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Reply #40 - 03/23/17 at 12:23:15
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Thanks for the information. Ordered both Kornev volumes today.
  
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Reply #39 - 03/22/17 at 21:57:19
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He recommends the following:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Qd2 c6

6.Nf3 0-0 (p.250) with (7.Bh6 b5 8.Bd3 Bg4), (7.h3 Nbd7 8.Bd3 e5) and (7.a4 Nbd7 8.Be2 e5)
6.f3 b5 (p.265) with (7.g4 h5 8.g5 Nfd7 9.f4 b4!?)
6.0-0-0 b5 7.f3 Qa5 (p.276) with (8.Kb1 Nbd7)

Many thanks, C_b_T! It seems that all three answers to 4 Be3 are in reasonable health at the moment! I notice that Onischuk, among others, has played both 4 ...c6 and 4 ...a6 quite a bit recently ...
  
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Reply #38 - 03/21/17 at 17:04:34
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/21/17 at 16:53:39:
Don't have Yrjölä and Tella. Quite like Barskys 1...d6 book though


If you combine Kornev and Barsky, then you can't go 1. c4 Nf6 as per Kornev as you are in a full fat KID, and Barsky only covers 1. d4 d6.

You can get to a KID set up via e.g. 1. c4 e5 or 1. c4 d6
Explosive repertoire covers you there.
  

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Reply #37 - 03/21/17 at 16:59:49
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/21/17 at 16:53:39:
Ideally one without 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 Bg4 as a load-bearing part of the construct http://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/cheesy.gif


I've a dabbled with and ditched the Wade variation.
  

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Reply #36 - 03/21/17 at 16:53:39
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Hey.

Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/21/17 at 16:12:11:
Personally I would like to see a serious non-Nf6 KID repertoire some day. Likely a looooooong way of though.
JEH wrote on 03/21/17 at 16:16:57:
Add "A Universal Weapon 1.D4 D6 by Vladimir Barsky" and Chess Stars have pretty much got you set up for it, you just need to handle the English via 1. ..e5 rather than 1. ..Nf6

Alternatively, add "Explosive Repertoire" to Kornev, and you are there too  Cool

Ideally one without 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 Bg4 as a load-bearing part of the construct Cheesy.

Don't have Yrjölä and Tella. Quite like Barskys 1...d6 book though Smiley.

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Reply #35 - 03/21/17 at 16:16:57
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/21/17 at 16:12:11:
Personally I would like to see a serious non-Nf6 KID repertoire some day


Add "A Universal Weapon 1.D4 D6 by Vladimir Barsky" and Chess Stars have pretty much got you set up for it, you just need to handle the English via 1. ..e5 rather than 1. ..Nf6

Alternatively, add "Explosive Repertoire" to Kornev, and you are there too  Cool

  

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Reply #34 - 03/21/17 at 16:12:11
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MNb wrote on 03/20/17 at 20:39:36:
Ah, Kornev gives White something to work with: the pair of bishops. It's not much, sure, but as the position might get open at some point it's a little bit more than absolutely nothing.
I would rather recommend 7...h5 8.Nh3 Nbd7 9.Ng5 Qa5 as I think it a very tough nut to crack for White, who won't get the sharp play he/she'd expect after Be3, Qd2 and f3.
Just my patzer opinion of course.

To be fair though. White also gets a misplaced rook to work with. Smiley

In my experience a decent percentage of white players are inclined not to go Nh3 as long as Bxh3 is possible, while quite a few black players (basically including me, even though I would seriously consider Bxh3 against a stronger opponent to get the game less dynamic) are not to keen on going Bxh3 when they see Nh3. Interesting strategic choice/-es anyway. Hard to say what is objectively best.

Paul Brondal wrote on 03/21/17 at 09:02:58:
Confused_by_Theory do you recommend this book? Do you have Kornev's volume II on the KID? I'm crazy about the Modern Tiger which is packed with thoroughly annotated games but it would be nice to have alternatives, especially playing a "clean" KID and also playing the Modern/Pirc several ways.

Yes. Korneev makes a good effort and the book is very nice. I don't know how to put it in another way. Still. You will need to study other lines as well. In the long term you will get problems if you don't do this and face competent opposition regularly.

Tiger's book is filled with a bit more random stuff, but I like it very much as well (Have a signed copy - "Good luck with this folly" sign. Tiger Grin). If there is a choice I need to make about which book to bring to tournaments I've brought Tiger's even over Vigus' book many times and that  says a lot because I think Vigus book is the best I've read so far and I got it as one of my earliest chess books.

Well. Korneev covers the clean KID in his other volume (Edit: which I have) so getting both is not non-sensical.
Personally I would like to see a serious non-Nf6 KID repertoire some day. Likely a looooooong way of though.

Have a nice day.
  
