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Re: Best Italian Repertoire Book?
Reply #20 - 08/23/17 at 05:04:00
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I think TN has convinced me. I'll probably give up the Ruy Lopez for the Italian (with the 4.0-0 move order) and maybe play the Scotch Gambit too. I like the idea of the Italian being somewhat of a system opening, where you aren't required to learn tons of lines that that are very different from each other. The Italian seems more like you're just playing a game of chess.
  
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Re: Best Italian Repertoire Book?
Reply #19 - 08/23/17 at 04:35:00
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Books wont help you much these days, if they ever did, check the latest games.
  
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Re: Best Italian Repertoire Book?
Reply #18 - 08/22/17 at 23:00:02
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Italian is the easiest to start with - after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3 you could play Bb3/0-0/Nbd2/h3/Re1/Nf1-g3/d4(Bc2) almost as a system opening - a bit like a Ruy Lopez but where you don't have to consider what to do against 3...f5, the Berlin, the Open Spanish, etc. Keep in mind that you can reach the Scotch Gambit positions with 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d4 exd4 or 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 - so it would not be difficult to incorporate the more direct approach later.

To be successful with the d3 Spanish lines, it's quite important to have experience with and understanding of the classical Re1 lines, as similar positions often arise when White later plays d3-d4 (having avoided immediate ...Bg4 counterplay).

Btw, to not give the wrong impression, Muller/Souleidis do have a chapter on 'other approaches' in their book where they include the a4 approach, but in my view one would need quite a bit more knowledge to play it successfully today.
  

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Re: Best Italian Repertoire Book?
Reply #17 - 08/22/17 at 22:32:45
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Thanks TN. I'm trying to decide whether to play the Italian, Scotch Gambit, or stick to the Ruy Lopez and pick up McDonald's Move by Move book. Choices, choices...  Tongue
  
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Reply #16 - 08/22/17 at 20:48:53
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Yes, it's still useful, and it also gives you some extra options against the 4...Nf6 5.d3 0-0 move order. I don't think Avrukh's 'Repertoire against the Modern Italian' database was mentioned, but I think it's a good starting point from Black's POV, though the fashionability of the Italian means that any book quickly falls out of date!

So I will say the best Italian repertoire book is yet to be written - namely, the one concentrating on the fashionable a4 approach. The article on the Italian Game in the 50 Moves Magazine is already out of date, but may serve as a useful starting point for White in this line. Sokolov also nicely annotated an Italian game from the Olympiad in the first 'American Chess Magazine'.

  

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Reply #15 - 08/22/17 at 08:11:31
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Is the majority of the Winning with the Slow Italian book still useful for people who prefer to use Saric's move order with 4.0-0? Or does that move order require knowledge of a bunch of lines not found in the book?
  
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Re: Best Italian Repertoire Book?
Reply #14 - 11/13/16 at 01:29:36
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Fllg wrote on 06/06/16 at 20:29:13:
Black is fine after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3 0-0 6.0-0 d5, one reason being the line 7.exd5 Nxd5 8.b4 Be7! 9.b5 Na5 10.Bxd5 Qxd5 11.c4 Qd7 12.Bd2 e4 13.Bxa5 exf3 14.Qxf3 a6! with good compensation for Black. Of course White has other possibilities here which may be more challenging.


Regarding 6. 0-0 Emms agrees on p. 66 that "it's early days" and "it will be interesting too see how this relatively fresh line progresses." But the line he actually recommends is 6. b4 which I play and am very happy with.
  
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Reply #13 - 06/09/16 at 14:33:40
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Well, TN?
Which line?
  
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Reply #12 - 06/07/16 at 14:21:01
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Wow. Quite the claim there re: Ng5 and a small edge. Assuming the software is powered up. Specifics...?
  
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Re: Best Italian Repertoire Book?
Reply #11 - 06/07/16 at 07:57:39
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Probably Saric's Italian video series for Chess24, since he's the only one I know of who recommends the optimal move order 3...Bc5 4.0-0! Nf6 5.d3, to be able to meet 5...0-0 with 6.Nbd2/6.Re1 (making ...d5 a lot less effective). That's not an option you have in 4.c3 Nf6 5.0-0 0-0, as 6.Bg5 is well met by 6...h6 7.Bh4 Be7! 8.Nbd2 d6 with equality.

However, Saric recommends meeting 3...Nf6 with 4.d3 to stay consistent with his 3...Bc5 White repertoire, whereas you can find a small edge with 4.Ng5 if you work on the lines enough with the computer.

By the way, I haven't found any heavy analysis on the modern 3...Bc5 4.0-0 Nf6 5.d3 d6 6.c3 a6 7.a4! yet, but I think it's as good a try for an edge as entering the Spanish main lines.
  

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Re: Best Italian Repertoire Book?
Reply #10 - 06/06/16 at 21:12:58
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Many thanks Fllg, this is very useful. I see Black's idea! Meanwhile it seems I should look at Saric's video as well as Emms' book ...

In the delayed-c3 line, maybe 6 Nbd2!? inhibits 6 ...d5 as well? At any rate I think 7 ed Nd5 8 Ne4 Be7 9 Re1 (Giri-Bacrot) has been given as a slight(?) edge to White.
  
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Re: Best Italian Repertoire Book?
Reply #9 - 06/06/16 at 20:29:13
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Black is fine after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3 0-0 6.0-0 d5, one reason being the line 7.exd5 Nxd5 8.b4 Be7! 9.b5 Na5 10.Bxd5 Qxd5 11.c4 Qd7 12.Bd2 e4 13.Bxa5 exf3 14.Qxf3 a6! with good compensation for Black. Of course White has other possibilities here which may be more challenging.

Saric sidesteps the problem by suggesting the move order 4.0-0 Nf6 5.d3 0-0 6.h3!?, postponing the move c2-c3 a bit. Of course he also looks at other options for Black on move 5.

I would advise against Lane´s old book since that is clearly outdated by now. Buy Emms if you want to learn the basics of the Italian Game with c3 & d3.
  
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Re: Best Italian Repertoire Book?
Reply #8 - 06/06/16 at 12:54:09
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Emms' book is very good but it should be noted that it's clearly dated regarding the coverage of 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d3 0-0!? with Black intending to push ...d7-d5 quickly.


Very interesting! I always assumed this was better for White -- am I out of date, or just wrong? Can anyone summarise briefly the main modern battlegrounds? -- does Saric's video cover these well? (I've often thought of acquiring Gary Lane's book on the Bishop's Opening, but perhaps that's out of date now? ...)
  
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Re: Best Italian Repertoire Book?
Reply #7 - 06/04/16 at 04:53:52
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Bibs wrote on 06/04/16 at 01:24:20:
Tiv's DVD - also well worth a visit. True, his delivery is not too smooth, but he is always organized and thorough. I go there to learn chess, not to find a life partner.


Yes, Tiviakov is a bit dry, has a stilted accent, if you come from a English-speaking as first language world. But he is very thorough. Also his DVDs has a collection of games in a CBV database to start you off.
I enjoyed his presentation better than Viorel Bologan or Karsten Muller or Alexei Shirov, amongst the non-english speaking presenters.
PS this is an opinion from watching his c3 Sicilian and Black repertoire DVD, not the Italian c3 d3 DVD.
  

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Re: Best Italian Repertoire Book?
Reply #6 - 06/04/16 at 01:24:20
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Emms' book is very good. In fact he is always reliable. A good author.
Tiv's DVD - also well worth a visit. True, his delivery is not too smooth, but he is always organized and thorough. I go there to learn chess, not to find a life partner.
  
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