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Re: Are there any drawbacks to this move order?
Reply #7 - 03/23/17 at 22:12:10
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So it looks like an early Bb4 in this line is the best after all.
  
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Re: Are there any drawbacks to this move order?
Reply #6 - 03/23/17 at 20:47:25
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I found a drawback; if play goes 1. d4 e6 2. c4 f5 3. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 d6 4. Bg2 g6, White can play 5. e4! and if instead 4...d5 White has forced a stonewall without committing his knight to f3 and can follow up with 5.Nh3 maybe bringing the knight to f4 later.
  
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Re: Are there any drawbacks to this move order?
Reply #5 - 03/14/17 at 15:40:35
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I don't see any drawbacks to entering the Christmas Tree variation through 1..e6.  And, IIRC, Moskalenko mentioned that this was doable. 

Of course, you have to deal with the usual White deviations after 1..e6, but a lot of Dutch players are perfectly fine with that. 

The more important question may be whether the Christmas Tree variation itself is any good.  Jakovenko beat Si. Williams pretty convincingly in this line at Novi Sad last year. 
  
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Re: Are there any drawbacks to this move order?
Reply #4 - 03/14/17 at 00:35:06
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Doesn't [1 d4 e6 2 Nc3 d5 3 Bf4] 3...Nf6 just transpose to the main line of the regular d4 Nc3 Bf4 Jobava System?
  
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Re: Are there any drawbacks to this move order?
Reply #3 - 03/13/17 at 23:16:20
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I am not sure but 1.d4 e6 2.Nc3 could be an issue.
The idea is 3.e4 if allowed, but against 2...d5 3.Bf4.
Against 2...f5 3.e4 or 3.Bf4
  
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Re: Are there any drawbacks to this move order?
Reply #2 - 03/13/17 at 14:27:25
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My plan is actually to play 4...b6 after Nc3 Nf3 to transpose into the English defence and only Bb4 after Qc2 cause I don't like Bb4 Qb3 lines. In the first line not sure but I guess 5...d5 restricting e4 and maybe go into a stonewall with g6 already played.
  
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Re: Are there any drawbacks to this move order?
Reply #1 - 03/13/17 at 08:42:58
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I do wonder whether something like 1.d4 e6 2.g3 f5 3.Bg2 Nf6 4.Nf3 g6 5.Nc3 might be an issue - in a number of move orders the idea of a quick Nc3 to get a quick e4 can be tricky, and with the combination of e6 and g6, I did speculate whether throwing in Bg5 in one of these variations might be an option for once.

In general, there are also h4 options, e.g. 1.d4 e6 2.c4 f5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 g6 5.h4 could be tricky, or do you plan to play 3...Bb4 or 4...Bb4 when white plays an early Nc3?
  
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Are there any drawbacks to this move order?
03/13/17 at 00:14:47
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I want to reach the Christmas tree Leningrad via 1.d4 e6 eg

1. d4 e6 2. c4 f5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. g3 g6 5. Bg2 Bg7 6. O-O O-O 7. Nc3 d6 

Are there any drawbacks to this move order (apart from the obvious transposition to the French)?
  
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