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Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack
Reply #19 - 05/02/15 at 20:07:14
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Incidentally, here are some tactics featured in a recent Chess Publishing update ...avoid at all costs!




  
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Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack
Reply #18 - 05/02/15 at 19:37:25
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Marc Benford wrote on 05/02/15 at 05:14:57:
But now the question is: after 6.Nf3 should I go for 6...Be7 or 6...Bb4 ?


White's next move is most likely 7 exd5 and after the reply 7 .. Nxd5, you get an Isolated Queen pawn position. There are no doubt nuances connected with having the Bishop on b4 rather than e7, but it's being able to defend against the IQP that matters. It's unlikely with either move that there will not be tactics to calculate at some stage of the game.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack
Reply #17 - 05/02/15 at 05:14:57
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For a few months I have tried the three moves, and I have finally settled for the move 5...e6
But now the question is: after 6.Nf3 should I go for 6...Be7 or 6...Bb4 ?

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Which move do you think leads on average to the most solid, positional, slow, closed, quiet and strategic positions (the less sharp positions, the positions which contain the less tactics) ?

I have bought Lars Schandorff's book (written in 2010) on the Caro-Kann, and concerning the position after 5...e6 6.Nf3 he says (on page 150) : Quote:
Karpov has worked out a Nimzo-Indian plan for Black with 6...Bb4 and then fianchettoing the other Bishop on b7, but these days this plan has lost some of its earlier appeal.
Does this really mean that 6...Bb4 is inferior and that I should choose 6...Be7 instead?
  
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Reply #16 - 04/02/15 at 13:41:09
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And here comes my favorite line.

So Black is OK in Panov with 5...Nc6!
  
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Reply #15 - 04/02/15 at 13:39:45
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Reply #14 - 04/02/15 at 13:37:58
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The most challenging option for white is 6. Bg5.
  
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Reply #13 - 04/02/15 at 13:36:51
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Here Comes 15. Bg5 line
  
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Reply #12 - 04/02/15 at 13:35:52
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So Engame line without 15. Bg5 is drawish.
  
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Reply #10 - 04/02/15 at 13:34:19
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Sorry for russian text.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack
Reply #9 - 03/31/15 at 16:33:50
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I recomend 5...Nc6 in my opening lectures. However it has a downside that you can't play for win against much lower-rated opponent.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack
Reply #8 - 01/12/15 at 20:46:07
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What I meant was that the English line 1. c4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nf3 g6!? has long been considered inferior because of 4. e3. I haven't looked at it that much, because I don't play it that way as White, don't have NIC yearbooks, and I have used Palliser's recommendation of 3 ...e5. Apparently, the line has been pretty topical recently, as you mention, and there are quite a few games commented here on Chesspub too. After 4 ...Nf6 5. d4 cxd4 6. exd4 d5 we have transposed to the line in question.

I will correct myself when talking about the 6. Bg5-variation and say it can be very tactical, but I was mainly thinking of the lines with 6...dxc4, which Schandorff recommends (or after e.g. 6...Ne4). 6 ...e6 is for sureolder stuff and more positional (but on the other hand probably a bit better for White, isn't it?). Why the attitude in your response, Kylemeister?

As for OP, I think you should look at all lines and see what the critical answers are. Maybe you can't expect more answers than you have already gotten without being more specific what you don't like. Schandorff e.g. recommends 5...Nc6 6. Bg6 dxc4, which is sharper than what Houska recommends (6...e6). Khalifman gives 5...e6, which often leads to IQP positions. Those contain a fair amount of tactics of course, but as mentioned, that will all the other lines of the Panov do too. None is as slow as the main line CK, IMO.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack
Reply #7 - 01/07/15 at 15:52:53
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Er, I believe 5...Nc6 6. Nf3 g6 has been a rather significant line in recent years, with Yearbook articles on it and whatnot.

6. Bg5 e6 (there are various other moves) is classical stuff; I'm tempted to borrow a phrase from Tarrasch and say that anyone who considers it not positional/strategic/etc. enough should give up chess ...
  
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Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack
Reply #6 - 01/07/15 at 09:39:33
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The line with 6.Nf3 g6 is recommended in Dangerous Weapons: Caro Kann. I wonder if Wesley So got his idea from this source, freely available to us mere mortals ?
  
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Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack
Reply #5 - 01/07/15 at 09:26:57
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The line actually looks very interesting, and transposes after 6. Nf3 g6 to a known line in the English, which I have seen considered slightly better for White. But I am not sure it is that much for White if Black plays accurately.

However, the problem with 5 ...Nc6 from OP's point-of-view is 6. Bg5. I don't see how it fits the criteria of slow, positional and little tactics. On the other hand, if White want to intiate tactics (well-founded, not as desperate measure), the Panov seems excellent for that purpose.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack
Reply #4 - 01/07/15 at 06:07:19
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Why not play what Wesley So did in Vegas last week 5... Nc6 6. Nf3 g6. You avoid the endgame line and keep some pieces on the board, not to mention a 2760 found it good enough to play for a win.
  

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Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack
Reply #3 - 12/13/14 at 07:00:42
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I rather suspect that this is simply trolling.
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Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack
Reply #2 - 12/12/14 at 21:06:37
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Bump.

It's been 4 months, and I'm still looking for an answer.
  
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Re: Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack
Reply #1 - 08/18/14 at 04:32:47
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I dare say that for something approaching "all the differences" you should study a book on it.  5...g6 amounts to a pawn sac, 5...Nc6 can lead to a well-known ending, 5...Nc6 and 5...e6 can both lead to IQP or Panov structure (White playing c5) positions, etc. etc.
  
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Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack
08/18/14 at 01:47:59
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Hello.

In the Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik Attack, after 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4 Nf6 5. Nc3, we reach this position:



I would like to know, for Black, what continuation tends to lead on average to the most solid, positional, slow, closed, quiet and strategic positions (the less sharp positions, the positions which contain the less tactics).

Which 5th move should I play?
5...e6
5...Nc6
5...g6
What are all the differences between these three moves? What are the advantages and disadvantages of each one of them?

Thanks in advance for your answers.
  
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