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Re: Pert on the Ragozin - new book from QualityChess
Reply #51 - 11/25/18 at 18:22:47
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Arnaudov wrote on 11/24/18 at 18:49:34:
MartinC wrote on 11/24/16 at 16:18:26:
Intriguing to see the 1 d4 d5  2 c4 e6 3 Nc3 Bb4 move order apparently now felt respectable enough to fit into a QC opening book.


Digging around I think I found an obscure line that is not in Pert and looks good for White. What think ye, folks more clever than I?

3...Bb4 4 Bf4 Nf6 5 Qa4+ Nc6 6 e3 0-0 7 Nf3

Huh

4...dxc4 looks fine for black, and is maybe the reason why Bf4 is much more played after first taking on d5, without this exchange the knight on g8 can go to d5
Something like 4...c5 5.e3 Nf6 6.a3 Bxc3+ 7.bxc3 O-O 8.Nf3 Qa5 9.Qc2 cxd4 looks good too, White lags in development as Bf4 doesn't help in castling kingside
But I can imagine 4...Nf6 works better repertoire-wise and there I found: 5.Qa4+ Nc6 6.e3 Ne4 7.Qc2 g5 8.Bg3 h5 9.f3 Nxg3 10.hxg3 Bd7.
Stockfish also gives the crazy suggestion of 7...e5, but I think White is better in the end: 8.dxe5 (8.Bxe5 Bf5 9.Bd3 Qg5 10.Nge2 Qxg2 11.O-O-O Bxc3 12. Nxc3 Bxd3 13.Qxd3 dxc4 14.Qxc4 Nxe5 15.dxe5 O-O) Bf5 9.Bd3 d4 10.Nf3 dxc3 11.O-O cxb2 12.Rad1 (12.Rab1 g5! 13.Nxg5 Nxg5 14.Bxf5 Ne6) Qe7 13.Bxe4 Bxe4 14.Qxe4 h6 (14...O-O 15.Qc2 Ba3 16.Ng5 g6 17.Ne4 Nxe5 18.c5) 15.Rd3 O-O 16.Rb3
  
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Re: Pert on the Ragozin - new book from QualityChess
Reply #50 - 11/24/18 at 18:49:34
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MartinC wrote on 11/24/16 at 16:18:26:
Intriguing to see the 1 d4 d5  2 c4 e6 3 Nc3 Bb4 move order apparently now felt respectable enough to fit into a QC opening book.


Digging around I think I found an obscure line that is not in Pert and looks good for White. What think ye, folks more clever than I?

3...Bb4 4 Bf4 Nf6 5 Qa4+ Nc6 6 e3 0-0 7 Nf3

Huh
  
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Reply #49 - 08/10/18 at 04:54:05
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So when introducing the Vienna via the 4...Bb4 5 Bg5 dc4 move order, RP mentions that it avoids the QGA-esque lines after 4...dc4 5 e3. However, later in the book, after 1 d4 d5 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 Nf6 4 e3, he gives 4...a6 5 Nc3 and now 5...dc4, which, as far as I can tell, transposes into the 5 e3 Vienna. Not that this is a theoretical problem for Black, but, for example, the move 6 a4 is not mentioned.

Incidentally, after flipping through that part of the book earlier today, my game tonight went down exactly that path  Tongue I got an excellent position from the opening but made some bizarre decisions and ended up having to be careful to hold.
  
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Reply #48 - 05/09/18 at 23:41:51
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Fllg wrote on 02/05/18 at 05:30:13:
you need a second weapon if White starts with 1.Nf3 or 1.c4.


I've played 1. ..b6 from time to time with the idea of entering Hedgehog lines. 1. .. Nf6 and 2. .. b6 is also possible but has a greater chance of entering normal Queens Indian variations. Delaying .. Nf6 has the possible advantage in flexibility in being still able to adopt Dutch or Hippo structures, depending on White's response.

I did recently reach a position I had never seen before at move 2. The game started 1. c4 b6 2. b4 .
  
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Reply #47 - 05/09/18 at 23:05:10
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Against the catalan if want too can play the 4..Be7,  5...0.0, 6...pxp lines which is move-order proof. It's probably the most reliable line of the lot, but a little drawish.
  
