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Accelerated Classical (Be3, Nf3, h3 in some order)    
  1 (2.9%)
Accelerated Classical w/o h3 (Be3, Nf3 some order)    
  0 (0.0%)
Archbishop with bishop (Be3, h3, g4 some order)    
  3 (8.8%)
Archbishop with knight (Nge2, h3, g4 some order)    
  0 (0.0%)
Argentinian (Be3, f3, Qd2 in some order)    
  2 (5.9%)
Argentinian hurried (4.f3, 5.g4)    
  0 (0.0%)
Austrian (4.f4)    
  11 (32.4%)
Austrian delayed (Be3, h3, f4 in some order)    
  2 (5.9%)
Byrne (4.Bg5)    
  6 (17.6%)
Classical (4.Nf3, 5.Be2)    
  3 (8.8%)
Double bishop (Be3, Be2 in some order)    
  0 (0.0%)
Fianchetto (4.g3)    
  1 (2.9%)
One fifty (4.Be3, 5.Qd2)    
  2 (5.9%)
One fifty with Nf3 (Be3, Qd2, Nf3 in some order)    
  2 (5.9%)
Other line    
  1 (2.9%)




Total votes: 34
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There is now only a few days remaining to vote if you have not already done so.

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Glad your 'in it' again.

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Many thanks for this, CbT, and sorry i didn't say so earlier! I've been 'out of it' lately with a lethal combination of overwork and flu-bug, but I look forward to re-engaging with the Pirc! When I looked briefly at your lines initially I liked the look of them ...
  
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Reply #26 - 12/10/15 at 08:10:49
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Hello.

Michael Ayton wrote on 12/05/15 at 01:41:18:
I was just a bit surprised you do not prefer Kramnik's 4 ..a6, I guess, though I do not know what to do against 5 h3 (5 ...Bg7 6 f4) here -- does anyone?

Vigus in Chess Developments the Pirc (Everyman Chess 2012) shows (on p.168-171) a few pitfalls and interesting ideas in the 4...a6 5.h3 line. After your:

(1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 a6 5.h3 Bg7 6.f4)

he gives:

(1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 a6 5.h3 Bg7 6.f4 0-0 7.Nf3 Nc6) plus also (7...b5) and (7...e6) and seems to slightly favour 7...Nc6.

Personally (and I don't often play 4...a6, be aware) I would instead of the above mentioned moves consider:

(1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 a6 5.h3 Bg7 6.f4 0-0 7.Nf3 Nfd7!?)

With the point that white on his next move ideally would like to develop his light square bishop to a nice square (basically d3) or possibly make some active move like e5. However considering that black can now hit white with a fast c5 he may have to do something else; less in accord with the demands of the position. A few continuations for example:

(8.e5 c5) With counterplay.
(8.Bd3 c5) The tension in the centre favours black who can further improve his position with b7-b5 quite easily.
(8.h4 Nf6) It seems unlikely that any attack would succeed after white has given up the kingside light squares.
(8.g4 b5!?) In the structure after b5 it is not really certain that white would have liked to play g2-g4.
(8.Be2 c5) White's position does not seem that threatening after he posts the bishop on e2.
(8.Qd2 b5) And while white has reasonable coordination and still some chances for aggression one can ask if queen really belongs on d2. Maybe using the fact that the queen defends e3 by going
9.h4!? Nf6 10.e5! Ng4 (not forced but natural) 11.h5 can be mildly dangerous, but the position does not seem that clear.

Michael Ayton wrote on 12/07/15 at 22:57:47:
In the 4 Be3 a6 5 g4 line, I reckon 5 ...Nbd7!? is OK here as well after:

I 6 g4 b5 7 g5 Nh5 7 Be2 Bb7!
II 6 f4 b5 7 e5 b4!
III 6 Nf3 e5! 7 de de 8 Bc4 Bg7 9 0-0 0-0.

Does Moskalenko say anything about this, I wonder?


Nope. After he (1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 a6 5.h3) he dribbles himself away by writing that after 5...Bg7 6.a4 the position transposes into one of his illustrative games  Roll Eyes (see the Perfect Pirc Modern p.151).

