ChessPub Forum - Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack

kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4904 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack Reply #19 - 05/02/15 at 19:07:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	Incidentally, here are some tactics featured in a recent Chess Publishing update ...avoid at all costs! Download game in pgn format


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RdC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 868 Joined: 05/17/08	Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack Reply #18 - 05/02/15 at 18:37:25	Post Tools	Print Post
	Marc Benford wrote on 05/02/15 at 04:14:57: But now the question is: after 6.Nf3 should I go for 6...Be7 or 6...Bb4 ? White's next move is most likely 7 exd5 and after the reply 7 .. Nxd5, you get an Isolated Queen pawn position. There are no doubt nuances connected with having the Bishop on b4 rather than e7, but it's being able to defend against the IQP that matters. It's unlikely with either move that there will not be tactics to calculate at some stage of the game.


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Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack
Reply #17 - 05/02/15 at 04:14:57

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For a few months I have tried the three moves, and I have finally settled for the move 5...e6
But now the question is: after 6.Nf3 should I go for 6...Be7 or 6...Bb4 ?

Which move do you think leads on average to the most solid, positional, slow, closed, quiet and strategic positions (the less sharp positions, the positions which contain the less tactics) ?

I have bought Lars Schandorff's book (written in 2010) on the Caro-Kann, and concerning the position after 5...e6 6.Nf3 he says (on page 150) : Quote:

Karpov has worked out a Nimzo-Indian plan for Black with 6...Bb4 and then fianchettoing the other Bishop on b7, but these days this plan has lost some of its earlier appeal.

Does this really mean that 6...Bb4 is inferior and that I should choose 6...Be7 instead?

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MWP YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 28 Joined: 03/31/15	Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack Reply #16 - 04/02/15 at 12:41:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	And here comes my favorite line. Download game in pgn format So Black is OK in Panov with 5...Nc6!


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MWP YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 28 Joined: 03/31/15	Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack Reply #15 - 04/02/15 at 12:39:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	7. d5!? is an interesting possibility. Download game in pgn format Download game in pgn format Download game in pgn format Download game in pgn format


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MWP YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 28 Joined: 03/31/15	Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack Reply #14 - 04/02/15 at 12:37:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	The most challenging option for white is 6. Bg5. Download game in pgn format


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MWP YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 28 Joined: 03/31/15	Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack Reply #13 - 04/02/15 at 12:36:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	Here Comes 15. Bg5 line Download game in pgn format


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MWP YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 28 Joined: 03/31/15	Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack Reply #12 - 04/02/15 at 12:35:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	Download game in pgn format So Engame line without 15. Bg5 is drawish.


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MWP YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 28 Joined: 03/31/15	Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack Reply #11 - 04/02/15 at 12:34:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	Download game in pgn format


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MWP YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 28 Joined: 03/31/15	Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack Reply #10 - 04/02/15 at 12:34:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	Sorry for russian text. Download game in pgn format


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MWP YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 28 Joined: 03/31/15	Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack Reply #9 - 03/31/15 at 15:33:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	I recomend 5...Nc6 in my opening lectures. However it has a downside that you can't play for win against much lower-rated opponent.


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fling God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1591 Joined: 01/21/11 Gender:	Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack Reply #8 - 01/12/15 at 20:46:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	What I meant was that the English line 1. c4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nf3 g6!? has long been considered inferior because of 4. e3. I haven't looked at it that much, because I don't play it that way as White, don't have NIC yearbooks, and I have used Palliser's recommendation of 3 ...e5. Apparently, the line has been pretty topical recently, as you mention, and there are quite a few games commented here on Chesspub too. After 4 ...Nf6 5. d4 cxd4 6. exd4 d5 we have transposed to the line in question. I will correct myself when talking about the 6. Bg5-variation and say it can be very tactical, but I was mainly thinking of the lines with 6...dxc4, which Schandorff recommends (or after e.g. 6...Ne4). 6 ...e6 is for sureolder stuff and more positional (but on the other hand probably a bit better for White, isn't it?). Why the attitude in your response, Kylemeister? As for OP, I think you should look at all lines and see what the critical answers are. Maybe you can't expect more answers than you have already gotten without being more specific what you don't like. Schandorff e.g. recommends 5...Nc6 6. Bg6 dxc4, which is sharper than what Houska recommends (6...e6). Khalifman gives 5...e6, which often leads to IQP positions. Those contain a fair amount of tactics of course, but as mentioned, that will all the other lines of the Panov do too. None is as slow as the main line CK, IMO.


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4904 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack Reply #7 - 01/07/15 at 15:52:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	Er, I believe 5...Nc6 6. Nf3 g6 has been a rather significant line in recent years, with Yearbook articles on it and whatnot. 6. Bg5 e6 (there are various other moves) is classical stuff; I'm tempted to borrow a phrase from Tarrasch and say that anyone who considers it not positional/strategic/etc. enough should give up chess ...


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Laramonet Senior Member Offline Gwyddbwll am byth ! Posts: 346 Location: Kidwelly Joined: 03/16/07 Gender:	Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack Reply #6 - 01/07/15 at 09:39:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	The line with 6.Nf3 g6 is recommended in Dangerous Weapons: Caro Kann. I wonder if Wesley So got his idea from this source, freely available to us mere mortals ?


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fling God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1591 Joined: 01/21/11 Gender:	Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack Reply #5 - 01/07/15 at 09:26:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	The line actually looks very interesting, and transposes after 6. Nf3 g6 to a known line in the English, which I have seen considered slightly better for White. But I am not sure it is that much for White if Black plays accurately. However, the problem with 5 ...Nc6 from OP's point-of-view is 6. Bg5. I don't see how it fits the criteria of slow, positional and little tactics. On the other hand, if White want to intiate tactics (well-founded, not as desperate measure), the Panov seems excellent for that purpose.


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