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Re: Lilov Austrian v Pirc
Reply #17 - 09/05/15 at 20:36:42
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Bibs wrote on 08/14/15 at 02:09:30:
Confess, it's a line that interests me.


P.S. If you like learning via DVD format, and want coverage of  a main line Austrian rep vs the Pirc and Modern, you've got Bologan's Taming DVD. No tank top or Star Trek outfit in this one. Sharp suit instead. Must bode well. Cool
  

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Re: Lilov Austrian v Pirc
Reply #16 - 09/05/15 at 17:36:17
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kylemeister wrote on 09/05/15 at 17:21:04:
I guess this is where I say that 6. e5 Nfd7 7. Bc4 is hardly new.  I recalled a two-parter on it in the Yearbook in 2013, but it appears in books going back at least to the 1960s.

I'm not surprised to hear that. I meant new as in "recently recognized as more dangerous than everybody assumed for decades", not new as in "N" Wink
  

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Re: Lilov Austrian v Pirc
Reply #15 - 09/05/15 at 17:21:04
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Stigma wrote on 09/05/15 at 15:49:56:
I will mention Hillarp Persson's The Modern Tiger again; there are more Pirc transpositions included this time compared to Tiger's Modern, including a complete, well-researched "backup repertoire" with lots of new analysis in the Austrian Pirc with 5...0-0 (6.Bd3 Nc6; 6.Be3 b6; 6.Be2 c5). He also takes the new, dangerous line 6.e5 Nfd7 7.Bc4!? very seriously; I'm leaning towards 6...dxe5 instead because this looks dangerous. For some reason 6.e5 is hardly ever played against me, but maybe that will change now.


I guess this is where I say that 6. e5 Nfd7 7. Bc4 is hardly new.  I recalled a two-parter on it in the Yearbook in 2013, but it appears in books going back at least to the 1960s.
  
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Re: Lilov Austrian v Pirc
Reply #14 - 09/05/15 at 16:10:05
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Stigma wrote on 09/05/15 at 15:49:56:
It will be interesting to see which line Marin prefers.




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Marin has 6. ...Nbd7

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Reply #13 - 09/05/15 at 15:49:56
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A shame about the Lilov DVD Sad

I will mention Hillarp Persson's The Modern Tiger again; there are more Pirc transpositions included this time compared to Tiger's Modern, including a complete, well-researched "backup repertoire" with lots of new analysis in the Austrian Pirc with 5...0-0 (6.Bd3 Nc6; 6.Be3 b6; 6.Be2 c5). He also takes the new, dangerous line 6.e5 Nfd7 7.Bc4!? very seriously; I'm leaning towards 6...dxe5 instead because this looks dangerous. For some reason 6.e5 is hardly ever played against me, but maybe that will change now.

I've never managed to settle on one line against 6.Bd3. 6...Na6 was well covered on the Davies DVD and in Vigus' books; in my experience it's riskier than 6...Nc6 but may give more winning chances. It will be interesting to see which line Marin prefers.
  

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Re: Lilov Austrian v Pirc
Reply #12 - 09/05/15 at 15:31:13
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Bibs wrote on 09/05/15 at 14:16:58:
You'll just have to wait till Feb then:
http://www.chess-stars.com/Future_Plans.html


A Complete Black repertoire book based on the Pirc and the KI
by Alexei Kornev

Expected in February 2016

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Re: Lilov Austrian v Pirc
Reply #11 - 09/05/15 at 15:28:54
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RoleyPoley wrote on 09/05/15 at 14:15:53:
i'm completely new to the Pirc and was thinking of having a look at the Marin ones.


Marin's rep also follows the principled route of castling into it which solves some move order problems, but is very dangerous too!

With the Pirc, at least you have choices.
  

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Re: Lilov Austrian v Pirc
Reply #10 - 09/05/15 at 15:19:34
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Bibs wrote on 09/05/15 at 14:19:49:
Davies one is decent, yes. Marin very good.


Yes, Davies decent, I like his solid line vs the Austrian. Rest of his rep complements Pirc Alert!, but the lines need some work.

I like Marin's DVDs a lot, even if his line vs the Austrian is



But as he points out, you are trying to win with Black!