Thus the variation with 5.h3 followed by f4 is not covered. There is decent coverage of 5.f4 though, instead of 5.h3.

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Reply #25 - 12/10/15 at 06:24:25
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Hello.

I thought of making some kind of regular poll reading if in three months time one would like to look back and see how the poll has progressed.

Just over a week in to the poll Austrian (8 votes) and Byrne (6 votes) together have about 60% of all votes cast.
The other options which have received votes are: Archbishop with bishop (3), Argentinian (2), Classical (2), One fifty (1) and Other line (1).

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4. Le3 c6 5. h3 I think either move is fine, you can play either 5...Sbd7 or 5...Lg7. You can play that line iwth 7...Sb6 if you want. But the setup I talking about is like 7...Lb7 8. Lg2 Sb6 9. b3 a5!? trying to get the pawn phalanx with b4-c5-d6-e7. You can let the bishop on f8 for the time. With 7...Sb6 there is 8. d5 but 8...Lb7 should be fine I think. 9. dxc6 Lxc6 and White overextended.

7...Sb6 then 8. g5 Sfd7 9. h4 h5 10. d5 Lb7 like abowe, or 9...Lb7 10. h5 Tg8!? and your plawn is ...a5 and try to push b4 and c5 again. For example 11. Df3 a5.


Thanks for this confirmation that Black has respectable answers to the Archbishop! I always thought so, but I must admit I had overlooked the logical 7 ...Bb7 here, meeting 8 Bg2 with 8 ...Nb6. Obviously 8 g5 is possible, but the typical 'North Sea' plan with 8 ...Nh5 looks decent.

And it seems 7 ...Nb6 is perhaps OK too. After 8 g5 Nfd7 9 h4 here I don't greatly like giving White so much space with 9 ...Bb7; but, after 9 ...h5 10 d5, I wonder if Black shouldn't play 10 ...cxd5 11 cxd5 a6 12 Bd4 Rg8 instead of 10 ...Bb7 11 Bd4 Rg8 12 dxc6 bxc6 13 Bb5 winning a pawn. But, back on move 8, I guess Black can go 8 ...Nh5 here too (9 d5 Bb7)! -- in other words, perhaps he doesn't have to put the Knight on the newly freed d7 square just because he can!

In the 4 Be3 a6 5 g4 line, I reckon 5 ...Nbd7!? is OK here as well after:

I 6 g4 b5 7 g5 Nh5 7 Be2 Bb7!
II 6 f4 b5 7 e5 b4!
III 6 Nf3 e5! 7 de de 8 Bc4 Bg7 9 0-0 0-0.

Does Moskalenko say anything about this, I wonder?



  
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gramsci wrote on 12/07/15 at 07:55:53:
That's the point: what to play then against the Modern where Bg5 seems less effective?
                   



The Austrian attack, which even the Modern Tiger offers transposing back to the Pirc as a safer option  Huh
  

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JEH wrote on 12/05/15 at 08:57:46:
Some avoid it by playing 1. ...g6!

That's the point: what to play then against the Modern where Bg5 seems less effective?
  
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I see unsurprisingly that the Byrne Bg5 is scoring well in the poll and in practice. Another dangerous system that can be combined with an f4 push.

I've been trying the castling into it approach, offering a transposition into Be3 lines after Bh6.

Some avoid it by playing 1. ...g6!

It's time to Byrne!

  

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Reply #20 - 12/05/15 at 03:51:36
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Michael Ayton wrote on 12/05/15 at 01:41:18:
Could you be a bit more specific? Also do you think the Archbishop Attack can be successfully dealt with, and if so should Black, after 4 Be3 c6 5 h3, play 5 ...Nbd7 6 g4 b5 7 a3 Nb6!? (when engines seem to think s/he has enough counterplay), or maybe 5 ...Qa5 ?

I was just a bit surprised you do not prefer Kramnik's 4 ..a6, I guess, though I do not know what to do against 5 h3 (5 ...Bg7 6 f4) here -- does anyone?


