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Reply #47 - 08/10/18 at 17:38:30
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Stigma wrote on 08/10/18 at 16:03:02:
Glenn Snow wrote on 08/10/18 at 05:40:35:
For something different against the Yugoslav, check out Panjwani's own system given in his The Hyper Accelerated Dragon.

It's interesting and different allright. But you can't reach Panjwani's system from a regular Dragon move order. If I recall correctly, that d-pawn can stay on d7 for several moves (or jump straight to d5 at an opportune moment).


Absolutely correct, this option is only available to those who play the Accelerated version.
  
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Re: Sicilian Dragon: Move by Move
Reply #46 - 08/10/18 at 16:03:02
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Glenn Snow wrote on 08/10/18 at 05:40:35:
For something different against the Yugoslav, check out Panjwani's own system given in his The Hyper Accelerated Dragon.

It's interesting and different allright. But you can't reach Panjwani's system from a regular Dragon move order. If I recall correctly, that d-pawn can stay on d7 for several moves (or jump straight to d5 at an opportune moment).
  

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Reply #45 - 08/10/18 at 11:28:49
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RoleyPoley wrote on 08/10/18 at 11:10:12:
TD wrote on 08/09/18 at 19:15:17:
Seeley wrote on 07/27/16 at 22:17:29:
TD wrote on 07/27/16 at 22:02:19:
AJZ wrote on 07/27/16 at 20:14:22:
First notice: bibliography - no recent books by Jones or Negi included

Very strange indeed. And there seem to be no games after 2014.

Perhaps the book was written some time ago but the publishers preferred to delay publication so as to avoid a clash or near-clash with the publication date of Jones's two-volume work. I realise the intended audience is different but, even so, perhaps they felt buyers would be more likely to choose one or the other work if both came out at the same time, and more likely to buy both if there was a time interval between them. This would explain both the omission from the bibliography of the titles mentioned above, and also the absence of games from later than 2014.

I had contact with Carsten Hansen and he told me that he handed in the manuscript more than a year and a half before it was published. Jones’s books came out just as the editing was being completed.

Hansen will be putting out new Dragon books next year, digging into the theory a lot deeper than he was able to do in the move by move book. Great news!

Excellent news. Do you know which publisher he will be delivering these through?

No.
  
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Re: Sicilian Dragon: Move by Move
Reply #44 - 08/10/18 at 11:10:12
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TD wrote on 08/09/18 at 19:15:17:
Seeley wrote on 07/27/16 at 22:17:29:
TD wrote on 07/27/16 at 22:02:19:
AJZ wrote on 07/27/16 at 20:14:22:
First notice: bibliography - no recent books by Jones or Negi included

Very strange indeed. And there seem to be no games after 2014.

Perhaps the book was written some time ago but the publishers preferred to delay publication so as to avoid a clash or near-clash with the publication date of Jones's two-volume work. I realise the intended audience is different but, even so, perhaps they felt buyers would be more likely to choose one or the other work if both came out at the same time, and more likely to buy both if there was a time interval between them. This would explain both the omission from the bibliography of the titles mentioned above, and also the absence of games from later than 2014.

I had contact with Carsten Hansen and he told me that he handed in the manuscript more than a year and a half before it was published. Jones’s books came out just as the editing was being completed.

Hansen will be putting out new Dragon books next year, digging into the theory a lot deeper than he was able to do in the move by move book. Great news!

Excellent news. Do you know which publisher he will be delivering these through?
  

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Reply #43 - 08/10/18 at 05:40:35
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For something different against the Yugoslav, check out Panjwani's own system given in his The Hyper Accelerated Dragon.
  
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Reply #42 - 08/09/18 at 19:15:17
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Seeley wrote on 07/27/16 at 22:17:29:
TD wrote on 07/27/16 at 22:02:19:
AJZ wrote on 07/27/16 at 20:14:22:
First notice: bibliography - no recent books by Jones or Negi included

Very strange indeed. And there seem to be no games after 2014.

Perhaps the book was written some time ago but the publishers preferred to delay publication so as to avoid a clash or near-clash with the publication date of Jones's two-volume work. I realise the intended audience is different but, even so, perhaps they felt buyers would be more likely to choose one or the other work if both came out at the same time, and more likely to buy both if there was a time interval between them. This would explain both the omission from the bibliography of the titles mentioned above, and also the absence of games from later than 2014.

I had contact with Carsten Hansen and he told me that he handed in the manuscript more than a year and a half before it was published. Jones’s books came out just as the editing was being completed.

Hansen will be putting out new Dragon books next year, digging into the theory a lot deeper than he was able to do in the move by move book. Great news!
  
