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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #22 - 10/19/17 at 08:26:26
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After 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Bb4+ 5. c3 dxc3 I prfer 6. O-O, rather than 6. bxc3 Ba5 7.O-O Bb6, because after 6... cxb2 7. Bxb2 Nf6 8. Ng5 O-O 9. e5 d5 I think Black is under pressure after 10. exf6 dxc4 11. Qh5 h6 12. Ne4. Maybe it's playable but I wouldn't like to enter this line deliberately.

Concerning 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. e5 Ng4 6. O-O I don'tlike 6...Bc5 because after 7. Bf4 O-O 8. h3
Nh6 9. Bxh6 gxh6 10. c3 White has the better prospects as Sam Collins points in his book "A Simple Chess Opening Repertoire for White"
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #21 - 10/17/17 at 22:45:07
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You are right, I missed that  Embarrassed

The author agrees with MNb that 6.bc3: is the most promising continuation, with compensation, but Black is also not without chances after 6. ... Ba5 7.0-0 Bb6!

Did I also miss the other line I quoted?

Somehow I find it hard to navigate the book without a variation index (I have the Kindle version).
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #20 - 10/17/17 at 19:39:00
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PatzerNoster wrote on 10/10/17 at 23:48:29:
I have the book and like it, but it seems the author misses two (more or less) important lines:

  • 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed4: 4.Bc4 Bb4+ I don't understand how he couldn't include this variation, since a gambit should be tested by its acceptance, and this seems one of the most logical ways to do that.
  • 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed4: 4.Bc4 Nf6 5.e5 Ng4 6.0-0 Bc5 is a logical move in that position that was played a couple of 100 times


Does somebody know other sources I could consult on that?

Apart from these omissions I think it is a good and honest book!


It's in the book! Chapter 2, Game 10 for 4...Bb4+
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #19 - 10/11/17 at 08:13:37
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kylemeister wrote on 10/11/17 at 00:46:30:
weak due to 5. c3 dc 6. 0-0.

Black can always reach a positipn in which he/she has three pawns for a knight; two of them dominate the centre, eg cxb2 7.Bxb2 Nf6 8.Ng5 O-O 9.e5 d5.
8.bxc3 is the road to a white advantage;  This is basically an improved Evans Gambit (no black pawn on d4).
It's a shame that the book doesn't contain this line.
  

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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #18 - 10/11/17 at 00:46:30
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Regarding 4...Bb4+ (maybe a common choice at lower levels?), I don't recall what e.g. Danish Dynamite had to say about it, but I know that it used to be considered weak due to 5. c3 dc 6. 0-0. (Of White's last, I have a recollection of Bernard Zuckerman writing something like "this ancient move leaves the bishop looking silly, pinning the ghost of White's knight," and I think the Encyclopedia of Chess Openings gave it as leading to a clear advantage for White.)
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #17 - 10/10/17 at 23:48:29
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I have the book and like it, but it seems the author misses two (more or less) important lines:

  • 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed4: 4.Bc4 Bb4+ I don't understand how he couldn't include this variation, since a gambit should be tested by its acceptance, and this seems one of the most logical ways to do that.
  • 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed4: 4.Bc4 Nf6 5.e5 Ng4 6.0-0 Bc5 is a logical move in that position that was played a couple of 100 times


Does somebody know other sources I could consult on that?

Apart from these omissions I think it is a good and honest book!
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #16 - 08/21/17 at 16:34:47
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Think I've said it before, but bizarrely there is some great explanation of the opening by Sveshnikov in his book on the Advance French  Smiley
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #15 - 08/21/17 at 07:46:00
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The Scotch Gambit was covered briefly in an article in '50 Moves Magazine' about one and a half years ago. It was called 'Attacking Openings for White' if I recall correctly.