4. Le3 c6 5. h3 I think either move is fine, you can play either 5...Sbd7 or 5...Lg7. You can play that line iwth 7...Sb6 if you want. But the setup I talking about is like 7...Lb7 8. Lg2 Sb6 9. b3 a5!? trying to get the pawn phalanx with b4-c5-d6-e7. You can let the bishop on f8 for the time. With 7...Sb6 there is 8. d5 but 8...Lb7 should be fine I think. 9. dxc6 Lxc6 and White overextended.

7...Sb6 then 8. g5 Sfd7 9. h4 h5 10. d5 Lb7 like abowe, or 9...Lb7 10. h5 Tg8!? and your plawn is ...a5 and try to push b4 and c5 again. For example 11. Df3 a5.

Then you also can play 5...Lg7 instead.

Black also has good options just as much as White has "good" options, Blacks three main moves are 4...c6, 4...a6, and 4...Lg7. You can play 4...Lg7 like Marin or 4...a6 like Kramnik. 

If you really prefer 4...Lg7, look at bog of Vigus (both the 2006 and 2012) as well as the 2009 bog by Vigus/McNab/Palliser. Also DVD of Marin (Attacking lines, Volume 2). It has coverage of 4...Lg7 for Black.

And White has to learn to play against all three if she wants to play 4. Le3. Does not seem so easy for White to me  Cool
  
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Reply #19 - 12/05/15 at 01:41:18
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Great to see some discussion going on the Pirc, a fascinating defence which, whatever its 'ultimate' status might be, can lead to wonderfully strategically and tactically rich positions. An added attraction, I think, is that theory in some lines is pretty volatile or even quite inchoate and will quite possibly change and grow quite profoundly quite quickly. It's conventionally said (e.g. by Kasparov) that it's none too practical a defence since Black has to be ready for a wide range of quite dangerous lines and sub-lines. I'm sure there's truth in this but I think there are counter-truths as well. For example, after 1 ...d6 Black is actually probably going to see the Pirc on the board, which is often more than might be said for a given pet Sicilian line! This means that Black can successfully specialise and thus compensate for some of the practical difficulties the defence involves. Another benefit -- and obviously this is entirely subjective -- might be transpositional: with 1 d4 d6!?, for instance, you might be able to reach KiD or KID-related setups you like (e.g. 2 c4 e5, of course) while denying (by delaying ...Nf6) White some choices you might find tedious.

@ DenVerdsligeRejsende -- you write that [after 4 Be3 c6] you often

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seek counterplay with ...b4, and press the ...c5 lever. Keep the tension like this unless White defines it. Otherwise keep developing. I often have the double fianchetto going in this line.


Could you be a bit more specific? Also do you think the Archbishop Attack can be successfully dealt with, and if so should Black, after 4 Be3 c6 5 h3, play 5 ...Nbd7 6 g4 b5 7 a3 Nb6!? (when engines seem to think s/he has enough counterplay), or maybe 5 ...Qa5 ?

I was just a bit surprised you do not prefer Kramnik's 4 ..a6, I guess, though I do not know what to do against 5 h3 (5 ...Bg7 6 f4) here -- does anyone?
  
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DenVerdsligeRejsende wrote on 12/04/15 at 10:14:25:
Having some people call the Pirc unsound but I have better results against around the same level opposition than the Sicilian and French!


But you having better results with that opening than another is not really about soundness, but you playing better from the resulting positions I guess. I don't know if the Pirc is unsound, but anyway, there are many openings that may be unsound and still pretty strong players win with them. Remember, Miles even beat Karpov with 1...e6  Wink
  
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DenVerdsligeRejsende wrote on 12/04/15 at 10:14:25:
And German notation? It is also Skandinavian notation 



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Reply #16 - 12/04/15 at 10:14:25
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JEH wrote on 12/04/15 at 10:10:05:
I play the Pirc and score less well against the Pirc/Modern too which is odd. Maybe something psychological about playing against your own defence.