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Reply #41 - 08/19/16 at 22:00:55
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Thanks.
  

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Reply #40 - 08/19/16 at 15:17:17
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MNb wrote on 08/14/16 at 18:03:15:
So 6.Nb3 Nf6 7.Be2 O-O 8.O-O d6 9.Bg5, 9.Re1 and 9.Kh1 remain.


On either 9.Re1, 9.Bg5 or 9.Kh1 "Jones" suggests Be6. On 9.Kh1 a6 10.a4 "move by move" move gives you 10...b6!? and 10...Be6 11.f4 Bxb3!?. I don't have "Dearing" with me cuz I'm on a trip. But Dearing probably covers 9.Bg5 a6, and different others.
I guess that in the long run you wanted to get them all.
  
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Reply #39 - 08/18/16 at 16:56:07
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Don't worry too much about spelling. If it's really bad I correct it for you.
Don't worry about my purchasing habits either. In time I'll decide to buy Jones (at first sight that one looks addressing my needs best) or Dearing.
I have one question left. Would playing 9.Kh1 a6 a good idea as well or is a plan with leaving the bishop on c1 more dangerous? Especially 10.a4 Be6 11.f4 ?
Again it would be nice to learn what Move by Move says about 10.Kh1. Light coverage as well?
  

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Reply #38 - 08/18/16 at 09:20:08
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Sorry for bad spelling. I meant no point of buying this book for that line and no other Dragon book either but if one insists on a book I would go for first hand Jones or Dearing since Move by Move has light coverage. Note to myself "Learn to read",
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Re: Sicilian Dragon: Move by Move
Reply #37 - 08/17/16 at 04:13:48
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bragesjo wrote on 08/16/16 at 08:29:28:
There is no point of buyning a book for this line only. I would go for Jones or Dearning in this case to since Move by Move has to light coverade.

Thanks.

XChess1971 wrote on 08/16/16 at 13:46:07:
MNb in the Sicilian you have 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4. Also 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 5.c4.

I've been pretty sure since more than 20 years that 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e5 (my choice as I wrote in my previous post) is not an Accelerated Dragon, but a Kalashnikov. I only play 3...g6 if White has played Nc3.
I'd welcome 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 e6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Nf6 6.Nc3 as Black does excellently after Bb4. 4.Be2 b6 5.O-O Bb7 6.d4 cxd4 7.Nxd4 Qb8 also seems fine.
Tony Rotella recommends 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nc3 e5 4.Nf3 g6.
The Kalashnikov-Accelerated Dragon combo is waterproof.
  

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Re: Sicilian Dragon: Move by Move
Reply #36 - 08/16/16 at 16:47:49
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Surely 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 is comfortably answered by 3...e5.
  
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Re: Sicilian Dragon: Move by Move
Reply #35 - 08/16/16 at 13:47:42
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I forgot MNb also you have 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4. There is 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.c4 as well.
  
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Re: Sicilian Dragon: Move by Move
Reply #34 - 08/16/16 at 13:46:07
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MNb in the Sicilian you have 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4. Also 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 5.c4. Unless you play 4...Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 which is a different kind of Accelerated Dragon.

And it is true the thread is taking a different route. But like I posted before about the book. Unfortunately it looks to me that it is not up to date. It doesn't touch the critical lines in the Burnett. And by move by move I myself would expect detailed coverage. I do not know if I am asking too much. Last night I found out that he touches The Yugoslav Attack 9.Bc4 Bd7 10.0-0-0 Rc8 11.Bb3 Ne5 12.h4 Nc4 13.Bxc4 Rxc4 14.h5. There are no sub-variations for move 14 and even worse no mention of the critical14.g4!. One key game is Ivanchuk-Schneider.

But on the other side I like the explanations of the 10.Bb3 Nxd4. How the theory on this system is right now? I do not know. But throughout the years I have understood that you need to be faster than your opponent in the attack especially if you exchange pieces. I rather keep most of the pieces for that. I respect GM Jones on the work of the Topalov System, but it feels like if it is some kind of forced pre-ending. Compared to 10.Bb3 Nxd4 black is already on the attack. I love GM Jones solution to the Rabinovich. Time will tell correctness. Carsten Hansen's coverage of the Chinese Dragon looks interesting. But still I would analyze and research up-to-date theory to avoid surprises. Especially after he only mentions 10.Bb3. No other moves.

Also there are correspondence games that show different ideas and tests. Those are not included either. All in all. I would use the book for the ideas and as a reference book.
  
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Re: Sicilian Dragon: Move by Move
Reply #33 - 08/16/16 at 09:38:53
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I notice the topic isn't about the book anymore...
  
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