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Reply #46 - 02/06/18 at 08:42:57
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Fllg wrote on 02/05/18 at 05:30:13:
My main problem is that White can avoid it by holding back d2-d4 which means you need a second weapon if White starts with 1.Nf3 or 1.c4.


I think when we play our main weapon against 1.d4 vesus 1.Nf3 / 1.c4 we are entering in HIS territory. 1.Nf3, for example, works very well against Queens Gambit lines, against QGA lines, against Dutch sometimes, there are lots of interesting anti-Grunfelds, etc...

My advice is to give to 1.Nf3 and 1.c4 the credit they deserve as a primary main lines openings and work a little against them. For example, study some 1.c4 e5 or 1.Nf3 c5 or whatever suits your style and options against 1.d4. But as a 1.Nf3 player myself I am always happy to see QGA lines against my non-d4 structures.

The only difference, I think, is the Kings Indian, that works pretty well against every non-1.e4 opening by White.
  
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Reply #45 - 02/05/18 at 05:30:13
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I think it is good if you are happy to play Stonewall structures.

My main problem is that White can avoid it by holding back d2-d4 which means you need a second weapon if White starts with 1.Nf3 or 1.c4.
  
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Re: Pert on the Ragozin - new book from QualityChess
Reply #44 - 02/05/18 at 00:49:35
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I am not really a Ragozin player, but I have this book. How does those that have the book find the quirky yet interesting 5...Ad6 line in the Catalan?
  
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Reply #43 - 02/04/18 at 06:02:40
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It's covered via the move order 5 Qa4+ Nc6 6 Bg5 dxc4
  
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Reply #42 - 02/04/18 at 01:53:37
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Somehow I missed or am book-blind to Pert's recommendation for Black after:

1 d4 d5 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 Nf6 4 Nc3 Bb4 5 Bg5 dxc4 6 Qa4+

I have tried to work with what he said re 5 Qa4+ but the center formation is altered enough with the pawn capture that I need some help.

Thanks.
  
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Reply #41 - 08/29/17 at 07:25:25
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Commenting on the QC blog probably wouldn't be a bad way to do that.
  
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Reply #40 - 08/29/17 at 01:47:44
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Was there a way to send Errors to QC somewhere?

On pg.101, Pert states that Gustafsson "only considers 13.Bc4:" in the line 5.Bg5 dc4: 6.e4 c5 7.dc5: Qd1:+ 8.Rd1: Nbd7 (not Pert's recommendation) 9.Bd2 Bc3: 10.Bc3: Ne4: 11.Bg7: Rg8 12.Bd4 Ndc5: 13.Ne5(!), but Gustafsson doesn't get there at all, playing 12. ..Nec5: instead - after which indeed 13.Bc4: looks like the only sensible move
  
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Re: Pert on the Ragozin - new book from QualityChess
Reply #39 - 08/23/17 at 09:21:57
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BadDays wrote on 08/21/17 at 19:37:37:
It has to be said that Cornette's book is formatted just awfully and can be a real pain to read. Also, Pert includes decent lines against the Catalan and some other early deviations on the way to the Ragozin. On the other hand, Cornette's analysis is extremely thorough.

In summary, Pert's book is the better produced of the two, although I personally like many of Cornette's recommendations more. Buy both Cheesy


This hits the nail. I fully agree.
  
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Reply #38 - 08/23/17 at 03:55:58
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BobbyDigital80 wrote on 08/22/17 at 23:03:00:
What Nimzo line does Cornette recommend transposing to if White plays 5.e3?


His main line runs 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.e3 0-0 6.Bd3 dxc4!? 7.Bxc4 c5 8.0-0 Nc6 9.a3 Ba5!? It's an interesting line that I hadn't actually considered before reading his book.

For what it's worth, Pert analyzes 6...b6 7.0-0 Ba6!?, and Roiz analyzes the Karpov System in his recent book on the Nimzo. There are so many good systems for black in the 4.e3 Nimzo that it's really a matter of taste.

By the way, if anybody can show me how to embed .PGNs that would be a huge help to me.
  
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Reply #37 - 08/22/17 at 23:03:00
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What Nimzo line does Cornette recommend transposing to if White plays 5.e3?
  
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