P.S. I'm also getting better at reading German style notation 


Not sure about that, because I also play the Sicilian, French, and Caro. If I want a must-win defence, I turn to the Pirc. Which is why this poll feels a bit weird. Having some people call the Pirc unsound but I have better results against around the same level opposition than the Sicilian and French!

And German notation? It is also Skandinavian notation  Cool
  
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DenVerdsligeRejsende wrote on 12/03/15 at 22:38:20:
Maybe that also and my problems with playing White. I mean at least I won a lot more times against the Sicilian, French, and 1...e5 than the Pirc 


I play the Pirc and score less well against the Pirc/Modern too which is odd. Maybe something psychological about playing against your own defence.  Huh

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I have a better record with the Pirc than the Sicilian and French, but I am not disturbed if people underestimate it. If 1. e4 players think that they can just play it by wings and throw the pawns up the board, play Dd2 and Lh6 and win, it just does not work that way.

As a Pirc player, I am not really afraid of the Austrian. It is sharp, but not like the Botwinnik Semi-Slaw nor Najdorf 6. Lg5. As a player of Pirc, you have to analyse a lot by yourself, and often come up with new positions and analyses. I analyse for example main line with 9. Lc4 Sd7 interesting after the 8...Lg4, which I think is the best choice ws. Austrian. I analysed this last night for hours with Komodo 7 and Stockfish running, and I dare say that I would try this against a 2500-2600 (I already played Pirc against 2530 last time), so from what I can see Black can get counterplay, but you must do home analyses on your own. I analysed some of it to past move 25 even if unncessary, because a 1. e4 player is usually not that booked up on this line to just remember everything given that the Pirc is less common than the Sicilian or French.

For 6. e5 in the Austrian after 5...0-0, I played 6...Sfd7 7. Lc4 Sb6 8. Lb3 and then I had some problems in the opening. So I would play 6...dxe5 7. fxe5 Sd5 8. Lc4 Le6 9. Sxd5 Lxd5 10. Lxd5 Dxd5 11. De2 and I think Black has quite a few interesting possibilities here. I analysed this for about a week and I came up with some stuff. I may have went overbord because some I analysed past move 40. I leave it at that Smiley

I skould also mention, in tournament play, when I played 1. e4, which is actually a years ago, I faced the Pirc rather rarely. But when I did play against it, I had a  bad record. 0 wins and something like 3 losses against 2250, 2300, 2400 and 1 draw against a lower rated. One loss I was already probably -4 by move 20. I used to play the 150 Attack, thinking I can just win by castling and launching the pawns on the kingside. Instead what happens is that I end up being mated. Maybe that also and my problems with playing White. I mean at least I won a lot more times against the Sicilian, French, and 1...e5 than the Pirc Cheesy
  
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4.Be3 5.Qd2 allows white at my level (~Elo 2000) to wait for Blacks decisions and react accordingly. B.e. Bh6 only after Bg7 or Ng4 - Bg5 or 0-0-0 according to the position and fighting mood.

As I don't know the the theoretical lines this gives a way to get a game against Pirc and the Modern, which both doesn't appear so often in my games. Looking for those ideas allows preparing more important openings.
  

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MartinC wrote on 12/02/15 at 15:33:46:
Poll probably very slightly misguided in that the basic 'problem' is probably more that white has a lot of at least moderately dangerous options rather than one specifically terrifying one.

Maybe.

I considered a multiple votes enabled poll to allow people to pick a few dangerous lines. I thought this would dilute the value of the result quite much though.

kevinludwig wrote on 12/02/15 at 18:31:50:
I see the poll now, but it doesn't accurately reflect that white can choose between the Argentinian (Be3/Qd2/f3) and Be3/Qd2/Bd3/0-0, depending on how black chooses to defend (e.g. the recommendations I have seen are that white should play Be3, Qd2, and if black commits to Bg7 then f3 and all out attack, or if black delays Bg7 (with c6, b5, Nbd7, etc.) then Bd3 and 0-0 and try to exploit queenside weaknesses.

