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Re: Is "The solid Scandinavian" really solid?
Reply #12 - 02/17/17 at 19:10:53
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kylemeister wrote on 02/15/17 at 21:20:25:
buddho wrote on 02/15/17 at 20:16:28:
How about something like

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd8 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. Nf3 e6 6. d4 Be7 7. O-O O-O 8.
Re1 c5 9. d5 b5 and if 10. Bxb5 exd5 with equality  Grin



Offhand I was inclined to prefer 8. Qe2.  Incidentally that was given by Fine in his 1940s opening book as better for White, citing a game Alekhine-Schlechter.


After 8.Qe2 we have


1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd8 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. Nf3 e6 6. d4 Be7 7. O-O O-O 8.
Qe2 a6 9. a4 b6 10. Bg5 Nc6!? (10... Bb7 11. Rad1 Nbd7 12. Rfe1 h6) 11. Bxf6 (
11. Rfd1 Nd5) 11... Bxf6 12. Rad1 Bb7 13. Ne4 Nb4 14. Ne5 Nd5

Still seems pretty "solid" as per the Op's question.



  
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Re: Is "The solid Scandinavian" really solid?
Reply #11 - 02/15/17 at 21:20:25
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buddho wrote on 02/15/17 at 20:16:28:
How about something like

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd8 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. Nf3 e6 6. d4 Be7 7. O-O O-O 8.
Re1 c5 9. d5 b5 and if 10. Bxb5 exd5 with equality  Grin



Offhand I was inclined to prefer 8. Qe2.  Incidentally that was given by Fine in his 1940s opening book as better for White, citing a game Alekhine-Schlechter.
  
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Re: Is "The solid Scandinavian" really solid?
Reply #10 - 02/15/17 at 20:16:28
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How about something like

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd8 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. Nf3 e6 6. d4 Be7 7. O-O O-O 8.
Re1 c5 9. d5 b5 and if 10. Bxb5 exd5 with equality  Grin

  
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Re: Is "The solid Scandinavian" really solid?
Reply #9 - 12/30/16 at 02:53:04
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I know it's hard to cover everything in an hour, but judging from the contents, it seems 4 d4 Nf6 5 Bc4 and 5 Bg5 are missing entirely...
  
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Re: Is "The solid Scandinavian" really solid?
Reply #8 - 12/29/16 at 16:13:25
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Keano wrote on 12/29/16 at 12:40:28:
Should we be surprised that White has various dangerous options after 3...Qd8?

Bring it on! Wink
  
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Re: Is "The solid Scandinavian" really solid?
Reply #7 - 12/29/16 at 12:40:28
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Should we be surprised that White has various dangerous options after 3...Qd8?
  
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Re: Is "The solid Scandinavian" really solid?
Reply #6 - 12/28/16 at 18:34:23
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I guess Nc6 and Bg4 arguing that Black's a6 is more useful than White's a4.
  
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Re: Is "The solid Scandinavian" really solid?
Reply #5 - 12/28/16 at 17:51:27
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AlanG wrote on 12/28/16 at 16:45:51:
Maybe 5...a6 is possible now, intending b5 and Bb7.


After 6 a4 Black needs another setup
  
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Re: Is "The solid Scandinavian" really solid?
Reply #4 - 12/28/16 at 16:45:51
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Maybe 5...a6 is possible now, intending b5 and Bb7.
  
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Re: Is "The solid Scandinavian" really solid?
Reply #3 - 12/28/16 at 16:13:49
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alyechin wrote on 12/28/16 at 14:04:37:
IM Andrew Martin published a new 60-minutes-DVD about "The solid Scandinavian", suggesting 1 e4 d5 2 exd5 Qxd5 3 Nc3 Qd8 4 d4 Nf6 5 Nf3 Bg4, exchanging bishop against knight.

If White plays 1 e4 d5 2 exd5 Qxd5 3 Nc3 Qd8 4 Nf3...

4... Bg4? 5 Ne5 and Black is in all sorts of trouble.

If 4...Bg4 isn't possible, how develop the light squared bishop? If 4...Bf5 the bishop will be a target for a white pawn attack.

What can Black do? Play in Caro-Kann-style with 4...c6? In my opinion this is a very passive Caro-Kann. The real name of Martin's DVD should be: "The passive Scandinavian".


Surely it's White who's in all sorts of trouble after 5...Bxd1

You are right, because I missed one move:

1 e4 d5 2 exd5 Qxd5 3 Nc3 Qd8 4 Bc4 Nf6 5 Nf3 Bg4? 6 Ne5!
  
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Re: Is "The solid Scandinavian" really solid?
Reply #2 - 12/28/16 at 14:41:18
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If your idea is to get the Caro Kann structure and exchanging the bishop most of the time for a knight to get a solid and with not much theory but with a small advantage for White, there is the Fort Knox variation of the French.
  
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Re: Is "The solid Scandinavian" really solid?
Reply #1 - 12/28/16 at 14:22:44
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alyechin wrote on 12/28/16 at 14:04:37:
If White plays 1 e4 d5 2 exd5 Qxd5 3 Nc3 Qd8 4 Nf3...

4... Bg4? 5 Ne5 and Black is in all sorts of trouble.

Surely it's White who's in all sorts of trouble after 5...Bxd1
  
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Is "The solid Scandinavian" really solid?
12/28/16 at 14:04:37
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IM Andrew Martin published a new 60-minutes-DVD about "The solid Scandinavian", suggesting 1 e4 d5 2 exd5 Qxd5 3 Nc3 Qd8 4 d4 Nf6 5 Nf3 Bg4, exchanging bishop against knight.

If White plays 1 e4 d5 2 exd5 Qxd5 3 Nc3 Qd8 4 Nf3...

4... Bg4? 5 Ne5 and Black is in all sorts of trouble.

If 4...Bg4 isn't possible, how develop the light squared bishop? If 4...Bf5 the bishop will be a target for a white pawn attack.

What can Black do? Play in Caro-Kann-style with 4...c6? In my opinion this is a very passive Caro-Kann. The real name of Martin's DVD should be: "The passive Scandinavian".
  
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