  

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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #14 - 08/21/17 at 05:06:55
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bobbyh64 wrote on 08/18/17 at 22:12:26:
That Scotch Gambit book by Fishbein does indeed look very interesting! I'm getting kind of sick of playing the Ruy Lopez. I think I might start playing this Scotch Gambit line. I did play it several times years ago but my only reference was the Alburt/Dzindzi book Chess Openings For White, Explained, which I wasn't impressed with. But this new book looks like it might be very good!


I'm looking forward to this book too, as I have a kinda nostalgic soft spot for the Scotch Gambit. Perhaps this Opening from my dim and distant youth could be a viable surprise weapon once again.

David Smerdon of Smerdon Scandinavian fame could perhaps make The Scotch Gambit the topic of a second book, as this was his main weapon for many, many years. It still amazes me that Smerdon managed to attain a GM Title using lets say very suspicious Opening Lines  such as The Milner Barry Gambit, Scandinavian Gambit, Scotch Gambit etc. reminds me a lot of Ginger GM (Simon Williams) in that way, but I digress.

Fishbein mentions Bologan, Collins, Lokander and Ntirlis in the forward of his book and thanks them for providing good reference points for further analysis or something to that effect,  but it smacks more of a backhanded compliment to me. He also suggests that a recent development casts doubt on the recommendation given in Ntirlis' Book, and this really has my curiosity piqued as this is a line I play as Black and have full confidence in.

Having said all that I'm still secretly rooting for Fishbein, and hope that his findings prove much more compelling than Dzinzi's many many many iterations on this Gambit.

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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #13 - 08/18/17 at 22:12:26
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That Scotch Gambit book by Fishbein does indeed look very interesting! I'm getting kind of sick of playing the Ruy Lopez. I think I might start playing this Scotch Gambit line. I did play it several times years ago but my only reference was the Alburt/Dzindzi book Chess Openings For White, Explained, which I wasn't impressed with. But this new book looks like it might be very good!
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #12 - 08/15/17 at 18:33:39
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grandpatzer wrote on 08/11/17 at 08:17:19:
The Scotch Gambit by GM Alex Fishbein (Russell Enterprises) is going to be published very soon - if I am not wrong - , which makes me very happy. There is a PDF preview on Amazon, and it looks good to me. Smiley


This does look very very interesting.
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #11 - 08/12/17 at 22:37:11
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Tauromachie wrote on 08/11/17 at 15:54:04:
I wonder what he intends to recommend against 4.Bc5 5.0-0 d6!?  Huh

The "gambit" continuation with Qb3 and Bxf7 is not considered to be dangerous for black at all..

btw, does anyone know what the so called Von der Lasa variation is exactly ? Never heard about that one before..




As far as I can see Von der Lasa is exactly the line you mention above. Bologan calls it "Berlin Gambit".
Fishbein follows Sali - Strugnell (Baku ol 2016) with 11.Kg2 which was played after Bologan was published and therefore the move is not mentioned there. Fishbein tries to improve this game won by Black at move 12 and also gives an alternative for White at move 10. (Kh1).

I'm not sure however, this will alter the evaluation of the line. Still, Black seems to be fine, although it's quite complicated.
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #10 - 08/11/17 at 18:15:47
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RoleyPoley wrote on 08/11/17 at 13:27:43:
Does Collins talk about this line via transposition in his simple repertoire book?


Yes.
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #9 - 08/11/17 at 16:38:33
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Tauromachie wrote on 08/11/17 at 15:54:04:
does anyone know what the so called Von der Lasa variation is exactly ? Never heard about that one before..

Could be 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 which von der Lasa recommended in Handbuch 1843. 
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #8 - 08/11/17 at 15:54:04
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I wonder what he intends to recommend against 4.Bc5 5.0-0 d6!?  Huh

The "gambit" continuation with Qb3 and Bxf7 is not considered to be dangerous for black at all..

btw, does anyone know what the so called Von der Lasa variation is exactly ? Never heard about that one before..



  
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