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Re: Parimarjan N. Book vs. Caro-Kann chapter 27
Reply #11 - 04/18/16 at 09:06:53
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I found other lines for equality for Black like the main line (7... Nd7) with 13... Qb6 as in Wei Yi - Sethuraman and Hou Yifan - So


Thanks for the Game references, could you post PGNs of them?

P.S. I hope you won't have to change your handle to NegiDoesn'tRefute  Cheesy
  
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Re: Parimarjan N. Book vs. Caro-Kann chapter 27
Reply #10 - 04/17/16 at 21:54:44
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Yes White does have 12. Ne4 so instead maybe 11... Be7 and 14... cxd4 with equality I think. Anyway, I found other lines for equality for Black like the main line (7... Nd7) with 13... Qb6 as in Wei Yi - Sethuraman and Hou Yifan - So
  
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Re: Parimarjan N. Book vs. Caro-Kann chapter 27
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In your analysis above, I see the pro of delaying Nbd7 is that it allows a more active Nc6 after a c5 break. However, in your main line, you give Bc3, but not in the sideline after Ne4. Ne4 puts a bit more pressure on Black, and can mess up the kingside with a Nxf6, e.g. 12. Ne4 Nc6 13. Bc3 cd 14. Nxd4 Nb4 15. Nxf6 and I prefer White.

OK, so not answering your original question, but I still like the old plan  Smiley
  
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Re: Parimarjan N. Book vs. Caro-Kann chapter 27
Reply #8 - 04/17/16 at 19:35:01
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Wait... so this should be very theoretically important right? Because it seems Black has comfortable equality against the main line in 3. Nc3...

There seems to be a certain lack of threatening alternatives for white between (7...e6) and (12...Bd6) so certainly if (12...Bd6) works reasonably for black it would be of some importance.

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Wait... so this should be very theoretically important right? Because it seems Black has comfortable equality against the main line in 3. Nc3...
  
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Re: Parimarjan N. Book vs. Caro-Kann chapter 27
Reply #5 - 04/13/16 at 12:56:30
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Erschowieda wrote on 01/04/15 at 17:58:28:
Dear Caro-Kann experts,
I recently bought above mentioned book and looked at chapter 27 (Caro-Kann) which is the following line:
1.e4,c6 2.d4,d5 3.Nd2, dxe4 4.Nxe4, Bf5, 5.Ng3, Bg6 6.h4,h6 7.Nf3, e6 8.Ne5, Bh7 9.Bd3, Bxd3 10.Qxd3, Nd7 11.f4, Bb4+ 12.c3 - I am interested in 12...Bd6 (instead of Be7). On Bd6 Negi only gives 13.Nh5! N without analysis - just saying 13.Nh5!N, which is more powerful here than in the main line below, as Black cannot take on h4. I wonder how the line continues for white after 13...Ndf6  e.g. 14.Nxg7+, Kf8 15.Nxe6+ (what else - Qg3 does not work as Rh7 will follow an 16.f5 does not work as the Ng8 covers h6 pawn) fxe6; 16.Ng6+,Kg7 17.Nxh8,Kxh8 18.Bd2, Qa5

any thougts, ideas, proposals will be aprecciated how white can get an advantage here.
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Don't know how to gain advantage. Reckon some fairly serious analysis is needed.

JEH wrote on 04/13/16 at 06:40:18:
If White doesn't try to "punish" Black's omission of Nd7 with the Ne5/f4 plan and carries on with the normal h5/Bd3 plan, has Black got anything better than transposing back into the Main line, and if so, doesn't playing this move order just give White another option that Black has to study

Negi does not seem to believe in 8.h5 (see Negi p.419). The problem seems to be that black can delay Nd7 and probably benefit. The following is given as an example:

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Re: Parimarjan N. Book vs. Caro-Kann chapter 27
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If White doesn't try to "punish" Black's omission of Nd7 with the Ne5/f4 plan and carries on with the normal h5/Bd3 plan, has Black got anything better than transposing back into the Main line, and if so, doesn't playing this move order just give White another option that Black has to study  Huh
  
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Reply #3 - 04/12/16 at 17:24:22
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Well, if this line is playable, I probably will be playing the Caro-Kann...

Perhaps White can go 13. Bd2 after Bd6. Then White can go 0-0-0, Ne2, g4 etc. Black is equal if he knows what he is doing but he needs to be careful when to play ...c5 or ...h5.
  
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Re: Parimarjan N. Book vs. Caro-Kann chapter 27
Reply #2 - 04/12/16 at 13:17:55
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Erschowieda wrote on 01/04/15 at 17:58:28:
I am interested in 12...Bd6 (instead of Be7). On Bd6 Negi only gives 13.Nh5! N without analysis


There are a couple of recent games with 12...Bd6 in the PGN Archive, annotated by Neil. In his notes he covers 13 Nh5 (which is unplayed, I think) and suggests the more natural 13...Ngf6, which seems more than fine - see his analysis.
  
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Re: Parimarjan N. Book vs. Caro-Kann chapter 27
Reply #1 - 04/10/16 at 17:57:29
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Couldn't find anything, maybe trying 11. Bf4 is better.
  
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Parimarjan N. Book vs. Caro-Kann chapter 27
01/04/15 at 17:58:28
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Dear Caro-Kann experts,
I recently bought above mentioned book and looked at chapter 27 (Caro-Kann) which is the following line:
1.e4,c6 2.d4,d5 3.Nd2, dxe4 4.Nxe4, Bf5, 5.Ng3, Bg6 6.h4,h6 7.Nf3, e6 8.Ne5, Bh7 9.Bd3, Bxd3 10.Qxd3, Nd7 11.f4, Bb4+ 12.c3 - I am interested in 12...Bd6 (instead of Be7). On Bd6 Negi only gives 13.Nh5! N without analysis - just saying 13.Nh5!N, which is more powerful here than in the main line below, as Black cannot take on h4. I wonder how the line continues for white after 13...Ndf6  e.g. 14.Nxg7+, Kf8 15.Nxe6+ (what else - Qg3 does not work as Rh7 will follow an 16.f5 does not work as the Ng8 covers h6 pawn) fxe6; 16.Ng6+,Kg7 17.Nxh8,Kxh8 18.Bd2, Qa5

any thougts, ideas, proposals will be aprecciated how white can get an advantage here.
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