There are branching points in the various variations listed. The poll cannot account for these branches though, because of space reasons. Anyway, to get to this branching point you play the "One fifty (4.Be3, 5.Qd2)" so this is where the vote should fall even if it is not until later you really define your setup.

kevinludwig wrote on 12/02/15 at 18:31:50:
Also I don't see the g3/h3/Bg2/Nge2 stuff, which I thought was a decent option for white.

"Fianchetto (4.g3)" would be the poll option in this case.

Gut Gambit wrote on 12/02/15 at 20:17:46:
Checking the statistics in my updated TWIC-base, Byrnes move 4.Bg5 is the best scoring move.

Interesting that white scores so well in practice.

kylemeister wrote on 12/02/15 at 21:27:52:
A few updates ago Milos Pavlovic referred to the Austrian as "dangerous" and "probably one of the best systems for White."  I doubt it's just a matter of White choosing between a forced draw, a harmless variation or an inferior endgame ...

What puts me off 5...c5 is mainly:

(1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.0-0 c5 6.dxc5 Qa5 7.Qd4)
Where I've managed to convince myself that black needs either to play 7...dxc5 (ugh...) or 7...0-0 with a forcing line ending up in an endgame.

+

(1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.0-0 c5 6.Bb5+ Bd7 7.e5 Ng4 8.Bxd7+ Qxd7 9.d5 dxe5 10.h3 e4 11.hxg4)
Where I need to know many more pretty much forcing moves.

also there is the draw issue, where you need to consider if you want to play

(1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.0-0 c5 6.Bb5+ Bd7 7.e5 Ng4 8.e6 Bxb5 9.Kf8 (9...Kd7)

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A few updates ago Milos Pavlovic referred to the Austrian as "dangerous" and "probably one of the best systems for White."  I doubt it's just a matter of White choosing between a forced draw, a harmless variation or an inferior endgame ...
  
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Checking the statistics in my updated TWIC-base, Byrnes move 4.Bg5 is the best scoring move. Moreover, after the very natural 4...Bg7, white has no less than three good options:

5.f4
5.Qd2 and also
5.e5

White scores heavily in these lines (over 60% in each line).

However, I dont have Megabase 2016.I suppose this database contains more games and so could provide another variation as "best".

I dont know very much on the Pirc system. But the 4.Bg5 must be of practical consern for Pirc players, in addition to other lines already mentioned.

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I do not understand this so much, the Pirc is sound I do not why it is so much pressurised, it might be me biased but the Pirc is my main Black opening for 1. e4. Smiley

The Austrian is dangerous for both White and Black. If Black makes a mistake in some of the sharp positions, she can lose badly. But also if White mishandles the position, Black can destroy the centre and White can end up in a clearly worse or ,lost position as well. It works both ways. It is not like the Austraian guarantees a win for White.

I found that the Argentinian 4. Le3 variations with f3 and g4 are kind of trying to mimik the Jugoslaw in the Dragon. But I play 4...c6 and delay ...Lg7, usually the main line with ....Sbd7/...b5. There is some analyses in the bog of Moskalenko and I think Vigus here. Personally I prefer to play Black here. You can even play ...Tg8 or allow the exchange if White wants to force h5 you go ...Sg7 and allow the hxg6 hxg6 and just go on with ...b4 and stuff.

As a 4. Le3 c6 player, the 4. Le3 with h3, bluffing to guess Black if she tries g4 is a bit more challenging. I did quite a lot of analysis here and read some of the bogs of Vigus (Chess Developments) and Moskalenko bog. I am looking at my file for this line, and what I often do is to seek counterplay with ...b4, and press the ...c5 lever. Keep the tension like this unless White defines it. Otherwise keep developing. I often have the double fianchetto going in this line. If I had to play White (I would not Cheesy), I would probably choose this as the most challening like to try for some advantage (although I would work to neutralise it as Black Smiley

Austrian Delayed is kind of similar, where you play f4 if Black does something else. I would play the same setup here.

Any 150 stuff I am just not scared of. It is played a lot though, Black has a few setups, if you want the delay the fianchetto and do ...Sbd7/...b5. If you want ...Lg7 you can, but you kind of give White her goal. I prefer the delayed fianchetto by forcing ...b5 or at least if you fianchetto go ...e5 to fix the pawn structure. Positionally I like playing Black here.

