, the Sniper move orders are a nuisance if you want to play something involving e4 and d4 against Pircs and Moderns.
  
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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #2 - 01/26/14 at 12:16:12
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I cannot really see 4...Qa5 being at all useful here.
Black can however cheerfully argue that he has avoided some unpleasant anti-sic lines, the same argument as with 1...c5, 2...g6.

  
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Re: Dodging the Sniper
Reply #1 - 01/26/14 at 09:50:25
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Well black hardly gets simple equality in the corresponding accelerated dragon line so you could just stop things after 6.. cd (def after 7.. Nc6 Smiley). Free tempi rarely hurt!

Need a better way of causing trouble if you're going to Qa5.
  
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Dodging the Sniper
01/26/14 at 00:53:07
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By using the sequence 1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3 Nc3 c5, Black can tempt a Closed Sicilian player into positions that can transpose to Open Sicilians. The problem is that if White is not to be tempted into ambitious tries with dxc5, then the game can transpose to a regular Accelerated Dragon. In some cases, White can pick up a tempo compared to regular lines.

So 4. Nf3 Qa5 5. Be2 Nf6 6.0-0 cxd4 7. Nxd4 Nc6 . Now with 8. Nb3 White gains a tempo on a line where in the Accelerated Dragon, you first play Bc4 and then drop it back to e2.  So the game continued 8. .. Qc7 9.Be3 0-0. Here I used the extra tempo to punt 10. g4 which was met by 10. .. d6 11. g5 Ne8 12. f4 . The engine now likes being disruptive with 12. .. Bh3, but my opponent chose 12. .. a6. Now after 13. Nd5 Qd8 14. Bb6, I think that White has an edge.
  
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