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Reply #15 - 10/06/17 at 22:40:47
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The c3 Sicilian lines with dxc5, although these tend to be sharper than the standard Exchange Spanish and whatnot.
  
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Reply #13 - 10/04/17 at 17:31:46
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The recent book 'play ...d6 against everything' invites the endgames arising from the Philidor and Old Indian.
  
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Reply #12 - 10/04/17 at 15:43:38
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AlienOctopus wrote on 06/06/16 at 02:21:18:
are there any modern day high level players whose games I should study?


Not quite modern day, but Wojtkiewicz was a great exponent of the queenless middlegame.
  
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Reply #11 - 10/04/17 at 10:36:23
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kylemeister wrote on 06/06/16 at 03:23:44:
I would also think of a book from about five years ago, Grandmaster Chess Strategy: What Amateurs Can Learn from Ulf Andersson's Positional Masterpieces.

Thanks for the tip. They succeeded quite wel in the "for amateurs" part. It doesn't feel dumbed down, yet I can follow most of the comments and variations. (If I want comments and variations that feel either dumbed down or above my level, there are enough other books). I've only played over a couple of random games, but it seems like this will be one of the middlegame books/endgame books/collections I'll actually read.
  
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Reply #10 - 06/06/16 at 21:03:43
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dfan wrote on 06/06/16 at 20:09:04:
ErictheRed wrote on 06/06/16 at 17:11:32:
I just want to say that I really love Mednis's work in general, and while dated, that book of his is pretty good for what it's trying to accomplish.

I agree. Mednis really seemed ahead of his time, in that books that he wrote in the 1970s and 80s feel like they wouldn't be all that out of place today. A lot of books from that era feel much more dated. I've picked up pretty much whatever I've seen with his name on it and haven't gone wrong yet.

I like "Practical Opening Tips" very much.
  
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ErictheRed wrote on 06/06/16 at 17:11:32:
I just want to say that I really love Mednis's work in general, and while dated, that book of his is pretty good for what it's trying to accomplish.

I agree. Mednis really seemed ahead of his time, in that books that he wrote in the 1970s and 80s feel like they wouldn't be all that out of place today. A lot of books from that era feel much more dated. I've picked up pretty much whatever I've seen with his name on it and haven't gone wrong yet.
  
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I just want to say that I really love Mednis's work in general, and while dated, that book of his is pretty good for what it's trying to accomplish.
  
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Reply #7 - 06/06/16 at 15:56:50
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Just to mention, I tend to think of 7. dc in the QGA as "Spassky's."  E.g. he played it a few times in the '92 match against Fischer, and Ian Rogers did a Yearbook article on it at the time.
  
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Reply #6 - 06/06/16 at 12:01:04
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ReneDescartes wrote on 06/06/16 at 11:28:48:
I would add to Mednis' list Kramnik' QGA with dxc5, covered in Korneev's A Practical Chess Opening Repertoire for White, Vol. 1.

Also played by Wojtkiewicz in "Wojo's Weapons Volume 1".
  
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Reply #5 - 06/06/16 at 11:28:48
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The Mednis book is great. He had the right approach I think. You can't really force queens off the board, but can play so you get that a lot of the time. I would add to Mednis' list Kramnik's QGA with dxc5, covered in Korneev's A Practical Chess Opening Repertoire for White, Vol. 1.

Maybe also look at Tal-Botvinnik II (1961), where Botvinnik didn't exactly force off queens, but induced Tal to pay a high price to keep them on, then acted aggressively when Tal paid that price. More for middlegame strategy than opening.
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Reply #4 - 06/06/16 at 07:49:38
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In "How to Build Your Chess Opening Repertoire" by Steve Giddins there is a paragraph about queenless middlegames. It mentions the King's Indian Exchange Variation, the main-line Queen's Indian with 7...Ne4 8.Nxe4 Bxe4 9.Ne1 Bxg2 10.Nxg2, the Anti-Grunfeld with ...Nxc3 dxc3. Ulf Andersson is definitely the player you want to look at!
  
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Reply #3 - 06/06/16 at 03:34:50
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As part of a Universal d6 repertoire for Black:


Neo-Old Indian 1. d4 d6 2. c4 e5 3. de
Neo-Philidor     1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 e5 4. de

Covered by:

A Universal Weapon 1.d4 d6 - Barsky

The Modern Philidor Defence - Barksy

A Cunning Chess Opening for Black
Lure Your Opponent into the Philidor Swamp!
by Sergey Kasparov

Other books cover d6 too, although using a Normal Pirc (Explosive Repertoire) or a Czech Pirc (d6 Move by Move)


  

Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, stuck in the middlegame with you
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Reply #2 - 06/06/16 at 03:23:44
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A couple of old threads along those lines:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1177102028
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1154137596

I would also think of a book from about five years ago, Grandmaster Chess Strategy: What Amateurs Can Learn from Ulf Andersson's Positional Masterpieces.
  
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Re: Building a queenless middlegame repertoire.
Reply #1 - 06/06/16 at 03:23:43
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From the Opening into the Endgame by Edmar Mednis examines a variety of queenless middlegame positions arising from specific openings, although it does not give a complete repertoire. The variations covered are:
Exchange Ruy 5...f6
Dragon with 9.g4 with Nd5 at some point
Accelerated Dragon (Qa5 Na4 line)
French Tarrasch 3...c5 with a quick Qe2+
Classical Pirc 6...Bg4 soon followed by ...e5 dxe5
Modern with dxe5
King's Indian Exchange
Grunfeld Exchange 7.Nf3 8.Be3
Queen's Indian
English (The Ulf Andersson Line with Double Fianchetto)
Anti-Grunfeld e4 Nxc3 dxc3 Qxd1+ line

I can also personally recommend the 4.dxe5 Philidor as I have played it with some success.
  
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Building a queenless middlegame repertoire.
06/06/16 at 02:21:18
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I play significantly better with queens off the board. I have no idea why nor did I ever set out to be good at queenless positions, it's just happened naturally. Last Monday I even beat someone 113 points higher than me by doing this as White 1.e4 d5 2.d3!? and now the game continued as I'd hoped, dxe4 3.dxe4 Qxd1+.

What are some other opening lines that are likely to lead to an early queen exchange? And who are the other players who like to play without queens, are there any modern day high level players whose games I should study?
  
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