Much preferred Bojkov's 1 hour on the Classical rep over Lilov, even if he did cheekily add an improvement for Black on his DVD repertoire.

There's an Andrew Martin 3 volume DVD repertoire for the Pirc and also another 3 volume one for the Modern!

Wow, all this material, and the defence still sucks  Wink
  

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Re: Lilov Austrian v Pirc
Reply #9 - 09/05/15 at 15:08:23
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RoleyPoley wrote on 09/05/15 at 14:15:53:
Is the line given in Greet still as dangerous, or has black now found an antidote?


It's a very dangerous practical weapon which has mowed down many an unprepared Pirc defender, myself included. I think Lahno's line seems to hold though.

I think the dc/Bd3 mainline is a decent practical weapon too, just play a Dragon middlegame and let the best player win [I am assuming you are the best player Smiley]

If you want to prove advantage to White, I think you need to go for the mainline chaos Bb5+ Cheesy
  

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Re: Lilov Austrian v Pirc
Reply #8 - 09/05/15 at 14:19:49
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Davies one is decent, yes. Marin very good.
Use with the Vigus books, check yer database and TWIC, check anything here, and you are fairly well set.

RoleyPoley wrote on 09/05/15 at 14:15:53:
JEH wrote on 09/05/15 at 14:11:01:
Bibs wrote on 09/05/15 at 13:52:33:
Oh, Lilov is still completely sh** then.
I was amazed that someone could be as bad as Dzinzi, but he is. Sorry you paid any money.


Seems I took one for team  Smiley


I guess if anyone plays this against you, you are aware of it's flaws  Wink

Is the line given in Greet still as dangerous, or has black now found an antidote?

How about the other dvd's? I've started watching the one by Davies as i'm completely new to the Pirc and was thinking of having a look at the Marin ones.

  
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Reply #7 - 09/05/15 at 14:16:58
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Amazing that Chessbase keep employing him. Just dire. Nothing to say, and says it badly.
You'll just have to wait till Feb then:
http://www.chess-stars.com/Future_Plans.html
  
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Re: Lilov Austrian v Pirc
Reply #6 - 09/05/15 at 14:15:53
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JEH wrote on 09/05/15 at 14:11:01:
Bibs wrote on 09/05/15 at 13:52:33:
Oh, Lilov is still completely sh** then.
I was amazed that someone could be as bad as Dzinzi, but he is. Sorry you paid any money.


Seems I took one for team  Smiley


I guess if anyone plays this against you, you are aware of it's flaws  Wink

Is the line given in Greet still as dangerous, or has black now found an antidote?

How about the other dvd's? I've started watching the one by Davies as i'm completely new to the Pirc and was thinking of having a look at the Marin ones.
  

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Re: Lilov Austrian v Pirc
Reply #5 - 09/05/15 at 14:11:01
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Bibs wrote on 09/05/15 at 13:52:33:
Oh, Lilov is still completely sh** then.
I was amazed that someone could be as bad as Dzinzi, but he is. Sorry you paid any money.


Seems I took one for the team  Smiley
  

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Reply #4 - 09/05/15 at 13:52:33
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Oh, Lilov is still completely sh** then.
I was amazed that someone could be as bad as Dzinzi, but he is. Sorry you paid any money.
  
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Re: Lilov Austrian v Pirc
Reply #3 - 09/05/15 at 12:48:45
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Very disappointed in this one.  Sad

I didn't even spend the whole hour on it, skipping out of his chosen games where Black plays inferior moves and so are of little use.

He bombs through some theory which you can probably get from any decent books. I see nothing new offered.

Doesn't suggest a repertoire for White. e.g. against 5. ...c5 he whizzes through the Bb5+ mainline stuff, Shirov's Bxd7 and dc without showing me anything new.

In the dc/Qd4 line, I completely disagree of his assessment of the exchange sac line (also given in Andrew Greet's book). Tiger Lilov thinks it is unplayable for Black and the ending is better for White. No game or analysis offered.

But look at e.g.



White just has nothing here I think. There, I think I've offered more theoretical contribution than this whole presentation  Angry
  

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