The Classical I go 6. 0-0 c6. I just see no White advantage here. It is just a game where a better player wins. I lost a game last time in the tournament I played this line as Black. But okay, the opponent was a GM. Just going like a KID where White has no useful c4 in the pawn phalanx makes it more comfortable for Black than in the KID to me.

Accelerated Classical I just aim to setup ...c6 and ...e5 and let it fix the pawn structure and try to use the tempo White spent on h3 to set the desired pawn structure as quick as possible.

Everything else to me is not critical. Theoretically critical, that will say. The other lines are just to get a game and play. Whoever plays better middlegame and endgame after the opening phase in lines like 4. g3 or stuff like the Classical should win.

Summary: White has a lot of options, yes, but Black does too. It is a flexible defence, as far as I know the aim is to react based on how White does with all sorts of attacking options. For all reactions is there an equal and opposite reaction.

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Re: B07-B09: Pirc defence best line Poll
Reply #7 - 12/02/15 at 18:31:50
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why would the austrian be an issue? if black plays the c5 line, isn't white choosing between a relatively harmless sicilian like variation, or a forced draw, or an inferior endgame? It was certainly never the thing I was afraid of when I played the pirc.

I can't vote but I would think the Be3, Qd2 lines where white can switch back to kingside castling (whatever that's called) would be one top choice.

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I see the poll now, but it doesn't accurately reflect that white can choose between the Argentinian (Be3/Qd2/f3) and Be3/Qd2/Bd3/0-0, depending on how black chooses to defend (e.g. the recommendations I have seen are that white should play Be3, Qd2, and if black commits to Bg7 then f3 and all out attack, or if black delays Bg7 (with c6, b5, Nbd7, etc.) then Bd3 and 0-0 and try to exploit queenside weaknesses.

Also I don't see the g3/h3/Bg2/Nge2 stuff, which I thought was a decent option for white.
  
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Re: B07-B09: Pirc defence best line Poll
Reply #6 - 12/02/15 at 16:59:11
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MartinC wrote on 12/02/15 at 15:33:46:
You'd have thought the 150 might give the Austrian a close run?


I think the 150 is fine for Black in theory.

Closer runners I would think would be the Argentinian, the Bg5 Byrne and the Karpov Classical

MartinC wrote on 12/02/15 at 15:33:46:
Poll probably very slightly misguided in that the basic 'problem' is probably more that white has a lot of at least moderately dangerous options rather than one specifically terrifying one.


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MartinC wrote on 12/02/15 at 15:33:46:
You'd have thought the 150 might give the Austrian a close run?


I think the 150 is fine for Black in theory.

Closer runners I would think would be the Argentinian and the Karpov Classical
  

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You'd have thought the 150 might give the Austrian a close run?

Poll probably very slightly misguided in that the basic 'problem' is probably more that white has a lot of at least moderately dangerous options rather than one specifically terrifying one.
  
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Re: B07-B09: Pirc defence best line Poll
Reply #3 - 12/02/15 at 14:31:17
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Hi.

JEH wrote on 12/02/15 at 10:39:02:
I would be surprised if it isn't the Austrian by a large margin.

Well yea. Very likely.

I would still expect some kind of spread. As I'm writing this the Austrian has four out of five votes (80%) though, so we will see about that.

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I would be surprised if it isn't the Austrian by a large margin.
  

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I said Archbishop with Be3.
For no other reason than that it was me who named it that.
  
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B07-B09: Pirc defence best line Poll
12/02/15 at 08:09:17
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Hello Chesspub.

The Pirc defence:
(1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6)
Is an opening that seems to have its soundness questioned from time to time here on chesspublishing forum. I have wondered why this is. To help find out I thought of making this poll about various lines in the Pirc. We will see how the answers stack up in a few months, though feel free to discuss in the comment section until then. If answering other line feel free to specify what in the comment section.

About the poll:
Poll running time 90 days.
Members poll
One option poll
Lines listed alphabetically.
Line names not claimed to be in universal use.

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