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Reply #33 - 03/21/17 at 09:02:58
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Confused_by_Theory do you recommend this book? Do you have Kornev's volume II on the KID? I'm crazy about the Modern Tiger which is packed with thoroughly annotated games but it would be nice to have alternatives, especially playing a "clean" KID and also playing the Modern/Pirc several ways.
  
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Reply #32 - 03/20/17 at 20:39:36
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Ah, Kornev gives White something to work with: the pair of bishops. It's not much, sure, but as the position might get open at some point it's a little bit more than absolutely nothing.
I would rather recommend 7...h5 8.Nh3 Nbd7 9.Ng5 Qa5 as I think it a very tough nut to crack for White, who won't get the sharp play he/she'd expect after Be3, Qd2 and f3.
Just my patzer opinion of course.
  

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Reply #31 - 03/20/17 at 04:04:41
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Hello.

1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Qd2 c6 6.f3 b5 7.h4

7...h5 is recommended. (8.Nh3 Bxh3) also (8.a3, 8.a4 and 8.0-0-0 get lines).

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Reply #30 - 03/19/17 at 16:33:12
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/19/17 at 05:27:38:
He recommends the following:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Qd2 c6

6.Nf3 0-0 (p.250) with (7.Bh6 b5 8.Bd3 Bg4), (7.h3 Nbd7 8.Bd3 e5) and (7.a4 Nbd7 8.Be2 e5)
6.f3 b5 (p.265) with (7.g4 h5 8.g5 Nfd7 9.f4 b4!?)
6.0-0-0 b5 7.f3 Qa5 (p.276) with (8.Kb1 Nbd7)

Have a nice day.


To get things complete - what about 6.f3 b5 7.h4 (imo most promising, but not promising more than interesting equality) ?
  

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Reply #29 - 03/19/17 at 05:27:38
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Michael Ayton wrote on 03/18/17 at 11:31:10:
What does he recommend after 5 Qd2 c6 (presumably) 6 Nf3, and after 6 f3 b5 (assuming he gives this) 7 g4? (After 6 0-0-0 I imagine Black should play 6 ...b5 7 f3 Qa5!?.)

He recommends the following:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Qd2 c6

6.Nf3 0-0 (p.250) with (7.Bh6 b5 8.Bd3 Bg4), (7.h3 Nbd7 8.Bd3 e5) and (7.a4 Nbd7 8.Be2 e5)
6.f3 b5 (p.265) with (7.g4 h5 8.g5 Nfd7 9.f4 b4!?)
6.0-0-0 b5 7.f3 Qa5 (p.276) with (8.Kb1 Nbd7)

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Reply #28 - 03/18/17 at 11:31:10
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Basically the sequence:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e6 7.Qd2! Looks to me a bit problematic.

What does he recommend after 5 Qd2 c6 (presumably) 6 Nf3, and after 6 f3 b5 (assuming he gives this) 7 g4? (After 6 0-0-0 I imagine Black should play 6 ...b5 7 f3 Qa5!?.)
  
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Reply #27 - 01/28/17 at 07:42:53
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 01/28/17 at 07:14:26:
If I would've guessed beforehand I would've guessed for 6...Bg4



I was hoping for 6. ..c6 as 6. ..Bg4 has been my main choice and I like more options, but I may well look into 6. ..e6 at  some point as it would serve the same purpose and White players are less likely to be ready for it.
  

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Reply #26 - 01/28/17 at 07:14:26
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MNb wrote on 01/27/17 at 20:34:07:
Looks to me 6...Ng4 7.Bg5 h6 is a valuable extra option for Black.

First thought for me was that 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 a6 has to have been covered somewhere in earlier litterature. Didn't bother to check though. Tongue

Other than that.
6...e6 Is what Kornev went for so I'll just mention that again for those with a three second memory.
6...Ng4, To confuse matters somewhat. Yea sure, why not.
6...e5 looks playable-ish as always.
6...Nc6 And compared to the classical variation white having played Be3 instead of castling short looks like a refinement of very marginal importance, if any.
6...Nbd7 Does not get hit with a quick e5, like in the Classical and has to be playable.
6...b6 is liked by the computer and it is unlikely white has any immediate way to trouble black.

Summa summarum is that there are options. For sure.

Have a nice day.

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JEH wrote on 01/27/17 at 20:21:41:
I agree that 6. ..e6 is the stand out odd choice vs the Be2 Karpov Classical, but it's not so much that that, but it's his reasons to dismiss 6. ..Bg4 (my best scoring Pirc line) and 6. ..c6. For the latter Kornev just gives one short line with 6. ..c6 7. a4 Nbd7 when on Marin's DVD he mentions that he found from experience that 7. ..Qc7 was better and something along the lines that classical principles like develop the Knight before the Queen don't apply to the Pirc 

If I would've guessed beforehand I would've guessed for 6...Bg4 being recommended (principled line, not so hard to learn and lots of chances to find new wrinkles because of both sides having fundamentally quite stable and option filled positions).
  
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